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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 03/03/2016 10:15

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/
Another invaluable website is:
www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/
If you need help in obtaining medication, this phone number is
brilliant:
024 7638 2020

Lastly, the NICE guidelines on treatment are useful:
cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!scenario

I would like to thank everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

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icklekid · 11/03/2016 07:54

iknit the body is a funny thing. I'm eating very little but as long as I keep sipping drinks thought out the day my ketones are kept low. I imagine a&e would have a big wait just to check ketones. If your dp can bring them today I would wait for that but do see if you can get an emergency doctors appointment as they should keep some each day and this definitely counts!

amysmummy any trial separation should definitely involve him moving out surely he can see that. So unsettling for Amy otherwise? Have you any family nearby (or not so nearby) you could stay with if it does get unbearable?

mrsamerican · 11/03/2016 08:46

Hi all, Just wanted to check in. It sounds like a period of bad suffering for a lot of us. I am trying to control sickness with more ondansetron as I had a really bad episode where I was choking and had a terrible panic attack where I couldn't breathe. It was awful, and my mental health nurse was like "this is ridiculous and they need to sort it". So trying cyclizine and ond. 3 times a day now and just sleeping as much as I can. It is really annoying though as GP will only give me 1 wk ondans. At a time and says I should try to stop as nearly 12 weeks. My sickness didn't stop till 18 wks with my dd so not sure what to do.

squeezed · 11/03/2016 09:26

So sorry that so many of you are having a difficult time.
amys That does sound to be even more stress ontop of what you're already going through. I agree with Ickle about you and Amy staying at home though.
iknit Poor you. Resting should help you keep more down. It might be worth taking longer off work. I'm always more sick when I've overdone it. When the vomiting is bad I've found ice pops to be the best thing, especially if they have sugar in them. Food wise, tinned fruit, toast, crisps, anything bland really.
mrsamerican Glad you've got some meds but how ridiculous that you've only got a weeks worth. I do hope it stops for you at 12 weeks though. It's so unnecessary to have to fight for the correct treatment. When I had an occupational health assessment they didn't even know that you can take medication.

With so much time on my hands now, I've taken over a number of complaints to service providers and highlighting that I'm a heavily pregnant woman. Oh the small things!

mangocoveredlamb · 11/03/2016 09:43

Hello everyone,

Can I join please. I had HG with my DD, and had grand plans to go pre-emptively to the GP before TTC etc etc.

Any way a momentary "lets just see what happens" worked rather too well. I thought I was doing okay, as I felt fine until yesterday.

I am now 6+1 and sitting at work feeling hideous. I was sick in the carpark on the way in, and I think I might be having a bit of a traumatic flashback to last time to.

I know that sounds very dramatic, but I saw my GP when I found out I was pregnant and she said no drugs til 12 weeks, I know she was wrong but I feel too ill to phone up and beg, and besides I can't do that at work anyway.

Sorry, a bit rambly and self-pitying, but I am feeling both hideous and terrified of it getting as bad as last time again.

SleepymrsE · 11/03/2016 10:25

Morning all, welcome to those just joining the thread. I hope you are able to get medications to ease the suffering early on.

Short one from me today, felt horrible yesterday with a bad headache as well as nausea. The most I did was move from bed to sofa to bed again. Spoke to the doctor who has signed me off work again next week.

Still feeling crappy this morning but promised DH that I would attempt a short walk with him & DS to the park later. Think it'll take all my energy though.

Hope everyone is having a better day today - sounds like it hasn't been good for many of us the last couple of days.

LucindaE · 11/03/2016 11:01

I have to get a train to Buckinghamshire on short notice shortly, but lovely eallison will be advising everyone and I know how you all help each other. Unfortunately, I'll be away about a week, not on a fun trip, but problems with mother's health, which gets worse as she's getting on(I'm no spring chicken myself and I'm from her second marriage). Before I go, quickly:
mangocoveredlamb Welcome. Sorry you are suffering. The GP is plain out of date or mistaken. That is what used to be said twenty years ago! If you can't see another GP do phone Pregnancy Sickness Support on 024 7628 2020 for advice on getting meds. They will have to ring you back,but they will, and have helped a lot of women on these threads to get effective meds. As you're a veteran, I expect you have kesostix and know well what is soothing in the way of liquids, ice lollies, flat coke or whatever?
amysmummy Hugs. This is awful. I so agree with others, it's outrageous that he expects YOU to move out, pregnant, getting over Hyperemesis, with a LO. Your daughter needs the security of her home too at this time.

MotherofPearl Lol about those lavender drops. OH smelt of roast pork to me. I couldn't bear it. They were very good.
IKnit Awful, sympathies, but so well put 'f**k the orange bowl'. Grin
mrsamericanI don't see why they insist on that when a lot of people stay on Ondansetron combined with other meds throughout. Again, phoning the Pregnancy Sickness number for advice on continuing on 924 7838 2020 might be a good idea.
Much sympathy to all. Good luck for all scans coming up, for Reebok Ican't and everyone and much sympathies to you all. Back in about a week.

Apologies if I've rudely overlooked anyone. Back in a week or so!

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SilkObsidian · 11/03/2016 18:40

Hi there,

I'm not pregnant but thinking of TTC DC2 soon. I had HG in my first pregnancy.

My question is, did you get HG in all your pregnancies? Did you cope better second time around? My DS starts nursery soon but I'm worried how I'll cope. On the other hand I have severe endometriosis so don't want to leave TTC too long as would really really like another baby!

Also I can't get rid of the reflux symptoms I developed with HG. I'm still on omeprazole, if I miss a dose I feel sick and vomit. Did this happen to anyone else after HG?

spandau1980 · 11/03/2016 19:50

Silk ... sorry to be bearer of bad news but my HG got worse each time. It's harder to cope with when you have other children amd the acid reflux gets worse .
You need to be prepared for it to hit you again and that it is a real struggle.

BUT
The end result is a beautiful baby.. and that can get lost in amongst all the illness but it is worth every second of illness and it does tend to clear off asap once babies born

Good luck and don't forget this great group of ppl who come on this thread it will help get you through :)

eallison88 · 11/03/2016 21:11

ickle toothpaste; have you tried mouthwash? You're not meant to brush your teeth for 15 mins post spew anyway - enamel is weakened by acid in vom so to brush them then will damage them. Mouthwash would be fine immediately afterwards. It will certainly help you to feel fresher post spew. As I've mentioned before, Aquafresh My Big Teeth Mouthwash worked amazingly for me - it got to the point that smelling the mouthwash worked to help me feel less sick! There's also a fennel toothpaste that some people find works.

iknit have you tried ice lollies/ice pops (calippo ice lollies worked for me, especially the lemon and lime - in fact, we replaced our freezer a few weeks ago, and the top drawer was full of the orange flavoured calippos!)? They might help with the fluids. I found that swallowing liquids, even small amounts, was enough to make me sick, but sucking on ice lollies released such small amounts of liquid at a time into my stomach that my stomach could cope with it. I'm sorry you're struggling so much - A&E might not be the best place on a Friday night... do you have an early pregnancy unit you can access? Otherwise out of hours might be worthwhile (though that all goes through NHS111 now) - at least that way you might be seen without having to spend ages surrounded by drunks in A&E. I had a couple of trips to out of hours and they were brill - they know seeing you there is cheaper for NHS than an admission, if nothing else!

mrsamerican your GP can take a running jump re finishing with ondansetron soon. My GPs was the same, weekly prescriptions from week 7 - 20ish, then I saw a senior doctor, and he put it on repeat prescription for me, and a prescription was 2 weeks worth. It can be so scary when you're heaving so much that you find you can't breath, much sympathy.

mango your GP is talking rot, as you know. It's so frustrating that when we are at our illest is when we need to fight people the most for the care that we need. Are you able to take your partner to the GP with you, with a copy of the NICE guidelines (linked in the 1st post) - these make it clear that meds are not to be kept til 12 weeks, and that the aim of care is to help women have as normal a life as possible. Congratulations on the pregnancy, and sorry that you're feeling so awful so soon.

sleepy did you make it to the park? How was it? Are you ok?

amysmummy I think I've missed something, but reading through what others have said, you need to be at home - your daughter needs continuity and you don't need any extra stress. I hope this doesnt exacerbate the HG at all.

silk I'm a one time only mum (at the moment - constant battle in my mind, but I've got a bit of time, little boy only 23 weeks) so can't offer advice re subsequent pregnancies. Anecdotally HG happens with subsequent pregnancies and can be worse. However, I have spoken to a couple of women not on this board who haven't had HG a second time - I think the women who end up here are the ones who suffer, those who don't have it second/third/etc time, don't end up back here to tell us about it. I'd suggest having an appointment with a sympathetic GP (esp. if your practice has one with a specialism in womens health etc) and getting a care plan in place. That way you won't have to fight for care when you need it most, rather can refer to the careplan on your notes. That's what I will do if I can convince myself to go through it all again!

icklekid · 12/03/2016 07:15

Thanks eallison will get some mouthwash

silk this is my second pregnancy and whilst I had some sickness with my first this is much worse. A friend from antenatal board had it much worse with her first than any others so not sure it's possible to say.

mango hope you can get to see a different gp very frustrating and the first 12 weeks can be the worst. Unless they are willing to sign you off I don't see how you can cope. Even then without medication I would be severely dehydrated which is dangerous for baby!

sleepy a trip to the park is about all I can manage at the moment. I normally have to sit down when I get there too!

Hoping to have a relaxing weekend in preparation for going back to work on mon. Am terrified despite it only being 4hours! 1

mrsmonkey14 · 12/03/2016 08:37

Welcome to those just joined, sorry you're here. Echo the advice re yes you absolutely can have drugs in first trimester (see NICE guidelines) and can't rem who is only getting Ondansetron weekly but that's stupid. I suspect it is due to the cost? (I guess some ppl will get a bit better as preg progresses and not need to keep taking it?). I feel fortunate that mine is prescribed by consultant so haven't had to argue with GP, only seeing/speaking to GP now re fit to work certificates. Seems like quite a postcode lottery. Def try to get to early preg unit if you can - depending on area, some you can self refer and some you need GP referral, the hospital website should say.

Re teeth dentist told me to rinse mouth with water after being sick and then not brush for half an hour.

To answer your question silk I'm afraid I'm another that has had it worse in second pregnancy BUT I agree that if I didn't, I wouldn't be on this thread! So you'll get skewed answers. I don't know if I had HG in first pregnancy. It certainly wasn't diagnosed. Perhaps it was only 'severe sickness', but i went from pregnancy sickness to acid reflux vomiting around 18 wk I think, which continued until I gave birth. Was only medicated for acid reflux last time. This time I think it's been worse as harder to rest with toddler to look after (although I have childcare 4 days due to being back at work). My sickness got much worse at 11wk so I've had medication since 12wk, now 20wk and taking both ondansetron and ranitidine. Feel like it is better now, I don't vomit every day. But I still can't eat much, or I will vomit, if that makes sense. Plus exhausted so not sure how I'll be when I can't rest.

Even after last pregnancy as soon as I had DD I missed being pregnant (weirdo!) and although I suspected I would be sick again it didn't put me off. I've struggled more emotionally this time as feel I'm failing DD a bit. I am however prioritising health over work (didn't last time). My other point would be I would NOT be coping if I was a SAHM as just 1 day of sole care of DD a week wipes me out completely. I feel guilty taking her to childminder when I'm home sick but I don't think I could manage otherwise.

Finally, I was chatting to a family planning GP at a party when DD Was a few months old, and asked her opinion on whether I'd get sick again in a second pregnancy and she very earnestly told me 'not necessarily - if it's a different dad you may not!!' Lol. Decided to hang on to DH though!

SleepymrsE · 12/03/2016 12:32

Morning, still not feeling great - woken up with headache again today and earache. Really hoping I've not picked anything up from DS who has been snotty and grumpy the last few days.

Park trip was a success although I did sit down for most of the time there and spent 5 minutes retching over the toilet as soon as we got in. It totally wiped me out so I'm pleased I'm not at work this week.

Good luck ickle for Monday - hope you're getting a good rest this weekend.

mango hope you're feeling a little better now it's the weekend and not at work. Rest definitely helps me and reduces the voms and nausea. Fingers crossed the GP helps soon. My initial appointment before the vomits started was a wait and see approach. Luckily a trip to the hospital for an early scan helped and I was told to get the GP to prescribe cyclizine. Unfortunately I've been through most medications and am on a combination now - at only 10 weeks. Even with that I've still had an admission on a drip. As others have said the guidelines do not say you can't have medication before 12 weeks.

silk another who has had it worse second time round. I would say I had bad morning sickness last time although was on medication throughout my pregnancy. This time it's def HG. I was hopeful I would escape the sickness but unfortunately not. It does help to focus on the end result.

Hope everyone else is ok. amysmummy hope things at home have improved and you and Amy are ok?

MotherofPearl · 12/03/2016 18:46

Hello everyone and sorry for being quiet. Have developed an awful cold so feeling very sorry for myself. Sleepy, hope your headache and earache don't turn into something more. I've a temperature and streaming nose, and thinking of heading to bed shortly.
Silk, I'm afraid I'm another one whose sickness has got worse each time. First pregnancy with DD I had bad morning sickness but no meds and no admissions. Second pregnancy with DS I had one admission and took cyclizine for the duration. This time around the sickness was horrendous, 3 admissions early on (all within the space of about 10 days) and have been on Ondansetron since then (now 32 weeks). But like MrsMonkey, in spite of being sicker this time, I feel I managed it better by taking 2 months sick leave from work when I was at my worst. That made a huge difference, and now I'm 'only' sick 4-5 times a week. Good luck, whatever you decide.
Sorry not to reply to everyone, but hope all are having restful weekends. Thinking especially of Amys and Icant.

spandau1980 · 12/03/2016 19:18

Amymummy why is he expecting you to move out? Is he mad?
He can jolly well move out! Your daughter needs her home and it will be bad enough having you both apart for her let alone.moving out!!!
Reebok I can't MOP hope all goes well for scans and your all keeping as well as can be.
Everyone else waves x
Baby is crushing me now .... out of breath all the time and I'm huge lol
7 weeks 6 days left x

1moretime · 12/03/2016 19:32

Hi everyone. ...After a long 2 weeks iv been to cuedoc & got prescribed Promethazine HCL for sickness. Anyone had these?
I have cried all afternoon...not been able to get a appointment with my own GP. Feel awful. X

SleepymrsE · 12/03/2016 19:37

1more I had those throughout my first pregnancy and DS was perfect. Unfortunately they didn't work this time round. Fingers crossed they'll kick in soon and you'll start to feel a little better. If you have no ease up you should get back into your GP who should be able to move onto next medication.

1moretime · 12/03/2016 20:03

Thank you SleepymrsE
Reading up on side effects scared me a bit, I could have kissed the docs face when he said he would prescribe me tablets.
He was lovely but didn't check my wee or BP etc. Said my lips looked dry & chapped & my hands have gone dry too. I just feel like a walking zombie!!
He's started me on 10mcg twice a day for now said I can up to 2 twice day if needed. X

spandau1980 · 12/03/2016 20:18

I more time if you aren't keeping anything down or wee is less or very dark get to a ne as you ll be dehydrated and this will make you ill er and no good for baby.
I had to go into hopital at 10 weeks for fluids as was nt keeping anything down for over 24 hrs ...
Xx

eallison88 · 12/03/2016 20:20

spandau you're getting so close! Were your previous babies big?

1more glad you've got meds. Hopefully they'll do the trick, but if they don't, please don't hesitate to go back and ask foorsomething different. There are a number of options.

Hope everyone has been managing today.

ICantThinkOfAUsernameH · 12/03/2016 21:18

Sorry I've been quiet, poorly again, I've lots to catch up on so I'll come back tomorrow and write to everyone x

amysmummy12345 · 12/03/2016 21:18

Hey all, flying visit as dd is being a royal pain in the bum tonight!! DH have started to patch things up and work through things so hopefully things are ok the up. Thank you for all the kind words and messages of support, they have carried me through the last few days.

Welcome newbies, sorry you're here though!! Any news onreebok? Was hoping she might have posted, although I might have missed it...

Reebok · 13/03/2016 08:12

Hi all sorry I've been quiet. Currently in hospital. Ketones have been 4+ since Friday...vomiting up to 18 times in the space of 6 hours. Despite 4 bags of fluid yesterday they still couldn't bring it down. Been on iv ondansetron which has finally started to ease the vomiting. Was having regular contractions so was put in high risk labour ward. Luckily they've calmed down since sickness has been controlled so it's possible they were caused by it. The tests for preterm labour show cervix is closed and low risk of labour. Thankfully!!! Have never been so scared in my life! Only 33+2 today.

They want to see if I can keep ketones down without iv fluids today and monitor baby a bit more. If we are both ok I can go home! Can't wait!! Miss dd like mad. Sorry for tu me post. Hope everyone is ok x

squeezed · 13/03/2016 08:14

1more Promethazine has been the only medication that hasn't given me terrible side effects. It also helps me sleep, well it did until spd pain ramped up.
icant Sorry you're poorly again. Thinking of you.
spandau nearly there!
Waves everyone else.
Dh brought me my morning coco pops and a glass of pop, HG diet is awesome. Then I got up and noticed yet another bleed. Another trip to hospital for me this morning and yet another anti-d injection.

1moretime · 13/03/2016 08:18

Thanks lovelies.
Doctor dI'd say to me if there is no improvements within 3 days I have to go to my owN GP or CHOC.
Only taken one so far last night.
Will take one shortly & keeping my fingers crossed to feel more human today. Poor hubby has been taking DS out to the pics /paypal to let me rest. I feel like I haven't really seen them for the last 2 weeks!!
I hope everyone is okay. Xxx

icklekid · 13/03/2016 08:21

Oh reebok 4+ is not good sorry it's taken so long to get them down glad that iv has worked and hope you are home with dd soon.

squeezed good work to your dh hope you are in and out of hospital quickly

amysmummy really pleased you and dh are talking and hope you can sort it out. We are all here for you if you need to talk

1more agree with others I had to try a few different ones before sickness was controlled both pregnancies

icant sorry your not well again. Will check on here again later for update.

Ds is going through a very frustrating I will scream and cry until I get my own way stage. This morning was my 'turn' for a lie in however ds wasn't in agreement with this plan so 2 early starts this weekend.