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alicet · 22/01/2010 14:27

Ok so a pretty boring thread title but thought we needed some distance from the last one!

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NeedCoffee · 28/01/2010 19:58

Ooops sorry Crochet, x posted. That is fantastic news about the job, am so very pleased for you! And about the bf

NeedCoffee · 28/01/2010 20:00

birmingham travelodges Although if the kids are on Summer hols then maybe we don't have to do a Sat night.

WhiteWineAndJaffaCakes · 28/01/2010 20:48

FT - thanks for the offer - H seems to have given himself a mental boost today though. There is evidence of him having done little 'normal' things (starting shopping list, washing up) and he seems a bit more together tonight. I think he's just decided that he's going to have to get on and cope with things - I am quite astonished and more than a little relieved. I think he'll be alright tomorrow. He's viewing a flat on Tuesday.

Muppet - great news about Stan getting on with Bob and the lady - hope all goes well on Saturday.

NC - 5 hours?! It must be a transformation now - like an episode of Changing Rooms or whatever (I don't watch property programmes so don't know the names any more).

Crochet - fantastic news about the job from September - that must be a weight off your mind. Lol at the breathing analogies.

I can't decide whether to do a load of work tonight or not - my dad is self-employed and I do his accounts and tax return for him. So for the 31 Jan deadline, he finally gets all his paperwork up to date to give to me.... last night. That's the weekend gone then .

NeedCoffee · 28/01/2010 21:55

WWAJC-Glad H has biven himself a shake.

Yup 5 hours and it doesn't look much different tbh, just cleaner. I sorted clothes out too, Why would a 9yo need 14 pairs of leggings??? Not by me BTW, Spoilt brat.

strawberrylace · 28/01/2010 22:12

hello everyone!
just popping by to say hello, as I really need to get on with some work, but can't resist you all!
We are off to Centerparcs tomorrow for the weekend, really looking forward to it. But I appear to have packed the entire contents of our house, so I think i need to re-pack a bit... That'll have to wait till the morning though, as I think it'll be a bit easier if I am dressed and wearing some of the things that are clogging up my bedroom floor at the moment.
In the meantime, I need to finish writing a publication for work, so I can send a first draft to everyone to read over the weekend. Haven't managed to do as much in the office as I hoped to this week, as I got asked to go and watch some people giving a rehearsal for an awards presentation - and foolishly suggested some things to make it better which I then had to go off and do! Mental note to self - must not open my mouth in the future....

Muppet - hope you get Stan and the dog-lady sorted
WWAJC - good luck with the paperwork!
NC - i am intrigued by the sauna suit
Crochet - that's so good that you may be able to go part time in September, and pleased you have decided about the bfing
Floria/LLL/Alicet/Inzi/everyone - hope you are all ok

As for the meet up - i would love to meet up with you, but seeing as I live as far east as is possible in the UK, I'm not sure what I would be able to make. For me it would probably have to be something with LOs as that would be easier than coming away on my own (have never left DS yet overnight and not sure how I would cope!) I have a couple of weeks off work at the end of March, and was thinking of driving up north to visit my sister and her family in Yorkshire - they live between Halifax and Huddersfield, so perhaps I could pop over and see the Manchester area people then???

Right, must go and apply myself to writing my booklet now xxx

Dalrymps · 28/01/2010 22:32

Evening lovely ladies

So nice to see the thread so chatty!

Been for check up with MW today, all fine, 5 weeks to go on sat

Floria - How's Alex's sleeping going? Still good? Hope so...

Your recipes all sound so yummy, i'm afraid i'm going to have to come and stay for a while

Crochet - Sorry the AD's you've been on have had such horrid side effects , why can't they just make ones that do't make you feel sh*tty?!

Citalopram was ok for me, once I got through the first few weeks I felt pretty much fine. Before that I had some headaches, nausea and insomnia and anxiety was a little increased but it did go away and I started to feel a lot more settled.

So glad to hear that you've managed to find out about being able to bf on it, sure it'll be fine

Great news about your job and the possibility of going p/t, must be a huge weight off your mind.

The Cbt session sounds emotionally exhausting, hopefully it'll only get better from here and will be a great help to you. Are you feeling a bit better now after you felt rubbish the day after?

WWAJC - Good that things seem to have come to a head with dh and you know a bit more where you stand and what is happening now.

Sounds like he's taking it seriously too with the flat viewing..

Alicet - I could probably make a meet up if it was daytime-ish so I could get back to put Dylan to bed... obviously it depends when it ends up being as I might have given birth by then . What area of Newcastle do you live in again?

Strawberry - Hi, hope you have a wonderful time at centerparks!

NC - Sorry but PMSL at you in your sauna suit at least the postman was a fellow wearer!

Muppet - Glad the meeting with Stans possible new owner went well even if it wasn't as straight forward as expected what with the car probs!

You talk so much sense when advising others here on the thread about depression etc. You are truly an inspiration . So nice to hear you talk about your inner happiness and how you've made it through the other side...

Btw, when you wrote 'Stan has a doggy date' I misread it as 'Stan has a dodgy date' LOL!

LLL - Hi, hope you are doing ok!

I am gonna have to say that a night out on the town will have to wait for me for a while till i'm not pg/bfing, will have to catch the next one... Damn it, why do I always miss these meet ups!

Choc - How are you doing at the moment? Your dh stopped being annoying? I have to say I would be pretty annoyed if my dh had offered mme a lay in then not let me have one, i'd give him what for!

I'm feeling very motivated at the moment to 'do' something with my self/life/brain. I can't stop thinking about becoming a midwife and how to make it happen.

I think these feelings are just stronger at the moment as I physically can't do anything about it. I have to wait until the lo's are a lot older before begining on that journey and I just want to do it now!

I've looked in to it and it looks like I would have to do an access course which would be in Ashington (50mins away) as the rubbish college here doesn't do them. So that would be a commute for a start. I need to do that so when I apply to uni they would have evidence of me doing recent study..

Then there's the uni bit, 3 years full time, no p/t option and very hard work from what i've heard. A lot of hours on placement etc... I'm not at all afraid of hard work and welcome the challenge but I can't see me doing that till the lo's are at least school age or just before as it's also improtant to me to be there a lot when they're younger.

This for me is a great internal conflict.. I want to do right by my lo's but also by myself. I know I can do more with myself and feel I would feel so fulfilled by suceeding at this ambition... Sorry just babbling on, just thinking aloud really.

I swing between thinking 'I can do this' and 'what if i'm not good enough' but kinda feel like I have to force myself to ignore my fears and go for it as the feeling of achievment would be so great if I did manage it. I have a lot of insecurities (thanks to my parents) but want to take responsibility for myself and stop listening to my negative thoughts.

Sometimes I wish i'd realised all this a while ago as it would have been so much easer to train when I lived in Newcastle.. But I talked about this with dh today and when we moved here it was the right thing to do at the time and we had a 'plan'. Turns out that plan kinda didn't work out and now the new plan doesn't fit anymore... Sure we'll work out a way round it (I hope!)

Ok, i'm really gonna stop boring you all now

Hi to anyone i've missed x

alicet · 28/01/2010 23:33

Just a quickie ladies as I need to go to bed...

Sorry NC but I pmsl at the image of you opening the door to the postman in the asuna suit !!!!! Also gobsmacked you managed to spend 5 hours cleaning dds room. I think after 45 mins I would have had enough and left it

About meetups - for me it will have to be a weekend even in school holidays because of work and also dh being on hand to look after the boys. I am well up for it though. Might for me be better before July - my sister is over in July and August and I tend to spend as much free time as I can with her during that time given that she is on the other side of the world most of the time! Dh is away at some point on a cycling weekend - will double check when that is as I wouldn't be able to come then but I would love to meet in principle!

Crochet v positive about part time working - nice one!

Dal sounds like training as a midwife will be tough but I totally get you wanting to do something that is for you. I would go mad without my job. I think it might well be a good plan to wait until they are in school though as I think shift working on placement will be tough when they are tiny. You are young too so sure you will still be great then! your call though - I don't think it isn't doable once Miles is a little older - just that you might make it harder for yourself and if your confidence is low then you might well end up deciding you aren't good enough when in actual fact you clearly are!

Muppet fingers crossed that it all works out for Stan - all sounds v positive!

Well about meetups - how about we say Thurs 25th Feb in York? Can work out details nearer the time but i would propose a soft play place on the outskirts that is easy to drive to? Very happy for others to suggest another date if this is no good but thought it better to suggest something rather than going round in circles!

Dal if you want to meetup either at mine (I live in Great Park which is right next to the Gosforth exit for the A1) or I am happy to come closer to you given you are pg and might struggle more than me at the mo! If we made it a Thurs NC might make it too! just let me know what would work for you...

Anyway I need my bed now so chat tomorrow.... hello to all I haven't mentioned xxx

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alicet · 28/01/2010 23:34

So I posted 'about meetups' twice - the second one I meant for ladies who could get to York - the first I meant for the evening away from children one! Hope that made sense

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NeedCoffee · 29/01/2010 08:30

Morning ladies. Just a quick one to say 25th feb should be fine for me alice. On way to college on bus and difficult to post from phone. Will reply properly later. Choc have a lovely weekend away x

NeedCoffee · 29/01/2010 08:33

Sorry I meant strawberry!

muppetgirl · 29/01/2010 11:02

Dal - I have a Midwife frind who lives across the raod, do you want me to see if you can have a chat with her about what's it's like, waht the trainning's like etc etc? She's on facebook so you could message each other? She's very lovely and would be honest with you. I agreew tih Alice about maybe waiting until lo's are older. I keep trying to re-train but it's just not happening due to lots of reasons so Dh and I have agreed that I'll stay at home until Toby is settled at school then I can go to Uni to do the conversion course I need to do to get started, in a year. I just couldn't manage the study + children and I totally bailed out of the exam as was having dreams about it, not sleeping and it was really affecting my day to day life so I decided it really wasn't worth jepodising the stability it had taken so long to get [smile}

Crochet - Fab news on the p/time from Sept. Huge weight of your mind and great you're still HoD. Love the singing analogies! Are you making anything at the mo? I had my first total disaster the other day as I'm making a blanket for Toby when he's older for his Toddler bed out of some of his old babygrows. I had cut squares and also hearts to sew on cream cotton squares as a contrast. However...I washed the 2 rows I had sewn and the babygrow sqaures completely lost their shape! So I am now just sewing the white cotton squares with hearts on together and this looks much more stable. Going to pad it wth wadding, not done that before, Ill take photos when it's done.

Alice/LLL/NC - Am definately up for a night out June/July suits me but I am in the same boat as Alice and would prefer a weekend if poss as Dh works in the week. Don't worry if it isn't possible, he could take a day off, just thought I'd mention it.

WWAJC - Good Dh has pulled himself together, hopefully he'll move out soon and you can start the next chapter

Strawberry - have a lovely weekend away x

Well, Ollie is at home as he's absolutely knackered at the mo. Aslo quite pale again -you know, the green kind of pale? He's settled on the sofa watching clone wars under his Star Wars blanket and snaffling his 'snack box' (don't know where the name came from but that's what our lot call a snack in a bowl )

Love to all
xx

muppetgirl · 29/01/2010 12:01

This is what I have written as a response to my mother. Sorry it's long but would appreciate any feedback
xx

There has been a time lapse between your message and my reply as I have been thinking about what you said. I can honestly say I don?t remember any such apology or acknowledgement that your husband had ever verbally abused me. There was no ?making up? regarding Fred?s ?abuse? (interesting you call it that, is this finally your acknowledgement that he was wrong? That you were wrong?)

In fact I do remember a conversation at Granddad?s funeral where I said this would be the last time we would speak as there was far too much ?water under the bridge?. I remember you asking about how much I weighed and getting in a tizz about it telling Fred across the room I remember you appearing to be very drunk as you were slurring yours words. All strange stuff really for a funeral.

Yes, you did send cards with a cheque in but I never cashed them. I never took your money. I don?t remember you actually having a contact address for me for years, I think even before the funeral as I was living in a place that didn?t have a postal address so I can?t quite see what address you had. There was contact by your step daughter regarding your operation as we had to make decisions as to whether to come and see you or not but nothing else. Yes, I did write to you but only once. It was a 10 page letter detailing exactly why I was upset and the issues I had. You wrote back saying ?are we still going on about this??? Yes. I am. And will continue too until you address what happened.

To be frank though, it is hard to discuss issues with someone when events happened so long ago and one of the primary figures in the issues was, more often than not, drunk. Your memory doesn?t match mine (or Russell?s, or Jason?s) so I?m not sure how we could discuss things anyway but here goes?

This, to elaborate once again, is the problem;

Before you left our home life was chaotic, tense and a very unhappy place to be. You and dad were incredibly strict and ruled with a rod of iron, discipline was tough and expectations of behaviour were high. This led to a culture of fear; we behaved not because it was the right thing to do but because we were scared of the consequences of possible bad behaviour. In short we were scared of you and dad. I have to say mainly you though. It seemed that the things that upset you changed daily and we never knew from day to day what would upset you, how you would react and what you would do us. You were irrational, you were inconsistent and I remember being very unhappy at this time. I would leave my friends playing after school to come home and peel potatoes, cook the dinner and wash the clothes as you were at work. We were led to believe you were working and we needed the money to survive. As children we were very aware of the financial situation in the house and asked for very little having learned that to ask would make you feel bad but that we didn?t get things anyway so there was little point. We were guilty children, not wanting to upset you and dad. You would literally scream if the chores hadn?t been done, I remember many such examples as does Russell who was also there at the time.

To then find out that you weren?t actually always working when you were ?working? and that you were, in fact, having an affair was quite a bombshell. To be screamed at for not doing chores or not doing them right was difficult enough but to then find out that you were lying to us all we found very difficult. Your behaviour dominated our lives as did your irrationality and unpredictability.

It was a release when you left. Family life was less tense and we all seemed to relax a little. I agree that something had to give as no-one was happy in the situation we were all in but you had an affair and then left. You didn?t leave and sort out one mess before starting another. You had never been on your own since you were 18? 19? Yet you went straight into another relationship, living with the man and not giving yourself time to heal with your children and sort out how the new life would be before introducing a step- father into the equation. You let him take over your life, you wouldn?t come away from the pub, and I had to go there to see you as you wouldn?t come to see me. Life once again revolved around you and what you wanted.

This is when the phone calls started. You would phone on a Tuesday as you knew dad would be out. You would shout and rant at me telling me that you wanted to see me; you went on and on yet never once listened to me when I asked you to give me space, to let me think about what had happened. It was all about what you wanted. There were drunken ramblings for which we got an answer phone in which to screen your calls as I was so distressed at what was happening. Solicitors were involved and I wrote a letter through them asking to be left alone. You didn?t believe I wrote the letter, your solicitor replying using the phrase ?purportedly written by Emma? Still, this may have helped ease your conscience at this time I don?t know.
You phoned at 3 in the morning shouting ?He?s hit me Colin, come and get me?? and other various ramblings on more than one occasion. You filled the answer phone tapes we had as I insisted we kept them as evidence because you would phone the next day seemingly unaware of having even phoned. You didn?t believe me or you chose not to. I suppose I?ll never know. I let you come to a concert and you turned up covered in bruises. Friends asked, I had to admit I had no idea as to what was going on but what I found the hardest thing to reconcile was that you chose to leave us and be with someone who would treat you this way and if I asked you about it you just said ?well, you should have seen what I did to him!? You said something about a ring that marked his face between his eyebrows? You were very proud of what you did as I think you viewed it as an example of how you were dealing with the situation. I just found it rather odd that anyone would let someone do this to them?

I also wanted to remind you a little of what you left behind;

We struggled after you left as I never had the right clothes for anything. I had to borrow PE Kits or steal them out of lost property. Shoes were worn to literally falling apart. I used cardboard to cover holes (and also protect my feet and socks) and when it was wet I put my feet into plastic bags and then put my shoes on. I didn?t have enough uniform often going to school in dirty clothes. I remember being so cold at this time. Ice on the inside of our windows, my hands hurting whilst trying to light a fire to keep warm. The heating was hardly ever on due to there being no money to pay the oil bill should we use it. When it?s cold now I still have that same feeling when I look at my chapped hands. I?m right back to being a 14 year old. Food was basic, 2 rounds of jam sandwiches for a packed school lunch all put in the old plastic bread bags we kept.

We aren?t talking about luxuries here; we?re talking about the basics of what every person needs. You were going on foreign holidays yet there was no money for maintenance to pay for me. You weren?t being a good parent as a parent should be. You provided for yourself but not for your child.
I started work when I was 14 as no one would, or could, provide for me so I got a job.

I worked in a rough and ready pub. The cliental were fine in the lounge bar but the Landlord quite often thought it funny to give my wages to the local idiots and ask me to go and get them. I cycled miles there and back just so I had some money to pay toward clothes, birthday presents ect. I then got a job in the village pub so this was nearer but I was sexually harassed by the Chef which wasn?t great but I dealt with it.

School was a solace, in those days they never took home life into consideration and I don?t think they knew of our family circumstances for quite some time. My grades suffered, I didn?t really care about school work and I believe I never achieved what I should have due to working, the stress you created by the phone calls and rantings but most of all because I didn?t have the parental support to help me achieve what I could. Dad was caught up in providing and you were caught up in yourself.

I left home to live in London when I was 18 and never lived full time at home again.

So you see there was a lot that happened when I was younger that you were part of the cause of. I was extremely unhappy a lot of the time and struggled with the basic teenaged problems. I suffered with extremely heavy and painful periods first mentioning this to the Drs when I was 18. It wasn?t until 24 that I was finally diagnosed with endometriosis and had to go through several procedures. Treatment kept it at bay but I know the next option is more serious. So as you can see, life was tough especially with, apparently, no understanding from your side.

Then you married again. This man was ?the one? according to you and we were all to be happy for you. He verbally abused me calling me a tart, a hoare, a slut etc. etc. You stood by and let him saying that I ?had said far worse?? I don?t understand what you were talking about I was still that fearful child that would have never sworn at my parents let alone him. His daughter would phone me doing the same, did I ?know what I was doing to my mother?? Once again, all about you. Jason defended me which is where he said he didn?t want contact whilst you were married to that man. I cannot understand how any parent could let their child be spoken to that way and stand in the same room and do nothing.

This husband has died. I am thinking it won?t be long before husband number 4 makes an appearance as you don?t seem to manage on your own. I could be wrong and would love to be but I?m not sure people really change.
You don?t address what you did, how you upset people, how you lied and how you chose to parent. You want to move forward with people who need the past sorted first. I don?t need you in my life and that?s what you seem to forget. I have managed for 20 years without you and the last 9 or so without any contact at all. I would love a mother in my life but I can?t trust you won?t just drop us all when the next husband arrives on the scene and doesn?t like something we have done. I don?t trust you to be involved in my live all that entails. I don?t trust I won?t have to listen to drunken ramblings at 3 in the morning. That?s not a place I want to go back to.

You had choices in your life, as did I. We both have to live by what we chose. Your husband has died and now you want contact. You are living in a rented flat as you can?t afford to come back to the UK. You have no contact with your children or your family. I suppose looking at it from the outside you are the one having a tough time as I wouldn?t ever want to be in your position.

Do you have regrets? You gave up everything for the men in your life. Do you think this was the right thing to have done? With hind sight would you change anything or do you stand by the decisions you have made?
As you can see there is a lot to sort out before even the slightest possibility of a future. You need to acknowledge your part in what happened and you need to say sorry and you need to show how you are sorry by a change in your behaviour.

I look forward to your reply. Be as honest as you want. I can take it.

FloriaTosca · 29/01/2010 12:37

Strawberry; have a fab time at centreparcs Hope you managed to get your publication and the packing all done.

Alice; I'm definately up for 25th Feb in York, though I will have to leave before 3.00(ish) if I can't move my pupils around (business is terrible atm so can't afford to lose any)

Crochet; fabulous news about going p/t and keeping your HoD status...roll on September! Glad also that you have decided to continue bf I would have decided the same...and I hope the citallopram works brilliantly for you, as Muppet says, the tunnel is long and very twisting but there is light at the end and it gets closer every day (even if it doesn't feel like it)

NC; 5 hours!!!!!lol at the threat of getting rid of her wardrobe and bed!!!...oh what joy we all have to come, I'm told boys are much more untidy than girls [worried emoticon]

Muppet; sorry Ollie is under the weather again...hope he perks up soon. ...and ditto what everyone else has said about your eloquent writing about PND, you are an inspiration and I'm thrilled that you have come through it are so very happy now.

FloriaTosca · 29/01/2010 12:57

Xposted Muppet
WOW! That is an epic and understandably so when so much has happened..As usually you write very eloquently though to tell the truth I wouldn't even offer her this much of a chance of reconcilliation..she sounds like a selfish egoist to me with no maternal insticts whatsoever ...but.. she is your mother and that bond is impossible to break completely. I hope the letter gets you the response you would like but sadly I think your prediction that she just wants her family back to pay attention to her and rely on until she can find husband number 4 is probably correct.((((hugs))))

FloriaTosca · 29/01/2010 13:05

forgot to add Dal on my first post..sorry.. You are soon going to have your hands full with 2 los so I think these itchy to get started feet will soon be under control but if they are not how about looking through the course work/literature you will eventually be studying and getting familiar with it. When I was at Uni we had a coach who used to tell us to use all our leisure time to musically learn all the repertoire we were not ready for yet (and wouldn't be for several years) because when the time came when we needed to know it we wouldn't have the time and music and language coaching resources to hand...perhaps getting familiar now with what you want to study in the future will save you a lot of time later and keep the impatient feelings at bay.

LisaLessLumpy · 29/01/2010 13:56

Muppet - Blimey has she just contacted you again recently in order for you to have to reply? If I was in your position I wouldn't even give her the satisfaction of replying. But then again if it gets it off your chest and hopefully some of it might sink in to her.

I thought my mum was a bit self centered, but compared to yours she is the best mum in the world. I am truly sorry you had such a bad upbringing and all credit to you to having come through it, made something of yourself and are a wonderful mum to your boys xx

Oh and I hope Ollie is feeling better soon x

I'm afraid I am going to have to decline on the meet up in the day on the 25th Feb, its just too far to make it, but I am so up for a night away somewhere and it would have to be a fri or sat night for me too, so DH can have the boys. I will travel anywhere

Crochet - great news about going part time, hope it helps

Strawberry - enjoy Centreparks, we are going there at the end of May, Mon-Fri and I am really looking forward to it.

muppetgirl · 29/01/2010 14:18

She found me and my brother -other one isn't on facebook. Haven't accepted her as a friend so she can't see anything.

Do you know she even sent a friend request to my dad?!?!?!

She is on planet cuckoo land as far as I'm concerned.

Good news is I'm not loosing sleep over it. Has taken me just over 2 weeks to reply to her so no champing at the bit as it were.
It's not just me, she is odd isn't she!

alicet · 29/01/2010 14:55

Muppetgirl omg! No it is not just you, she is disfunctional and self obessed and I have to say if you have already been down the route of writing her a long letter to get such a dismissive response. I would be tempted to make it to the point 'Mum, I sent you a 10 page letter x years ago in which I said very clearly that I couldn't have you in my life until you were prepared to take some responsibility and to apologise for the way you have treated me. I cannot have any relationship with you until you do this so kindly don't contact me until you are ready to have that conversation, All the best, Emma' However, having said this you need to do what will make you feel best about this situation so if to write what you have will do that then go right ahead. As always what you have written is very eloquent and clear so if you want to go down this line then the way you have written it is perfect.

Floria I think your advice to Dal to try and do a bit of study in advance of applying in order to whet her appetite and make it easier once she formally starts studying is an excellent one!

25th Feb is in my diary. I could probably get to York by about 10.30 but can fit in with others... We'd probably need to leave not much after 3 to avoid awful traffic getting into Newcastle and for the boys to get hom for tea so early start, early finish works for me too!

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Dalrymps · 29/01/2010 16:29

Afternoon ladies

Alicet - I think the points you make about me waiting till the lo's are older to train are very valid. If I think about it logically that would seem the best option all round, I wouldn't feel I was sacrificing their younger years and once they're in school i'll have more during the day at least to do the course (without nursery costs). I'd be more willing to consider starting it earlier if there was a part time option but there isn't so I have to look at it realistically.

I'm just an impatient person! I do know though from past experience that sometimes I get all excited about things and a while later go off the idea... At least i'll know I definately want to do this if I still want to do it in 4 years time! I'm not sure whether I actually lose inteest in things I want to do or talk myself out of doing them through fear of failiure though

This has been of great interest to me for at least the last 5 years or so though so hopefully I have found my calling. I used to be addicted to pregnancy and birth magazine and a program called desperate midwives and would stay up till the early hours to watch it. This was way before we decided to have babies, I just wanted to learn all about it.

My dh is always commenting that I seem to soak up info on the subject like a sponge and is really impressed how I remmeber all the details, I think this is cuse i'm just so interested in it... Both my sil's always ask me questions on the subject too and have commented that I should become a mw .

It's got to the point now that i've read so many issues of pregnancy and birth that I don't buy it anymore as there's never anything new in it that I don't already know ... I feel like short circuit 'need more info'

About the meet up, I don't really have any days I can't make as far as i'm aware. I think I could find your house although sometimes get a bit panicky at the idea of getting lost in the car on my own . I know where thr Gosforth turn off the A1 is, I know how to get to the city centre from there and I know where the Northern Rock building and the Asda is... You anywhere near any of those places?

Muppet - That would be really useful as long as your friend was ok with it maybe you could ask her and if she says no then fair enough...Would be fascinating to chat with an actual mw though!

Sounds like you and I have a similar study plan then, waiting till the youngest is at school. I've always thought you were doing well to even consider studying along side having 3 children so I can understand how it must all be a bit much.

I hope Ollie is feeling better soon, poor little mite...

About your mum... I think the letter is very well written. Very clear and consise and to the point. There was a lot to fit in to it so couldn't really be any shorter! I tend to think that the letter might do you more good than your mum, by that I mean it's good for you to get it all out and written down to remid yourself of why you have no contact. I just worry that a lot of it won't go in at her end iyswim? That doesn't mean you shouldn't send it or have written it, just that I would hate you to get your hopes up that she might actually change for her to give you a similarily dismissive and frustraing response as the last time...

It is most definately not you btw, it is her, she is odd, we'll, more than odd. My mother is pretty bad but yours takes the biscuit. Tbh I think you're being extremely generous to even entertain her in the slightest after all she's put you through.

I appologise if i've linked to this site for you before but in case I haven't, I found this site really helpful. It made me realise it wasn't me!

Floria - Great idea about reading up on what i'll be learning, great minds think alike cause I started a thread on just that the other day!

I asked for student mw/mw's to tell me what textbooks and reading material you have to read once training and got quite a few suggestions . One lady advised me to wait until after June as they pop up on ebay once courses are finished and can be bought quite reasonably. I might have to buy at least one before then though as I want to get reading! I've even bought a nice big notebook to make notes in

LLL - Hi, How are you doing today?

I just saw on the weather that there's more snow on the way here this weekend, nooooooooooooooooo!

Ahh, the nights are starting to get lighter this past week, it's no nice to still have daylight at this time . I always feel like i'm hibernating during winter till it gets lighter again.

Hi to everyone I have missed x

alicet · 29/01/2010 21:10

Dal if you're not keen on driving on your own happy to meet somewhere closer to you if you like?

We're not far from Asda - actually much closer to the A1 than there but its the same turn off. It is really very easy to find though and i could always come and meet you if you got lost. Or like I say very happy to meet you somewhere closer - very happy for you to choose whatever is easiest for you since you are pg!

Good luck finding a mw to chat to and getting books! Can really understand you being impatient - I am not sure I could wait 4 years even though I think it is logically the reight thing to do! Good luck xxx

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Dalrymps · 29/01/2010 21:48

Alicet - I think for NC it'll be easier if we meet at yours... Probably best if you and NC work out what the best date would be for you both then i'll see if I can fit in with that. I'm not to bothered about driving on my own, it's just this fear of getting lost I have but that actually almost never happens anyway! I know Newcastle better than anywhere else so happy to give it a go...

EvaLongoria · 30/01/2010 00:59

Hi All

So it took me a little while to read all 6 pages in between my break from studying.

I had all such a lot to say but at this time of the night I am totally exhausted.

WWAJC Well done on sorting some things out with your H. We did that back in Oct and I feel its the best that could have happened. It is very hard though.... Looking after a toddler with no one around and I think if Anya stays at the house it would be easier. H found a flat 8 miles from ours and has her 2 nights a week. We get a long slightly better but still same silly stuff makes us disagreen and then argue but at least I can then end the call instead of having to listen non stop and before it gets even uglier. So hopefully everything will work out ok.

NC must say the sauna suit made me smile but what really made me laugh was the comment from Lisa having visions of you looking like an oven ready chicken,

Re:meetup. If its childless then I can do any Saturday (as H has DD until Sun Eve) or if its nearby then Monday Eve's because I can take a train after college. But I dont drive, but can do Birmingham easily as train is an hour from Oxford and can even stay over.
If its with DD then I can do any other days except Tuesdays unless everyone is coming and I can maybe have her and H will prob be over the moon.

muppetgirl I cant believe how someone as wonderful, happy and allways with advice came out of a childhood like that. I can fully understand your feelings and agrees with another poster that it seems like she is looking just for an interim bonding until she meets someone else. She sounds very selfish and sometimes its better if they dont have contact else your boys might get hurt should they get close to her and she does the same again. I didnt have a great relationship with my mom, having not been raised by her initially for the 1st 8 years of my life and she never made me forget that. I was physically assaulted by her until I left home age 25. Miraculously me coming over here and my one sibling dying the same week made her realise how she was and even though its distant we have a great relationship now. I spend normally twice a week with her on the phone for more than an hour. Only lately since me & H split and me studying I hardly get time. I finally learnt to love her as I do the rest of my fam. So hopefully all works out for you.

So still working on assignments but contantly tired more so because I go to bed at 3-4am in the morn. This morning I slept in until 11am and forgot about toddler group. But hopefully I will start the new term in Feb less stressed.

On the positive side I finally have my bed for myself, Aaliyah been in her own bed since Tuesday. Tuesday she fell asleep with me as normal in bed and I carried her over to hers. Took pics and she woke at 2am and came to mine. I didnt want to force her yet because her biggest problem was screaming the house down if she went to her own bed at night. She cried but more a "wake up cry" then a "i dont want to be heeeeeeere cry". In the morning I asked her about it and she said "no mommy, slept mommy's bed." I then showed her the photo's. She was so excited. By 10am when her Au Pair came she told her. On Wednesday eve after normal routine she took her babies and said night night to us both and then wanted a story. After re-reading Ruby Flew Too several times she finally fell asleep. She has been waking up every night though and settled again. But when she wakes at 2am she gets out. But tonight a brief wake because she fell out of the bed, oooops. But I picked her up and she is still in bed. So fingers cross this is it for me and a toddler in my bed.

To everyone else sorry for missing you all.
But trying my best to keep up.

muppetgirl · 30/01/2010 09:27

Hi all, thanks for all the comments/advice. I sent it yesterday so not expecting a reply anytime soon. If she ignores once again I'm copying what Alice said straight into a message! No way is she ever having contact with the boys so that's why I've not mentioned them or Dh (she doesn't know I'm married!) The government are wanting to introduce 'rights' for Grandparents which frightens the willies out of me. What would happen if she did come back to this country? Would she have any rights? I know it's a total longshot -her actually coming back, finding me etc etc - but you never know.

Anyway, Toby is trying to crawl!! He does press up position and tries to get his legs underneath but can't quite get there so OMG! Henry was so late we never even thought Toby might do it 'normally'! He's getting a little frustrated and ends up looking like he's skydiving Watch out Ollie and Henry when he does (am going to buy earplugs...!)

Dh has taken Stan and Henry to the lady's in Winchester to see if he gets on with her, her daughter and Son IL. Floria -what do you think would be sensible with regards to the next step? We've suggested a 4 week trial with the option of returning Stan any time but we don't know if it would be best if Stan would be in Jill's house without Bob or for them just to get on with it as that is how it would be -Bob coming to stay for the day and then goes home. Bob will definately be at his house initially and she will collect Bob on the way for a walk. She's very excited about Stan and really wants to do her best for it to work out.

Hi everyone else, Alice, Inzi, NC, Dal, Eva, LLL and WWAJC.

Love to all
xx

muppetgirl · 30/01/2010 11:54

Dh just phoned to say the visit went really well, Stan was snuffling in their garden and rolling over to be tickled (he likes a tickle on the tum) Bob was desperately trying to play with him but Stan was more interested in the pond as he loves water (but not baths!) Jill's daughter + husband + her 16 year old daugter (the daughter's daugter) were playing with him and he was great, no growling just loved being played with

Plan is I will take him over on Thur for a 3/4 week trial. Dh has a jumper of Jill's that she has put in Bob's bed so it smells of them for Stan to sleep on/get used too.
Am very excited for him as this home seems perfect. Lots of fuss, company, a pal to play with and his own 'person' all the time. What more could a Jack Russell want?

NeedCoffee · 30/01/2010 12:49

Hi ASll

Really having to do a flying visit as am meant to be getting ready to go out, at Rich's work do tonight but need to take dd2 to my mums and get to the place for 6.20 to be picked up and he wants us to go shopping first and just sat in my towel with wet hair!

Muppet-Just wanted to say good news about Stan and that was a very eloquently put letter. TBH I don't think I would give her another chance at all, you're a lot nicer person than me. I have decided to not speak to my stepdad anymore after he hung up on me because I said I was at my Dads on new years day, aftwer everything he did to me years ago when my mum left him he should have been bloody grateful I ever had contact with him at all.

Sh*t they're back, will be back tomorrow after free food and free bar......or maybe I wont, I could be in bed!

Love to all xxxxxxx