Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Pregnancy

Talk about every stage of pregnancy, from early symptoms to preparing for birth.

Soooo, wine...

68 replies

Loveallmyboys · 05/07/2014 17:43

Wondering what your thoughts are on a glass of wine with dinner?
I'm 16+3 and a glass of plonk would go down pretty well right now...
I didn't drink at all with ds1, had a small one, once or twice while out for dinner with ds2 but feeling over cautious with this one for some reason.
What say you?

OP posts:
SeaSaltMill · 05/07/2014 17:46

I'm curious on this too. I go on holiday next week and the wine where we're going is amazing. I considered allowing myself one small glass maybe three times in the week. I'm only 7 weeks tho, not sure it makes a difference?

PetShopGirl · 05/07/2014 17:55

Lots of people will disagree with me, but I say go for it.

We've been under a fetal medicine consultant for all our pregnancies and he is very relaxed about drinking in moderation. As he says, it's the things you have no control over that you really have to worry about.

Loveallmyboys · 05/07/2014 17:57

Yep I'm familiar with fmu too! Got subchorionic hematoma which I think is why I'm so reluctant to pop the cork this time! There are so many fun things I'm not allowed to do, I figured a glass if plonk HAD to be on that list!

OP posts:
Scoobsmam13 · 05/07/2014 18:03

Personally I stayed away the first trimester. There are some ok 0% alternatives, but I don't think there is anything wrong with a glass of wine with dinner. I know a lot of people stay clear completely, but I think one glass is pretty harmless.

squizita · 05/07/2014 18:05

I wouldn't but mainly because the smell of wine makes me gag at the moment. Hope that changes back after I've had the baby, I love wine normally! I doubt a glass once or twice a week with food, later in pregnancy, would hurt.

Jenninlw · 05/07/2014 18:51

I've stayed away in first trimester for last pregnancy and this. Weirdly I developed a huge craving for red wine in third trimester with dc1 and happened to go to Tuscany too so had to indulge in a few sips! This time I'll do the same if I get the same cravings. I'm eating very healthy, doing regular exercise this pregnancy so a mouthful of wine every now and again I feel will be ok!

JennyBlueWren · 05/07/2014 19:13

I've been reading a book called Expecting Better which looks at the evidence and statistics behind the advice on what to eat and drink (as well as other areas). The thing to consider with alcohol is that the alcohol doesn't go straight to baby but first through your blood. So if you were drinking a little alcohol or with food you'd not have much in your blood to pass on to baby. It is worse though to drink in first semester as it affects brain development.

NHS advice was changed to no alcohol out of concern that women wouldn't know when to stop.

whereisshe · 05/07/2014 19:20

I didn't until the main neural development was done with (from memory the join between the brain hemispheres forms at the start of the 2nd trimester, 14 weeks ish?) but had a couple of small glasses after that.

pinkfizzsparkles · 05/07/2014 19:28

I have a glass of wine a few times a week. I'm 27 + 4. I didn't in the first trimester but only because I went off it.

funchum8am · 05/07/2014 19:34

Advice from NHS 2 years ago when I was having DD1 said no alcohol is best but if you really want some aim to stick to 2 units no more than twice a week, so I have a 175ml glass twice a week after 13 weeks, and am doing the same now I am 16 weeks with DC2.

Also trying to keep up with doing EXACTLY what I did when pg with DD as she's pretty easy and I am hoping for another the same I do realise this is irrational and will get what I am getting

SarahF77 · 05/07/2014 19:48

A recent study which I think was in Denmark showed that drinking alcohol increased miscarriage risk in the trimester. Also highlighted lifting things weighing over 20kgs as a risk and a couple of other things which I can't remember now.
Not sure if that risk is an issue once you pass the first trimester.
I wouldn't judge anyone for the occasional glass of wine - a paediatrician friend of mine was often seen with a glass of fizz in hand in her third trimester. Personally, I don't drink at all when I'm pregnant - its not much of a sacrifice really.

SarahF77 · 05/07/2014 19:51

Here is a link to the study I was thinking of - to those in the first trimester, I would really suggest you stay off the booze -

www.rcog.org.uk/news/bjog-release-new-study-looks-risk-factors-miscarriage-and-estimates-quarter-them-could-be-preve

googlenut · 05/07/2014 20:00

Don't risk it - what's the point.

Miriama · 05/07/2014 20:13

I've been having 0% Bavaria Wheat beer and 0% kopperberg cider. The odd sip of wine here and there, probably 100ml or less very occasionally. Nothing in the first trimester at all, and wine now is giving me heartburn so I'm on soft drinks!

oohdaddypig · 05/07/2014 20:16

I had a small amount mixed with fizzy cold water in first trimester.

Now I'm in second trimester, I have one small glass once or twice a week.

I think there are way worse things you can do!

Lalalax3 · 05/07/2014 20:29

I don't drink, just never been bothered, but since getting pregnant I've been sniffing my husband's white wine longingly! So weird. Would prob hate it if I drank it though.

LittlePeasMummy1 · 05/07/2014 20:31

Hello, I write patient information leaflets about use of medicines etc in pregnancy for my job. These are based on the most up to date scientific evidence. I wrote the alcohol leaflet last week, although it hasn't been released yet as it is still being edited. I will post a link when it is out if anyone is interested. As with any exposure in pregnancy, it is up to the individual to weigh up the benefits against any possible risks.

Here is the low down on alcohol
(1) there is very strong evidence that heavy drinking is harmful and can cause both physical birth defects and learning and behavioural problems in the child (but you probably knew that anyway!)
(2) the evidence on binge drinking and occasional drinking is less clear cut, with some studies showing effects and others not. There are a lot of problems with these studies that may make the results unreliable, including that women may under report their drinking, and other lifestyle factors that are not taken into account can affect pregnancy outcomes and neurodevelopment in the child
(3) however, there are a small number of studies that have shown possible effects on learning and behaviour with low levels of alcohol (with the caveats described above)
(4)it is a fact that there is no safe proven level of alcohol in pregnancy

(5) it is possible that genetic variation between individuals might mean that some babies are more susceptible than others to the effects of smaller amounts of alcohol

Just to comment on some of the discussion above, the baby's brain continues to develop right to the end of pregnancy so only avoiding in the first trimester will not protect against any possible neurodevelopmental effects

The way I have been taught is that alcohol does cross the placenta straight to the baby, and because the baby's liver is not fully developed, the baby's blood/alcohol level can actually end up higher than the mother's.

I do worry about the basis of the alcohol advice given in the 'Expecting Better' book, because many people seem to have latched onto it. The author quotes a study where low levels of alcohol have been linked to behavioural problems in children, and says that the results are flawed because the group of women drinking alcohol were also more likely to have used cocaine, which she says is known to cause neurodevelopmental problems in children. In fact, this is not true, we do not know whether or not cocaine does this. It could equally be the alcohol. The bottom line is that we just don't know.

squizita · 05/07/2014 20:33

Sarah it's 1st trimester. And the lifting 20kgs is regularly for women unused to doing it (sadly after many losses there's not much I don't know about miscarriage causes). It's very hard to rule reasons out though, as there are so many factors.

In the 3rd Trimester it would be far lower risk if it was just one glass of wine or something. I don't drink personally but seeing, online, comments like why risk it - that attitude to something very moderate can be incredibly psychologically damaging if a child were to be lost or have a defect. I've seen things online where angry/sad women will be blaming paracetamol or painting their toenails for birth defects which are chromosome issues (so happened at conception) and beating themselves up about it.
After my losses I 'tagged on' to stupid things such as air quality (my losses were 'my fault' for going into the town centre and overdoing it), not taking the right vitamins et'. Delayed me getting the true answer (a blood problem) and led to many months of psychological stress.

Loveallmyboys · 05/07/2014 21:27

Wow, pretty good response to this thread! Well, we went out for dinner... I had a shed load of ribs n chips accompanied with a small Chardonnay.
Oh em geee it tasted marvellous! I doubt I'll be indulging again over the next few weeks or so, so I'm thinking that teeny glass is ok :) and there was no cocaine to be seen, you'll be happy to hear ;) hehe.
It's crazy, I go to hospital appointments and I see heavily pregnant women sat outside the maternity wing SMOKING!!! I mean, how bloody stupid do you have to be to do that?! Not to mention, selfish. Makes me sick! I remember a few years ago, seeing a very pregnant girl in a nightclub with a drink in each hand, literally staggering. Sickening behavior. Puts my glass of wine to shame!

OP posts:
KitKat1985 · 05/07/2014 22:29

I avoided alcohol in the first trimester. Since then I've had a couple of small glasses (one champagne, and one wine) and I'm now 29 weeks. I think the occasional small glass won't do much harm if you're really craving one.

porcito · 06/07/2014 02:45

My doctor actually recommended me to have a glass of wine in the second trimester! Had really suffered with a subchorionic haemotoma etc. so was really anxious, and she told me the benefits would outweigh any potential risks. She's also very relaxed about drinking in moderation. (I'm not in the UK so guidelines are slightly different but it's helped me be more relaxed!)

Loveallmyboys · 06/07/2014 05:39

Porcito, have you had your baby? how is your sch now, if you don't mind me asking?

OP posts:
Heatherbell1978 · 06/07/2014 09:04

I made the decision I would avoid completely for the first trimester and then just see how I felt about it. As it happens I've not had a taste at all for wine - tried it a few times but instantly makes me feel sick! Beer has been ok but I've limited myself to just the occasional bottle now and again. I have never been a huge drinker so it's not something I feel strongly about missing out on but I have plenty friends who drank wine once or twice a week in the latter stages.

tertle · 06/07/2014 09:17

I didn't drink in my first trimester but had a glass once a week (small - 100ml) once I was in the second and third. However towards the end I didn't really drink at all apart from when I got to 40 weeks and was fed up and only a small glass of red with dinner was able to cheer me up! My dd is 15 weeks now and in perfect health.

I think guidelines have to recommend 0 drinks to try to avoid giving carte blanche to those who think one drink means the bottle. I'm quite sure 100ml of wine once a week is fine.

CarCiKoTab · 06/07/2014 09:25

I actually conceived around Christmas and New Year time I had no idea I was pregnant until I was 3 months and I drank a fair old amount, my doctor didn't seem to concerned, I'm now 6 months pregnant and baby is doing well. I don't think a glass of wine with dinner will do any harm!