Hyperemesis Support

[LucindaE]

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

I used to include extracts from MOH's wonderful website
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos/
but I think that makes this link less visible so am merely putting the link. The information on this site is invaluable for sufferers, with information about medications, coping strategies, hospital admissions, useful links, advice for family members, and much more.

I would like to thank MOH and Everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.

Hi all!

Lots to catch up on but just wanted to pop in. I have had visitors over the weekend (and I managed to cook!) so feeling more like my old self. Still got the sour milk taste and gagging at some stuff but overall improving.

Still not got any energy but hoping that will come.

Sorry to hear of sufferings on top of the sickness. It's enough on its own, it really is.

Eggy - this is your third time isn't it? That is enough, people keep asking me if I am finished at two and if it weren't for the sickness I would say I was not but I don't know how I could manage this plus two kids. It makes me sad! Anyway, I am counting my chicken before he hatches...let's hope he does hatch and is healthy and well.

Sending vomming free vibes out to you all.

yep no 3. and i know once we tell people they will just think we are crazy and pushing our luck and shoukd have stopped. which is a sad thought too

bezza DH asked me the other day what I'd do if I lost this baby :( I said same as you, I couldn't do it again, just couldn't.

I couldn't say any of that in RL though as my brother and his partner have gone through 4 rounds of ivf, none of which have been successful.

We have had similar conversations. We had planned to stop at 2 because I was adamant that I couldn't go through another 9 months of this. Catastrophic conception failure. But we are where we are and want this baby lots now. But secretly I might be a bit relieved if the worst happened and this makes me feel like a terrible person. Like you bezza MN is the only place I could say this.
Managed to get through work and two very positive parents evening appointments, much sicko tonight though.

Meerka- so pleased you got meds a d scan was ok

Hyper- that must be awful, can only imagine the pain!

Totes- pleased your feeling a bit better :-)

I've had another day of puking and not managed to drink much so ketones are creeping up. Main focus tonight is to keep down some fluids and hopefully get some sleep!
I am so tired and just can't sleep at all. Kicks and movement are now really uncomfortable, almost constant. It's worse when I try to rest. So mixed with SPD, sciatica, constipation, peeing constantly and puking my guts up day and night, I'm fed up.
Oh and to top it all off I've now got some sort of eczema on my hands from constant hand washing due to far too many toilet trips.

My body is so not cut out for baby making. Never again!

Why do some people sail through pregnancy feeling great and others suffer like us? Is there any research into this?? I know some friends think I'm just being wimpy and should just 'keep going' as 'will feel better once at work/out and about'!!!

oh dear sally ... god, you need a holiday from your own body :( I really hope things improve a bit soon

I'm joining the ranks of never, ever ever again. Well, I joined them after week 6! Getting my tubes tied after that. I think most, certainly many of us, have felt very much in two minds bezza. We want the baby so much, but the illness is just hell. Criticise, those who dare. If you've been through it, you know and won't criticise! It doesnt make you a terrible person. Just human.

It is hard talking to the masses about it as most people have suffered a bit of sickness so tell you they know about it but they don't really know about it at all.

Sally - I would be so fed up too. Awful!

oh meerka i've been seriously considering getting sterilised after this one - sicknspan scared me about relying on normal contraception!!

i really hope everyone gets a break soon. wouldnt it be lovely to get a little out of body experience once a week or so to have a little rest!

i think i will feel better once i can tell people. feels a bit isolating at the moment

We were being careful when our first one came along too, eggy. I knew there'd be a very slight risk from carelessness, so I even took the morning after pill as well.

Lets just say I was extremely surprised when the doctor I saw for something else entirely asked me if he could do a preg test. I thought it was a very odd thing to ask a female patient who was there for something totally different. But he came back with a +ve result and, well, he'd intuited it while I was still completely clueless [thishock]. Yay for elderly, almost retired male doctors!

Both DS and DC2 are contraception failures, so definitely sterilisation after this. Doctor reckons the hyperemesis and the problems with contraception might be linked for me, as some versions of the pill also made me nauseas.

eggy books op for day after due date.....

lol, I keep telling DH I want them to sterilise me the minute DC2 is out

idly ponders planned c section to get both jobs done at once.....

Oh dear, everyone, some suffering and misery gong on. But time does not stay still, slowly you are getting there, everyone.
SicknSpan You are somehow still working? How are people such tidy pukers? I wasn't...Mother hen is going to be very boring (she often is) and say she is still worried about the black bile vomits.
Lucinda
xx

Thanks Lucinda. Have Drs appt later for repeat of meds so will mention it then.
will only give me 5 days worth at a time so need to go back frequently.

I have a consultant appointment booked later on my pg as was just into porky bmi at 31. think that this has reduced now I have lost a stone. Do you reckon I should ask gp to refer me to consultant earlier I.e. now, so that I can ask about different sickness treatment options? like steroids?

Sorry everyone everyone for my awful grammar and spelling, I'm honestly quite articulate but I have a new phone and I am struggling to adjust to android technology after years of an iPhone!

having done this 4 times now, even with nothing yet to show for it, I'm definitely not ever doing this again, whether it works this time or not. I told dh this and he agrees, although he doesn't want me to do anything drastic straight away.

Tallyra, I'm so sorry, I don't know your story. I always believed that the sicker you are, the healthier the baby?

Hi there, I was wondering if I could join this thread.

I'm 15 weeks with dc3. I feel a bit of a fraud as I haven't vomited or been diagnosed with HG but I have been feeling awful with 24 hour nausea.

I went to GP at 7 weeks as I was bed bound feeling so ill and not eating but he just dismissed it as normal pregnancy symptoms.

I hung on, believing it would improve but at 15 weeks I still feel awful. I am getting down and more and more ambivalent about the baby despite my joy at the beginning

Maybe this isn't the right thread, some of you are suffering far worse. I really feel for you. I have gleaned support just from reading though because you are all so brave struggling through this.

MiddleClasssystopia Wlecome, great name. Of course you are on the right thread, on meds as you are being bedbound. Don't despair, for the majority of women this does get better sometime between about fifteen and twenty weeks, it is only the lucky few he get much relief before. Sadly, some women do suffer throughout, but rarely as badly as at the beginning. The first tri is almost always the worst.
Are you able to get up at all? How are the liquids staying down? Are you checking regularly for dehydration with the vaunted kesostix?
Lucinda
xx

welcome :) the nausea is close to being the worst thing actually, many people say so. So yes, you are definitely welcome.

really, anyone who is having their life curtailed or made miserable by sickness, nausea or vomitting is welcome!

Also many of us have ambivilent moments .. Many of them. Oh I am so tired of people saying "you shoudl enjoy your pregnancy!" yeah, think I silently, you try enduring this nausea and then shout about how fun it is.

being in bed the whole time is def not normal!! You shoudl be able to get meds, you really should. have a look at this thread, its the NICE guidelines that doctors shoudl follow. Quality of life IS a consideration:

cks.nice.org.uk/nauseavomiting-in-pregnancy#!scenariorecommendation:3

Apparently there is often a turning point around week 16, and another for people who are still very sick at week 21. (why then? heh). Only a few get the full on version for the entire preg. Heaven help them. So you may be only a week away, or it may be antoher 6 weeks ... a loooong time, I know. Hope it's soon for ya

Just been back to dr....she has given me different drugs to try and once again on the leaflet, it says pregnant women should not take them! Does anyone else get scared about this??

which ones are they? Im sure they will be ok.

The drug companies cant test drugs' safety on preg women becuase of the ethical issues. So in theory, no drugs are licensed for use when you're pregnant. They cover their arses by saying 'not for use when preg'

Buuut ... in practice there are drugs that have been tried on animals and if proven safe there, here and there on humans over time and its built up until thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of women have taken these drugs. They record what, if any, problems have happened. If there are no bad effects, if if the babies are born fine with no more chance of something being wrong than normal, they are considered as OK.

The common drugs - cyclazine, B6, metoclopramide, etc have been used a long time and are considered ok. They weren't sure about ondansetron at first, they thought that there might be a slightly increased chance of cleft palate. But in Feb this year a huge study of 600,000 preg women was published in Denmark. 2,000 of those women took ondansetron and no increased risk was found. So it's considered fairly safe now for the baby as far as birth and any bad effects are concerned.

One proviso: no one exactly knows the long term effects of ondansetron which has been used for about 10 years now. There was a drug given for morning sickness in the Netherlands and they found after 25 years that the children of the mothers who had taken it were sterile. Its one of the reasons they are neurotically scared of giving tablets here. Btw, with the good quality drug trial procedures used now, thalidomide would never have been even tested on humans.

So in theory, no drug is guarenteed safe but some have been used so long and been so good that they are sure there are no ill effects. On the other hand they -do- know that severe dehydration is most certainly bad for mother and baby. You have to weigh up risks and choose the smaller one, which is what the more sensible doctors do. After all, some women end up being forced to consider and go for an abortion becuase of HG and that's the worst of all for the baby.

But becuase there has been no direct testing on preg women of drugs, in theory no drug is licensed for use on them. Its just that well, the common meds have been used for decades with no ill effect on many thousands of women.

So no, don't worry. The drug companies just cover their arses.

... im sure i could have been less longwinded .. !