How will the abolition of mums and dads effect us and our babies?

[kfca]

Does anyone else mind not being recognised as the mother of their baby, if the law changes, maybe in the new year, with the marriage changes?
Will mumsnet have to rename itself as LegalParentAnet?

Get the feeling you lot would love to adopt your offspring, (and I think every baby ideally deserves a mum and dad, (all the evidence points to that), so I'm massively in favour of adoption, and think those parents are real heroes).

Your questions will be answered soon as this proposed legislation will be debated shortly in Parliament, and it isn't just about marriage, it affects everyone, so please pay attention...

I would like to be Q - then I could get to blow a lot of shit up.

I would try being a knocker, but only if it paid well.

I want to 'right on' with Selim in a proper and sincere way, like with a raised fist and everything...I did it a little bit but looked like a right Wombat. But +1000 to that.

Otherwise...what the actual is going on? I have no idea what I'm meant to be worried about really but have found the OP's later views repugnant.
I had a takeaway tonight and it came with the worst bottle of free meths you can imagine. So I drank it. This still doesn't make sense to me.

I'm still not sure what I am supposed to be paying attention to.

I think you have got yourself rather confused over a non issue!

An excellent result, breatheslowly.

I think we can conclude this Parent [initial] business is a marvellous idea, especially if Daniel Craig appears.

You are making absolutely zero sense I'm afraid love.

What's this about, OP? Is it official forms that recognise that some of our children have two mummies (mine, for example)? In which case, fantastic news and it's really tiresome that officialdom so long hasn't recognised that. For example, although we are both legally dd2's parents (not dd1's, sadly - the law doesn't recognise their relationship) it's only this year I think that passports have started allowing for us both to be on her passport.

Oh, and as an adoptive mother I do take exception to your suggestion that my relationship to my adopted child is somehow of a lesser order. I am fully and equally a mother to both my birth child and my adopted child.

Why would I want to adopt my own offspring? How on earth can anyone get that from this thread?

Hold on a sec, I am Parent M. You can all get your own letters, I had M first. And I am certainly not sharing Daniel Craig.

"Re: adoptive parents, sadly, very very few children are adopted in the UK, and most are older children. The very, very, vast majority are born to and remain with their own natural 'mother', at least in the early years. I guess you lot never really appreciated your own mothers very much, or considered how your babies may appreciate having a mummy "

wt actual f?

Can you imagine when babies start babbling and 'mumumuma'ing, the insane effort it will take to re-educate them and say 'NO! Not mumumuma. Nok-a! Nok-A!'

But illage, what if you weren't Nice-Q from James bond but Smug-Q from Star Trek:TNG?

This issue is fraught. Fraught, I tell you.

(OP, although you have posted in Pregnancy, most of us are nt currently pregnant, just attracted by your daft title)

I think Devora has somehow managed to post a sensible comment on the OPs ramblings, I really do hope KFCA bothers to read that and realise how while for most of us this won't change a thing for families like Devoras it will make things much easier.

Sorry - EllePeeAye

C'mon little one, EllepeeeeeeeAaaaayyyye. Not so hard. Stop saying mumumuma and dadada

FFS

Is it like excel? Do you work your way from a to z and then you have to start on Aa? It'll make learning to read a lot easier - I bet they'll know their letters nice and early

This is bonkers but DH and I are now having a debate about how many legally recognised parents a child can have. I don't think that a child could have Legal parent c,d,e,f etc but DH isn't too sure so these are the situations we are debating, let me know if you have any clue which of us is right!

child has parent A (mum) and parent B (dad), the family split up and mum (A) is no longer involved in child's life but crucially does not surrender parental rights.
Dad (B) marries and child gains a step mother (parent C).

Can the step mother (C) adopt the child?

If she did, the child would have 3 legally recognised parents, can that happen?
I think it could only happen if mum (A) gave up her parental rights.

Any idea?

Has anyone linked to this law? I can't find any Bill relating to it. All I can find is the government consultation paper, which makes no mention of these particular amendments and a 'Proposed Bill' written by Stonewall which does include them. Which leads me to believe the OP is jumping to conclusions about a currently unwritten Bill based on Stonewall's made up one.

I don't mind being called "legal parent" as that's what I am.

My DC call me "mummy"

My DSis's DC call her by her first name.

What is important is who get's the final say over where my children go to school/how they have their hair cut and who they want to read them a bed time story.

As long as that's me, I'm happy. (I presume DH feels the same, but he'g gone to bed)

But but but..... what actual practical difference is it supposed to make to me what any stupid piece of paper calls me in relation to my child? I don't care if I'm a parent or a mother. Makes no difference to my practical day-to-day life with my children. And I don't care if I'm natural or legal parent. Don't care if I'm primary carer either, as long as DH also gets to be primary and not secondary. Why are mothers Legal Parent A anyway? Seems a bit sexist. Unless it's purely based on order of appearance in the child's life, like the cast list at the end of a movie.

Slightly more seriously, I'm very confused as to how you've managed to equate us not caring about government form semantics with not caring about our own children. Or why you've posted at all. Is this some kind of long-winded roundabout objections to civil partnerships?

DualFuel - you can only have two parents under the law. So, for example, a lesbian couple who choose to have a child with a male friend cannot both be recognised as mothers if the father's name is on the birth certificate. In fact, they cannot both be recognised as mothers unless the non-biological mother adopts the child. Parenthood cannot be shared three ways.

actually WISH i had time to worry about things like this!

You've read me wrong. My husband would never adopt, but I would. I know a lot of husbands and wives who can't have children and they have ruled out adoption. In my experience the objection tends to be from the man. Hence for a mum and dad to jointly agree to adopt is pretty special.

Yep, I checked out the draft Bills for this Parliamentary session and there are currently none relating to same sex marriage and what parents are called. Sorry folks, you don't get to be abolished yet.

services.parliament.uk/bills/

www.parliament.uk/business/bills-and-legislation/draft-bills/

Riiiiggght I respect and love my mother enough not to care if it says she is a flying spaghetti monster on my birth certificate. I love my child enough to know I am her mother and not care what anyone else calls me AND I believe that adoptive parents are as much parents as people who have genetic children. And I am the muppet who is wrong.