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spongebrainmaternitypants · 09/08/2009 19:37

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PiggyPenguin · 27/08/2009 13:07

I gave up on my playpen and put it down. Once Jamie was walking he went ballistic if I tried to 'trap' him in there. Still, the dining room does look much bigger without it.

Actually he is now working on his sideways/backwards walking. For some reason wwalking forwards just isn't doing it for him at the moment. It does look very comical, especially the sideways walking, right up to the point where he crashes into something and hurts himself.

neenztwinz · 27/08/2009 13:45

Deb that sounds very sensible! I bet Clark's are up in arms he he.

Theo spent all holiday in a pair of trainers that used to be my neice's. He has his own shoes now though . I agree if you can see that the shoe fits properly and supports the foot and the foot is not getting squashed then what is the problem.

poppy34 · 27/08/2009 20:16

Yep deb that programme sounds sensible.

Had fab day at eurodisney- went to see playhouse Disney show and edie went mad for whole thing as it was puppets plus music plus bubbles so thought it was brill. She loved the big characters partiularly donald duck (yes the word duck is very popular). Lovely but tired now. And dsd did brilliantly in her gcses so we are all very proud.

Essie hello - loved your mini thesis. And glad that iestyn in the hardcore non walkers club with us.

Right off to watch bit of tv before early night as dsd ad her chum arrive tomorrow.

AliPalli · 27/08/2009 20:26

Deb that is interesting. Will try and track it down and have a listen (and maybe email to my Mum ). The baking yesterday was a success, and all of the blueberry muffins are gone.

Sybil I think I am the only person I know having some success with a playpen. When I put P in it he has a quick shout, but then sits down and plays with some toys. This is how the vacuuming gets done without P pulling the Dyson over on top of himself.

Essie glad to know you are ok. Good luck with all the book shenanigans. Are you going to have a massive book launch in Waterstones on Piccadilly that we can all get an invite to for our signed copies? That would be a meetup worth travelling from Scotland for.

I enjoyed reading your thoughts on medieval society, especially how differently theft and homicide were viewed. Interesting, as both crimes are forbidden in the Ten Commandments. A very religious society ought to view them as being equally bad. In reality societies adapt their scriptures to meet their needs.

You have got me wondering though about when the concept of "community" as we understand it today came to exist. Possibly in order to have a sense of community an individual must also have a sense of the opposite i.e. that which is private. What you wrote suggests that this was not possible in Medieval Britain. It probably wasn't a reality until the Industrial Revolution. Massive migration to cities meant that everyone no longer knew everyone's business. People beginning to work en mass for cash rather than on the land separated the home from the workplace. This enabled a sense of the public and the private to exist. If you think about the Victorian era this is when philanthropy from a few industrialists begins. Perhaps this is symptomatic of the sense that they had a certain responsibility to look after those who had done less well out of the industrial boom than them. A sense of moral responsibility certainly, and possibly a sense of community/society kicking in too. It is not the Church per se that provides the glue to create a community. However, in the Industrial Age the Church provided a structure that could counteract the break-up of agricultural communities, and an adaptable moral code with which to navigate a brave new world. For example the Temperance movement (abstaining from alcohol) was a Christian movement, and yet in Medieval Times everyone drank like fishes. I seem to recall (Essie correct me if I am wrong) that monks and nuns had huge daily allowances of mead and ale. Basically everyone must have been half cut in Medieval Britain even though it was a deeply religious society. What we can conclude is that Christianity like all religions instead of offering absolutes has adapted through the ages to meet the psychological need for comfort and clarity that we as humans have.

Better stop as I need to cook tea, but there is a whole piece left about where this leaves us today: growing atheism; growing religious extremism; lower levels of happiness amongst people in post-industrial societies etc. I will leave it to someone else to expand upon.

bitofadramaqueen · 27/08/2009 20:54

Ooh this is very grown up. Well done Ali and essie!

neenztwinz · 27/08/2009 21:58

lol at all of medievel britain being half cut! They'd have to be, it sounded horrid . Really interesting thoughts, Ali. I definitely think the philanthropy thing is a point, I wish more people were into sharing their wealth though as so many people have far too much money and buy ridiculous things eg £40,000 toy Range Rovers for their kids. I have been reading a great book called the Economic Naturalist, it is written by an economist/journalist who has a column in the NY Times. He has lots of interesting things to say about taxing the rich and how it would hardly affect the rich as they have so much money anyway, all they will do is buy £15,000 toy cars for their kids rather than £40,000, and then the middle classes won't aspire to £40,000 toys therefore everyone feels better off. Or something like that.

Sounds like you had a fab time at Eurodisney Poppy, glad Edie liked it!

We are going away for the weekend on Saturday as it is our anniversary tomorrow - four years . We are only going to Chester, about 45 mins away . Leaving the DTs with the PILs , but I will miss them actually as they are such great fun at the moment and me and DH have a great time with them. But when we are having our romantic dinner on Saturday I will be glad they are not with us

neenztwinz · 27/08/2009 21:59

On playpens, the DTs aren't too impressed with their play area now, but I can pen them in there for a while if I need to. I just give them the run of the downstairs now - it's not as relaxing cos I have to stand and watch them rather than relax on the sofa but never mind.

ktpie · 28/08/2009 09:17

We didn't get a playpen in the end, instead got a door for the sitting room (this house was lacking in internal doors when we moved in), that way we can contain the mayhem a bit.

Interesting about the shoes Deb. Whilst browsing the web I found a thing on start rite, here where you can measure for shoes using a printed out grid, not tried it but looked interesting.

Poppy - eurodisney sounds like fun.

Ali - feeling hungry now thinking about blueberry muffins.
Your line about societies adapting scriptures to their needs hits the nail on the head for me, it seems to me religion has been used in the past as a way of controlling society and has been adapted to meet the needs of those in charge (eg Henry VIII). I think this is why I am fairly resistant to religions in general, the sceptic in me wonders who wrote/translated/changed religious texts and what their motive was. I think I have been reading too many conspiracy theories and should step away from the soap box!

Neenz - it's a nice idea about taxing the rich but unfortunately they tend to be the ones in power, therefore able to resist increased taxation.
Have fun in Chester, the ILs live there and it is lovely.

Anyone else struggling with containing the little monkeys when using high chairs in restaurants? Somehow we always end up with chairs where the straps have no real effect. Yesterday while having lunch J was standing up in the chair and trying to crawl over the table.

pleasechange · 28/08/2009 10:40

Morning all
ktpie - yep, definitely having containment problems here. When I was visiting my parents I had A asleep in another room in his pram. When he woke up he had unstrapped himself and was standing in the pram rocking it

poppy - eurodisney sounds like great fun. It's definitely getting more fun taking them places at this age!

neenz - weekend sounds good, hope you have a lovely time

raining here today again . Looks like the soft play place again this afternoon, at least A loves it, even if I don't!

neenztwinz · 28/08/2009 10:46

Ktpie I totally agree religion has been used to control people (not to mention all the wars etc ) eg Henry VIII making up his own church so he could get divorced , and it's a real outrage, but for me it doesn't alter the fact that Jesus lived, died and rose again - the rest of it is just humans being humans. We are not perfect unfortunately and it stands to reason that we would try to manipulate religion like that.

I don't know about the rich having all the power - certainly the educated have all the power and the two often go together because of private education, but the middle classes have a lot of influence because of their voting power - but apparently the middle classes when asked if they wanted inheritence tax to be abolished in America, a massive majority said yes they wanted it abolished, even tho it would hardly affect any of them (cos the threshold in the US is over $1m IIRC). A lot of people just think all taxes are bad (but expect public services to be great )

neenztwinz · 28/08/2009 10:49

Ooh forgot to mention, I finished watching Debs' show last night - it was great! You looked so good and the boys were just gorgeous. Stefan (the eldest?) looks just like you Deb. I had to laugh tho when they kept saying ['the Fletchers have just one week to decide where they are going to live' then 'the Fletchers have just one day before the have to decide' - as if they were going to put a gun to your heads and hold you to whatever you said!

Don't you fancy going back to Yorkshire now? I would as you have so many family and friends and it is nice to have them close by, I really miss mine and I am slowly making good friends here, but it takes time. Where you live now looks absolutely gorgeous, did it take you a while to get sorted to move over there in the first place?

abdnhiker · 28/08/2009 14:07

I am now officially gainfully unemployed (is motherhood the ultimate volunteer position? No matter what we all do the night shifts anyways). Anyways, a friend organized a lovely coffee&cake morning with a stay-at-home survival kit for me and I cried! It's been such a long time to get to this point I'm actually feeling more relieved than anything else. And I found out today that our boiler is broken at work and we likely wont have heat for the first part of the winter. Since I don't fancy sitting in a freezing office with mittens on, I think I've made the right choice...

We don't have a playpen here - DS1 hated it so I gave ours away. Fraser wouldn't been keen anyways as he's very upset if he just gets left in a room by himself. It's not that he's clingy, it's that he resents being treated differently from DS1.

Amberc · 28/08/2009 14:35

Ktpie - that start rite thing is crap. I measuresd Lukes feet with it and ordered shoes and i couldn't get them on his feet! When I got them measured by a human he was 1 whole size bigger! (actually maybe it was me being crap but to get it that wrong...?)

Also re containment, Mark and i never take Luke to restuarants. It's not that he would escape but he has a boredom threshold of 5 minutes and would cry to be taken out. Even then he wouldn't just sit nicely on my lap, he'd want to run around! He's always been likr that though (ask any of the London meetup ladies from when we used to have lunches (way before they could even walk!), I was always the one with the screaming child!).

Taxing the rich - good idea but the problem is making sure that the taxes go where they are needed and not misused. That's the hard part (see mps expenses etc etc into infinity)

Neenz - have a lovely anniversary

Aberdeen - glad you are relieved and you have er, is closure the right word? The little party sounds lovely. How wonderful to have a friend like that.

Anyone got any nice BH weekend plans? We are going to see my sis on Sunday in her chocolate box village in the country. Not sure about Monday. Was thinking of Horton park Children's Farm. Been there before and it was great and now Luke is walking I think it would be even better (he loves piggies and there were about 10 little piglets last time)

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pleasechange · 28/08/2009 14:36

good for you abdeen - it must feel strange for you, but I'm sure you have made the right decision for you and your family. And yes, staying at home is infinitely preferable to going out in the cold or sitting in a cold office!

I think I'm going to have to joing the mn search for a great raincoat - just got soaked earlier when out with the pram

pleasechange · 28/08/2009 14:45

x-posted amber

I have another easily bored boy here - the only time I've ever been out for meals was when A would sleep in his carry cot in the pram - feels like many moons ago. Actually, the last time I had him in a restaurant, he was sick all over me and I had to take my top off in the toilets and wear my coat home with nothing under it - maybe that has put me off!

BH weekend - farm sounds nice. I'm hoping to bring A to a little steam train tomorrow

Amberc · 28/08/2009 15:35

Allnew - what a restaurant horror story!

I have a fab rainjacket. Not too pretty looking but on Essie's recommendation I got a North Face triclimate. £140 quid but worth every penny. Keeps me dry and has a fleece that can be detatched so takes you from autumn to winter (warm enough in even the coldest temps) through to spring. it's windproof (whatever that means) and has a good hood with a peak so water doesn't drip in your face.

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Amberc · 28/08/2009 15:36

Ah - the link just takes you to Cotswold outdoor but search and ye shall find...

poppy34 · 28/08/2009 17:07

Rohan also does something similar - very warm and kept me dry despite being soaked in rain. Also roomy enough that can pop edie into it in her sling.

Edie ok for a bit in her play pen (providing isn't hungry or Sick) but not for more than 15 minutes . She is ok for odd restaurant lunch but won't stay in high chair whole time and needs bits to eat and bad mummy time here if really dire I show her mickey or teletubbies on the iPhone or let her play with little toys or read a book(I know not ideal but she is bit young to understand more than finger feeding what we eat IMHO).

pureeandpearls · 28/08/2009 17:28

No playpen here- just enough dog and baby gates to secure a wandering one-year-old!

We do pretty well with restaurants actually. I have learned to tip well and not look at the floor at any point. Cecily ends up feeding herself from all our plates so it's quite messy: we do stick to family-friendly/noisy places and eat quickly though!!

Congrats on your career change Abdn- as you say,it's the ultimate volunteer role! And what a lovely friend.

Amber- I am totally going to have to check out that place- it looks great. Granny M (my mum) is here next week so may take her. Soon we'll be able to go together [Amber rapidly reconsiders her move to Beckenham!!]

Raincoats- I have one from Boden which is fab though you do feel like a bit of a Boden mum wearing it. I highly recommend it. If it's a bit scary, they do a rainhat, which I find ideal for when pushing runningpearls. It stays in the bottom of the pushchair and I can whip it out when the showers start and at least keep my glasses dry!

Ooo- Mister Maker's on. My favourite [worry people.]

poppy34 · 28/08/2009 17:43

I started to worry when I began analysing the handy manny plots and I actually had an opinion on best singers on tikkabilla pearls. And agree that don't look down and there is about a one hour window before all hell breaks lose.

neenztwinz · 28/08/2009 17:56

Puree, I saw that Boden coat in the catalogue and thought it was very nice, but 'shower-proof' put me off, tho I hear elsewhere on MN that it is quite waterproof.

Allnew, there was a thread in style about raincoats a week or so ago and there were some nice ones and not too expensive.

I have an awful bright blue anorak which I bought a few years back for proper walking ie didn't care what colour it was as I would be in the countryside somewhere where no one would see me. But I spent a lot of last winter walking round my town in it with the pram in the rain thinking 'I hope I don't see anyone I know'. I have looked at getting a more stylish coat and a lovely rainhat but the anorak folds up real small and just stays in the pram basket in case of emergencies so it is very practical and i might just stick with it.

Amber, on taxes, the Economic Naturalist says it is not about how the taxes are spent but about making very rich people a bit poorer so they can't spend so much on luxury items. He says the luxury items the rich buy make us all feel we have to 'measure up' so we all then buy things that are more expensive. George Bush instigated around $1 trillion of tax cuts for the richest 1% in the US and he said the cuts would pay for themselves because the rich would be incentivised to make even more money so the economy would improve, but it didn't - the rich just made as much money as before because of course they were making as much as they possibly could anyway. I really recommend the book here. I should start an AIBU thread about this as I find it so interesting but I am too scared to post there . It should be called AIBM (Am I being mad to ask this question here)

neenztwinz · 28/08/2009 17:59

I just have to keep feeding my two to keep them happy in restaurants - tangerines and bit of breadstick keep them entertained for ages.

pleasechange · 28/08/2009 19:18

thanks amber - looks like a really good coat. I may just have to go for the plunge and spend £££ to get a good coat that will last

puree - which boden one, the urban one or the cloud spotter one?

neenz - I think if you were to start a thread about that it would be one of those 700 post ones!

pureeandpearls · 28/08/2009 20:05

Cloud spotter- and FWIW it's like wearing a giant oilcloth. I have been caught out in a Monsoon and was still dry when I got home. Same with the hat (although anything from the knees down needed tumble-drying!!)

pleasechange · 28/08/2009 20:16

thanks puree - can't figure out whether the oilcloth analogy is a good thing or not