June 08- the shoes, the food, the glamour!

[pureeandpearls]

Struggling to load pages these days and saw we were over the 900 so took the liberty of starting a new thread.

Neenz That's going to be really lovely having your mum so close by.
My SIL moved to Oz this year. Her children are going to have a much better quaility of live than they had here, as they have bought a much nicer house than thye could have here, it's in a beautiful area and she has a huge family close by who are very helpful.{ersonally her being out there doesn't effect me, dp's sister, but I think it's a shame for my children not to have any cousins nearby.

ktpie DS is always playing with our oven, thankfully he has not switched it on but I always need to check it bofre I trun it on as he hides things in it!

The girls school is having a Roald Dahl dressing up day today and I am very proud of the girls costumes, they are Violet and James and the giant peach. Must remeber to take some pics!

Neenz good luck with the test, you are so good holding out until tommorow - I would be chcking every wee!

Aternoon all! Disappointed to see that my 4am post didn't save properly! In it I said hi to deb as i'd been wondering where she was. DH was away again last night and S ended up in with me at about 3am. However, he managed to fall out of the bed with a thump so after I consoled him I spent most of the rest of the night trying to make sure he didn't fall out again. Anyone else's babies sit straight upright and then throw their head towards the foot of their bed/cot in their sleep?!

Still feeling poorly so still off work. Went to the docs today finally as I've been concerned that this and other recent spells of feeling unwell could be side effects from the mirena coil. She thought it would be unusual if it was, but then she thought it was unusual that I was having such lengthy periods too. They've taken some blood to check for any underlying conditions. Was a bit freaked out because she casually mentioned one of my symptoms (which is a bit TMI to share) is experienced by women coming to the end of their periods, but tbh I'm not sure if she meant that's what could be the problem or if she's testing for it (can you test for it?). Anyway, promptly came home and burst into tears. Wish DH was here .

However, in much happier news, I had to take S to nursery this morning and he went off quite happily - not a single tear. Yay! It only took 6 1/2 months. I'm sure that being in with the 1 - 2 year olds and out of the baby room has made a massive difference.

I think I missed out on some words chat. S's vocab (for want of a better word) consists of hiya, bye (new this week), all go(ne), daddy and oh oh. Dearest DH has been trying desperately to teach him to say mummy. Bless.

Ktpie and Amber - S is always finding bits of food on the floor. I tell myself it's good for his immune system

ktpie sorry about the backache. Have you tried the old pillow between your knees trick?

Fingers crossed for neenz and everyone ttc this month.

Puree you are mad as a box of frog organising a party for the under 2's. Put your feet up woman!

BDQ, sorry you felt sad after the doc's trip. And that you're ill and your DH is away . I think they can test for the menopause, but I am sure those symptoms are due to lots of other things too not just that. Much more likely that it is the coil. Hope so.

Puree, how old are the kids at the party? Will they be able to sit still for pass the parcel?

I am not testing every wee cos I will be gutted if I have spent £5 on two tests and get negatives . The only thing more depressing than not being PG is to waste money on HPTs to confirm the fact

Thanks Neenz. Am sure I'm just living up to my talk name, I'm not sure what came over me! I'm quite sure now she didn't mean that she thought it was symptoms of premature menopause - I just think it was in the back of my mind. Deb mentioned it recently and it reminded me that my mum's started prematurely and I think overall I was just feeling sorry for myself

On the plus side Neenz, when you do get a positive, yu can blow £15 on one of those digital ones that tells you how pregnant you are (speaks from experience: wasn't going to waste that kind of money if I wasn't sure )

The kids at the party will be 5 weeks- 2 years. Mostly same age as the Pocket Dictator or above, and have had some success with parcel-passing at other parties, so long as it was parentally assisted (am just making up words now!)

BDQ- so sorry that you are ill and on your own. It's really tough being a 'single parent'. Hope that at the very least your illness gets resolved quickly ((hugs)) You have given me hope on the nursery thing though- CJ is moving up to the Toddler Room next month and having heard your success, I'm hoping that I'll have similar joy. I can count the number of times I've left her when she hasn't cried on one hand.

ktpie- sorry you are feeling the strain. As everyone keeps saying to me "Never mind, not much longer now" WTF is that supposed to mean and how is it supposed to help?? And LMAO at Neenz who thinks that having a singleton will mean she sleeps until the end..............

Goingto- tell us more about the costumes.

[Puree impatiently waits for the little Halloweeny emoticons to arrive- remember last year when PP used them all in a post just to test them out.]

If sleeping is bad with a singleton think how bad it was with twins!!

I have nightmares dreams about going for my first scan and the woman saying 'are there twins in your family...?'
And I shout 'Nooooo!! Don't you tell me there is another set of twins in there!

The digital tests are not for me - I know when I OV'd and I know when my last period was - so there's not much more they can tell me [smug]

I actually get quite mad about the amount of money the HPT companies must make out of people's desperation to get PG. I have bought tests off the internet for 40p each (and they gave me a positive at 10DPO with the twins) so why does it need to cost £8? I noticed the ovulation sticks cost £15.99 for five in the chemist today

Sorry, soapbox... off

BDQ, it's hard not to worry when docs make throw away comments like that isn't it? I 2nd what Neenz says about it being far more likely to do with hormonal changes connected to the coil though.

Oh, and if we're having competitive non-sleeping competitions Neenz, I'll see you your twin pg and raise you SPD!! I don't think I've had a pain free night's sleep now for about five months . Anyway, what would be wrong with two sets of twins? Perfect family in two pgs? Result! Do you have twins in the family or were T & E solely the result of clomid?

Well, hospital this morning - BP back up, platelets down. Both potential signs of PE, but still no budging on the induction . Didn't see my usual consultant but a registrar instead - have to go back to twice weekly monitoring but they are really not keen to act before 39 wks. I tried the argument that A was born healthy and relatively trouble-free at 38 wks but she pointed out (quite rightly) that every pg is different and no guarantee that it would happen this time. They are worried about it ending up in a section or Bill ending up in SCBU. Didn't manage to turn on any tears until I got home and cried all over dh instead!

So, the wait goes on . . . . .

Oh, and totally agree with you on the HPTs - there is no way they cost that much to produce, the mark up must be huge .

just a quick one, off out tonight and realised I've been lurking and not posting.

BDQ they test your hormone levels for menopause in the same way as they would test for ovulation if TTC. It is far more likely to be hormonal effects of the mirena.
[takes off doctors hat]
[is suprised as didn't remember having an actual hat, but have written it so it must be true]
[wonders what her dr's hat should look like]

C has added quite a few more words recently, but my favourite has got to be please, or as the small loud one likes to say "YES BEEEEES" so funny. I bought her a little miss chatterbox hoodie on Monday. it's very appropriate!

hi to everyone else, pasta boiling over....

Aw Viva that is sweet. Esther has been saying 'ee eye ee eye ee eye..' and I thought 'wow where has learned that football song: ee eye ee eye ee eye oh up the football league we go...'!

I have just realised it's from the Leapfrog book they have that sings 'I'm Farmer Tad I have three cows ee eye ee eye oh'

Sponge, Puree, yeah I think you win with the SPD. Sorry you didn't get your induction

Did you hear the reports today that said '31% of women with children would choose to be SAHMs if they could afford it'. I pmsl'ing at Katie Hopkins on FiveLive who said 'well funnily enough when men were asked the same question 28% of them would rather be at home too cos, guess what, working is hard!'

My old high school is on our local ITV news reports tonight - the new headteacher has suspended some pupils for having 'extreme haircuts' (ie a number 2 or shorter ) and then suspended about 70 others for having a sit-down protest outside school. It's exactly the sort of thing I would have done when I was there . Crazy headteacher, I really think she should pick her battles. Storyhere

Sleep?? Sleep?? Ha!! Is B the only one who has not slept through, or anything close to it, ever, not once, not ever?? Sponge, I think you asked, if moving would mean B would finally be in his own room. YES!!!!! But I don't know if I should wait until the Christmas holidays when I'll be off for a fortnight to try putting him in his own room. Any thoughts or suggestions about moving older babies welcome!

BDQ - hope you're feeling better, have a hug. HUG.

Still no talking here.

I'm drinking g&t, watching Mastermind (someone is doing the films of Tim Burton, going to see how many I can get right!), dinner is in the oven and DP is on his way home. Ahhhh.

haven't caught up yet with all the posts but just wanted to say -

whinegums, no, you are not the only one. A has never 'slept through'. He sleeps from 6.30pm until about 11pm and then insists on coming into my bed. From that point he may sleep all the way through until 7am, but on most nights will wake during that time having lost his dummy

Yet, despite this probably sounding like a nightmare to many, to me it is bliss compared to the first 10 months or so

Allnew, that sounds almost exactly like what happens here. And yes, it is bliss compared to the earlier months. B comes into bed with me every night.

Aw, that's not so good allnew and whinegums. Difficult one with moving B into his own room, cos it is all going to be an upheaval anyway moving house, so maybe not the time to put him in his own room as well? Maybe wait a few weeks, or just bite the bullet and do all the upheaval in one go. His sleep won't be helped by being in same room cos you can hear every move of his and he of yours so you distrub each other. Whenever you do it you just have to do it and be strong.

My only advice is be tough, he is old enough now to know you are there, you love him, he has not been abandoned, just put his cot in his new room and put him in it - keep going back in every 5-10 mins (or sit with him if you prefer) until he falls asleep and same if he wakes in the night. Do not get him out of the cot (unless he is really hysterical then maybe PUPD ). Be tough! That's what I would do .

My S I L (I know I said I wouldn't slag her off talk about her here any more but I can't help it. Her DS is 15mths old now and wakes 2-3 times a night. She cuddles or BFs him back to sleep. Well she really wanted to stop BFing him, in the hope that will make him sleep through, well she has stopped BFing him, but now gives him a bottle instead . He is still not sleeping through (surprise)

Sponge - sorry to hear you didn't get your induction

Neenz - good luck for tomorrow

BDQ - when I went on the Mirena coil I bled for about 6 months, then it all calmed down

Rolf - welcome back, I even sent you a message through FB to see where you had got to

hello to everyone else I've missed, Ethan off his food, horrible nappies, but walking , kitchen still unfinished, viewing went well, fingers crossed

whinegums I vote for own room immediately and earplugs for you. Fraser is back getting up in the night after his surgery (we were being soft and getting up with him while he had the hernia) and we're stocking up on earplugs over here. F has slept through from 8-5am so I guess we can't complain though. I love the shocked faces at playgroup when I tell them I've been up since 5....

Had a great nights sleep last night so feel much better today, but the piles are back so not happy about that.

Neenz - remember that a singleton will get big at the end! I think the symptoms all rear their ugly heads earlier second time around, I had morning sickness before I knew I was pregnant this time, last time I was about 8-10 weeks in. Also I don't think it helps that I totally failed to get in any way fit in between pregnancies, was probably the fittest I've ever been before I had J (could happily go out running for an hour or so) and hadn't got round to regaining any of it in between. Tip to those TTC - get fit in readiness.
I loved Brisbane on my brief trip there but we were there in July and wearing shorts and t-shirts, got some very funny looks from all the Aussies who were togged up in winter coats, hats and gloves!

Goingto - J can't open the oven door, yet, but he does put things in the washing machine.

BDQ - when I was on the pill I was getting terrible headaches and, weirdly, bad cold like symptoms every month, knowing a teeny bit about biological stuff I found it hard to relate the cold like feelings to the pill, but it was like clockwork every month, the doctor thought I was a loon but did agree the headaches were the beginnings of migraines and caused by the pill. Your gut instinct that it is related to the coil could be right even if the doctor thinks its unlikely. Can you get it removed?
Haven't tried the pillow trick yet, will dig one out today and put it by the bed in readiness.

Puree - four months is long enough for me! You must have a bit more than that to go as well.

Sponge - how many weeks are you now? Hope they do go for an induction for you.

Whinegums - I would definitely move him straight away. I would say don't overestimate how much upheaval he will feel moving house, he won't understand that the move is for good, won't be emotionally attached to the previous place and won't be worried about the move, it will be like going on holiday for him and exciting and new, all he's looking for is for you to be there and some stuff he recognises, toys etc. J had such a busy and exciting day on moving day that he fell asleep in his pizza at tea time, we put him straight to bed and he had a lie in in the morning so moving day might be the ideal day. I think you are going to have to get tough about leaving him in his cot and to me leaving it until Christmas to move him will just make it harder as he will have had that bit longer to get used to being in your bed. Although I appreciate that's easier said than done.

Sorry about the long post, am skiving off helping DH sort out a load of junk.

Hi all, marking my place here before I fall off the thread! To all those with wakeful babies - Luke wakes up at arounf 4.30 -5 now sometimes goes back to sleep sometimes doesn't. I feel your pain! I also agree with putting him in his own room straight away.

Oh Neenz - any news?

Afternoon all. Thanks for all the messages and support yesterday. Am feeling much better now. Whatever they said at the doctors yesterday I've yet to be convinced that the coil isn't playing a part so will monitor for another month or two to see if I continue to have problems and if so I'll arrange to have it taken out. I'd really love it all to settle down though - the alternative options are hardly desirable. Deb I've had it for a year now, so they were quite surprised to hear that I was still experiencing bleeding at all. I don't want to be in the 1%

Anyway, my plan is to do lots of studying today (for a change) although I have decided to join twitter which is quite distracting . Also, photobox are doing their 2 for 1 photobook offer so some of my time me be taken up with that too.

whinegums I'd go for putting him in his own room straight away too. And get a heart of stone (to go with the earplugs) so you don't succumb to bringing him into bed with you! I'm hoping S will get over his recent night waking/coming into our bed phase after we basically ignored him last night. We both went in once and gave him a quick cuddle, but then turned the monitor off and went to sleep . I always feel guilty doing that and imagine him crying in the night on his own for hours on end, but he's usually fairly perky in the morning so probably doesn't remember it at all!

Best go - I want to have my nose in the books by 2pm and haven't had lunch yet. Sorry for lack of personal replies. Waves to all.

No news. I didn't take a test (well I took a cheapo out of date one, which was negative) because my temp went down today - not right down but down far enough to make me think my period is probably on its way now . It hasn't come yet though and I haven't felt any cramps so you never know - you can get odd temps sometimes that don't follow the normal pattern so if period doesn't come and temp goes up again tomorrow I will do a test then.

Debs, good luck with the viewer! Fingers crossed.

BDQ, what exactly is it you're studying for again?

ktpie - you're right of course! But not many singletons get as big as a 4lb 8oz baby plus a 6lb 2oz baby and two placentas . I am hoping for a nice little 7lb-er this time. I am going to carry it round in a sling - I might even get a little bugaboo and attach my car seat to it and stroll around the village pushing with one hand

Sorry, got carried away with singleton-envy there

Abdn, we were soft with E too when she had her hernia - she used to sleep in her vibrating bouncy chair next to our bed. If we switched the vibrate off she would wake up and cry . She was back to her normal routine three days after the op (she was onyl 12wo tho so a lot different to F)

Sorry to hear you think you period's on it's way Neenz

Sympathies to all those with non sleepers

Whinegums - the sooner the better for the new bedroom sleeping arrangements

Got Ethan's 1st shoes today as snow is forecast for Monday - little brown suede boots lined with lambswool.S and T are both at a sleepover so it is very quiet here as Ethan is in bed, so going to watch tv with Nigel and have a big bowl of ice cream I think!!

J has also never slept through. He generally goes from around 8.30 to 2.30 and then wakes again at 6.30 ish. On a bad night he also adds in a 12.30 wake-up. I have tried leaving him but he just screams more loudly until dd gets woken up. As she has school in the morning I don't think that's fair so have to admit that I do just feed him back to sleep.

Watching Strictly at the moment. Am I the only one who finds Linda really annoying?

Neenz - that's true, even J the heffalump didn't weigh as much as your two combined!

I'd kind of forgotten that one of the midwives said last time that for the next birth I would probably need to be induced early before the baby got too big, she reckoned 2nd babies were normally bigger. It was a struggle for them to get J out, ventuose, forceps and shoulder dystopic so I gave birth in the elegant position of knees next to my ears and a doctor pushing on each leg, lovely. Better ask the midwife next time.

Debs - the boots sound really cute!

Sybil - my friend had a similar problem in that the new baby was waking her older child up so she has really struggled with night waking.