New Hyperemesis Support thread founded by the lovely LucindaE

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As the old thread is nearly full here it is time a brand new thread is born. All we need now is a new vomit face emoticon MN towers!

We are a bunch of past, present and future HG sufferers (along with worried spouses, family and friends) who use this thread to support, listen and discuss the dreaded pregnancy illness that is HG (hyperemesis gravidarum).

There are no limits on how much moaning posters can do nor can anyone's symptoms or experiences be tmi.

The old thread has been a great support to many of us and we hope this new thread carries on the great work started by old thread founder and HG guru LucindaE. She still maintains, supports and clucks around the thread daily even though her own experience of HG is thankfully over.

So with no further incoherent rambling from me on with the new thread eh?

I too am going to investigate the NCT bra fitting service... I got a white and navy polkadot one from debenhams but it rides up my back sending my boobs further south than they all ready are... I'm a 36 G now.... was a nice 32/34 D/E 6 weeks ago!! Rib cage has expanded nicely!! and I cant face shop either. nice change of subject though!

NCT bra fitting service Give them a ring on 08458 100 100.

If your local branch has a bra fitting volunteer, then you give her a ring, she comes over with a box full of samples and lots of advice, finds one that you like and orders one (or whatever) for you.

They are not cheap or pretty, but very, very comfy.

Pretty sure you don't have to be a member.

Lots of people on here seem to have other hormonal problems as well i.e. PCOS and problems tolerating oral contraceptives. Do you think if someone has these problems makes them more pre disposed to HG? I had 4 mc between baby 1 and 2 and although I never got a definate diagnosis of PCOS Drs said I had clinical picture which suggested it! Although this is my 4th baby and 1st time suffering HG! Strange! If I'd suffered this bad first time round I never would have got pregnant again!

Cake my foods of the minute are salt and pepper crisps (may change mind if these ever make their way back up), Cadbury's boosts, fluffy white bread with raspberry jam and jacket potatoes with grated cheese. I also have a bit of a thing for tuna mayonnaise wraps. Does 5 grapes count as 5 a day I wonder? That's about all I'm getting. Was into fishfinger sandwiches a few weeks ago but not so keen now.

Urgh, garlic in freezer, poor you. You need to get that out of the house asap. I find myself holding my breath when opening the fridge because just the general 'fridge' smell gets me, even though everything smelly has been banned.

lottie yes it's interesting about hormone issues. I'm sure they probably are linked but not sure what causes what. Personally I was on the pill for 10 years with no problems before I got HG the first time. After HG, I was unable to take it without throwing up, my melasma (brown skin patches) are also much worse. Bring on the menopause, I can't wait...

Interesting thoughts about hormonal problems, but I have had none. Never had a problem with the pill and have conceived almost immediately (within 1 cycle) both times. In both pg (have had HG in both) there have been queries over my thyroid function, although this has been normal when not pg. Blood test on Thursday to check it out again.

Grumblin Roll on 4 weeks and your ml - I don't know how you have kept going. Pasta? Aagh, nightmare memories of pasta bake making a dramatic reappearance. So you are a member of the Ketones Eliite, too, deferred choc cake and now for GrumblinNitNtLuceLottieFluffy (not deferred) andBoo. Anyone else reached such horrific levels?
Wizz Glad you had such a nice outing. It does so help to do something normal...
Lottie Back on the old thread, we found out lots of us had hormonal problems, menstrual migraines, very violent cramps, a tendency to m/c's, etc.
MaryLou Interesting you were OK on the pill for so long before Hyperemesis raised its ugly head. How are things generally?
Cake Pearl Bike Glad you are still unhospitalised...Cake Re; Luce's rules, cooked cheese, pasta or rice on the way up, a nightmare. 'Hyperemesis is like a series of grotesque conjuring tricks with food and drink, now you don't see it, now it makes a dramatic reappearance.'
Fluffy Congrats on 6 month old baby! A lovely age, enjoy every minute as the others will, though it seems so far away.
TheOnly I hope that Dr's trousers fall down in the street, insensitive or what?! Bile runs, most unpleasant.
Caramel What news?

*Wishing all the best.
LucindaE
xx

Forgot to add, Cake If the sickness is still a torment its encouraging, after all, when I had a m/mc the sickness didn't properly get going and tailed off at eight weeks- I had a 'gut feeling' - no pun intended - that something was wrong for me to get off that lightly.
Cocoanuts How are things with you?
I think it is so awkward about mc's, though, because the hormones have made you want a baby, and be getting ready for one, and can they be turned off, insane though risking another bout of Hyperemesis may seem logically? You are all a lot younger than I was, though- I left it until 33, and when things went wrong blamed it on advanced years...
LucindaE
xx

Hi everyone, sorry, very slack post from me but only have a sec to post as DS is literally jumping up and down to be taken out!

40+2 today and still waiting for baby to make an appearance. It's so cruel as DS was a few days early so never had to go through the waiting part! Lucky the weather is so good I can try and distract myself from the waiting and the sickness but sitting in the sun.

Big hugs to everyone xxx

It's interesting to read about the possible links with hormonal problems, or possibly thyroid issues. I've not suffered from any hormonal probs before, other than sickness during pg with dd (although nothing like the scale of this time around). I find it pretty astonishing (and frustrating) how little research and detailed scientific knowledge there seems to be about ms and hg. Had my booking in today, my hg (diagnosed by dr when hospitalised a few weeks ago) was recorded by the midwife under the 'pregnancy ailments' section of their computerised form! Er, I wouldn't really call something quite so debilitating an ailment myself... Anyway, was quite good to get out of the house for a bit, change of scene, sunlight, fresh air - have come home feeling quite invigorated!

caramel, caramel, caramel I am willing your waters to go telepathically. Being overdue with HG sucks doesn't it. Please please keep us updated when you go into labour!

motherofpearl lots and lots of us seem to have had issues with the contraceptive pill, it made me sick as a dog when I first went on it. The HG has also affected my thyroid and blood disorders/thyroid problems run in my maternal family. Wonder how we'll all fare with the dreaded menopause :-(

theonly I really hope the relapse is over and done with. How you doing food/drink range wise?

lucinda Pasta really does have some weird release vomit valve, as soon as I eat it it just does not stay down. Must be something to do with it being heavy. As for the ketones, early days HG = terrible ketone levels. Even now I can test and be ++ on a good day. They said if you have severe dehydration once the body dehydrates faster and faster each subsequent time you dehydrate, hence ketones get a bit dramatic!

marylou and lottie the first pg/mc does seem to reset the body to a more vulnerable state after. It took me a good year to recover from HG last time-during that time I got glandular fever, every cold/virus and infection going and felt generally run down. Something for us all to look forward to says ray of sunshone grumblin

We sold our house yesterday (it's been on the market for 20 months) so looks like a house move is imminent in the next 6 weeks as the buyers want us out. EeeeeK. Anyone else moved with HG? I need some tips for remaining calm. Funny but I'll miss my toilet, we've become very well acquainted over the past months, its like an old faithful friend. Yes I am losing it.

These past few months have been crazy - since August 2010 I've got married, got pregnant, got a new job, had a death in the family, will move house, and give birth. Just need to get a divorce now and I'll have ticked off most of the hyper stressful life events All of these things have actually been easier to deal with than the HG though, its so bloody relentless and draggy. You should all remember to take things easy on yourself and give yourself a break during HG hell, so says the old codger veteran!

Hi all just popping in swiftly.

16week check was fine. MW suggested fybogel for constipation. Apparently gentler and more effective during pregnancy. Shame it has an awful taste and texture.

She also told me the name of a multi vitamin in liquid form that apparently is very good, contains lots of good pregnancy vitamins, called Florodex. She said she didn't know of vitamin drops and understood that tablet taking can be difficult. She said this medicine is available from Holland and Barretts.

Had FILs funeral today. Got through it ok, glad it's over with and things can move forward now.

Hope everyone is ok, not had chance to read back yet. :)

Florodix with added vitamins here

Florodix as just an iron supplement here

All Floradix items here

ah caramello I too shall wish your waters to break....is there some chant we should all do?

grumblin, i am miserable today :( I am about to rant (just be warned!) i get the toilet thing. i only like to be sick in my ensuite, i cant do it in the other 2 toilets in the house, and I only like to be sick in the upstairs toilet at work. Also, you don't know whats gone on in the other toilet and the first thing you will probably do is stick yr head down it....

was OK this mornng for once but felt rough at work since half 1, had to stop at Tesco on way home and thought I was going to pass out, got home and puked. How can I eat little and often when the little I have eaten since being at work (hot cross buns, apple and a flapjack) doesn't digest and I throw it up hours later anyway? How is eating more going to help? I know it seems to people I am being stubborn when I say I cant eat more often, but I really can't, my body knows when its not digesting, starts feeling a bit weird so I don't want to eat, and then a few hours later is sick. I have eaten when I haven't wanted to and it comes back up. But then sometimes I am sick and then I eat straight away afterwards. I know the difference between an "eat something, yr puking cos yr stomach is empty" to a "dont eat anymore, yr puking cos yr stomach wont digest". Obv the puke looks a lot different, foam/phlegm/bile compared to actual puke with bits in. Urgh. Its good to know we are all in the same boat but I am gettng so BORED of people saying "what, you're still sick EVERY DAY? WHy?" because the baby hates me, thats why. i cant even lie in the sun, i need my duvet and bed, so I am not even getting a tan!

Cake does seem to stay down. And mars milk. and easter eggs. why is this?! why can I not eat normal food!?

pls someone give me some meal suggestions. i have taken to buying roasted vegetable cous cous packs from M&S as they are quite tasty and its my only source of goodness but its getting boring :(

sorry for the me me me post. i am off to sit in the corner now

HB I have got myself into making a big pasta salad with something like tuna, or mackerel or chicken in, put in loadsa cucumber, sweetcorn, peas, other veg of your choice, include sauce of your choice (mine was salad cream) and refridgerate it. Then you can eat a massive bowl full if you feel like it or just a few forkfuls to take the edge off. I found the carbs really helped and there was added veg in there. It's not exciting as a meal goes but it's better than grazing on crisps and cake.

I am a rubbish cook so I find it difficult to just concoct recipes off the top of my head.

HTH

greek salad with added tinned chickpeas? V filling, somehow cleansing.

I was rubbish at concocting meals due to not being able to think about food without vomiting and ended up on single item snacks.

First proper meal i prepared when it started to lift was a toasted muffin, topped with tinned toms and grated cheese. Sound appealing at all?
Jacket spud with beans and cheese?

Go Caramel go! Can't wait to hear you've done with the revolting HG and are nursing a fluffy bundle of joy who sleeps and feeds for England!

Right am back and have read back thru and will attempt a name check :)

Lucinda - My second mc was a mmc and i needed ERPC and I was convinced that the ERPC essentially cleaned everything out and gave my DDs embryo something fresh to implant properly into. So you can imagine all sorts of things I have been thinking this time round in the very early weeks. Still don't think pregnancy = baby yet though. I was so desperate to conceive this baby after a year of trying I was willing to try everything. Was so desperate but now it's imminent I am so so scared, more scared then I ever was with DD I think the fact that this one was planned (DD wasn't) makes the pressure that much higher.

Wizz - Glad you enjoyed your time in the Cotswolds. Have never been myself. I also have PCOS and took me a year to conceive. I didn't ovulate at all in a year. I finally popped out an egg and only DTD once in the whole month and here I am, a pukey mess

Grumbling - also agree re nature making you forget how terrible things are. Even after childbirth you forget the pain you have been through. And I definitely forgot what my sickness was like with DD. Congrats on selling up :) No advice have only ever moved house once in my whole life!

Marylou - I'm with you on the imagining how food will smell if you go near it. Bleurgh! Smells are also terrible for me. I had a good ole puke in my recycle yesterday after smelling my neighbours' cooking. Today travelling home from funeral we passed about 4 million fields of yellow rapeseed oil. Cue sneezes and watery eyes from hayfever and retching in the car at the smell

HB - at your massive norks In my pregnancy with DD mine never grew an inch. Not one iota. This time they feel fuller but not bigger. Just itchy and sore. I bet they don't grow. I have tiny stupid boobs the same size as when I was 13!

Lottie - Definitely think you may be onto something re the hormonal issues. I only found out about my PCOS whilst TTC this baby. After a year of no periods/ovulation I was referred for investigation. PCOS diagnosed after 5 years of gynae probs - hooray, relief! - referred for fertility treatment, got appointment for PCOS drugs, week before appt got my BFP

Caramello - C'mon and pop that baby out

Food inspiration - when I started to feel better chicken salad with guacamole and crushed tortilla chips worked for me (no cooking smells and helpd with yuk taste in mouth!)

Caramel go girl go, sure you're trying all tried and tested methods. was 2 weeks overdue with DD - sex broke waters but still induced 48 hours later as labour not started!

BTW anyone have hay fever and can you take anything? Coconuts you mention this - hope FIL funeral went as well as these things can.
Sympathise, gutted that although bump seems as huge doing abso nothing for cleavage this time round :(

LA - Yes it went ok as these things can go I suppose.

I would have thought that anti-histamines for hayfever would be fine. Afterall, aren't all our sickness meds a form of anti-histamine? Maybe some piriton? Maybe your MW can shed some light :)

And yes my bump seems to be expanding quickly and leaving the boobage behind. Which is annoying because then tops don't really fit properly!

La73, yes also suffering from hayfever although confused because as Coconuts points out, the anti-sickness meds are supposed to be a type of anti-histamine? You can buy a little pot of waxy type ointment from Boots called HayMax which you dab under nostrils to keep pollen from getting in. Safe in pg but not sure how effective it is plus it contains lavender oil I think, so depends on whether you can stomach the smell...

LA and MOP - I am going to the pharmacy today to pick up more cyclizine so will ask about hay fever and report back post haste :)

mine are used for anti-sickness, hay fever and as a mild sedative......i love the mild sedative side, I gave in and took one last night (why do I feel like I am failing when I take them when they help!? is it cos I was off them for so long....well, a few weeks?) and slept for 5/6 hours solid and now feel amazing today.

I think tiredness = no digestion in stomach = puke = more tired = even less digestion.......etc

The proof of this theory will be at about 5pm today........

Coconuts, I too don't really think of this pregnancy as ending in a baby but this past week I am starting to panic about how unprepared and unmaternal I am! How is a baby going to fit out of my vagina when my OH penis is having trouble getting in there?

Coconuts and others on cyclizine - do you think it works less on the sickness over time? I started taking it at start of April and first 10 days or so it kept nearly all sickness at bay, just occassional vom. Now it seems to be creeping back up to 2, 3 or even 4 voms a day, even though I keep on the same 3 x daily dose. Wondering if you can get resistant to it?

theonly I just spewed my fizzy water through my nose when I read your comment about your OH penis! That is the funniest thing I have read all year. My food ideas are exceptionally boring but they are the only things that really work for me: white sliced bread (apparently the stomach slices through it and its exceptionally easy to digest) with sliced turkey or cold bacon with fat trimmed with salty butter. Salt really seems to help me. Very bad. Halloumi cheese strangely, green veg/fruit such as asparagus, broccoli, green beans,apple & melon. Any other colour fruit/veg doesn't work! And potatoes. Thats it, told you it was boring!

motherofpearl Cyclizine does seem to be lesss effective the more you take it. I'm on month 6 of it after a disastrous encounter with Ondansetron and I'd say my sickness is as bad now as it was at 18/20 weeks. It just seems to stem the repeated 10-12 times a day early HG.

la What hayfever symptoms have you got? Weird as I thought Cyclizine is an antihistamine that would automatically negate hayfever?

nitnat how goes you?

coconuts My norks haven't grown either, think the initial weightloss in early weeks deflates them and then any weight gain just makes them back to normal. Tis pants! I'm a B cup and I'd love to see what I'd look like with a DD, though think I'd tip over and be out of balance.

caramel (whispers as I know I'm being annoying) Any movement in the old birth canal?

Well hay fever sufferers, lloyds pharmacy were no help. The lady was nice enough but said that obviously the cyclizine is an anti-histamine but she wouldn't want to say ok to hay fever remedies in case they cause an OD iyswim. So she said so ask MW/Dr. Meh, I'll sneeze.

HB - Tiredness definitely makes the sickness worse. I find if I'm having a good day (after a couple of rested days) I'll be real tired the next day and real sicky for a couple of days. So then I'm rested and do stuff and get tired and so the cycle continues.

Is this your first baby? It is amazing how the logistics of it squeezing out even work, I was always amazed that it fits out but you'd never get it back in.

MOP - I have been on cyclizine since 6 weeks, was hospitalised at 7 and had jabs instead of pills for a couple of days (man, do they work better!) Am now just over 16 and they are still very effective for me, unless, like I say, I do too much.

Grumbling - also loving green stuff. Grapes, melon, apple, and asparagus but not as often as I should be. When DH goes goody shopping for me in the evenings I always ask for the ready made fruit salads, they always seem so much more refreshing than if I was to make it myself

Also a B cup here, but am 5ft 9 and a 14 so I think I look really dispropotionate a D would be great. Would love my B cups if I was a svelte size 8 and 5ft 2. One can dream!