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June 08: I see it, I want it, it's mine!

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spongebrainmaternitypants · 09/08/2009 19:37

Welcome to our new thread .

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poppy34 · 26/08/2009 16:58

Thanks for the nice words although did laugh at ktpiesaying her uni memories are hazy- so are mine.

Various links here amber

link one

more info

monitor

bitofadramaqueen · 26/08/2009 18:28

Quick post to mark my place.

deb DH is an expert on all things teachers in Scotland, and you do have to do a conversion course to teach here. However, you don't have to register with the gtc to teach in private schools so that could open up some possibilities. Don't get me started on private schools as employers though...

AliPalli · 26/08/2009 19:46

BTW Essie where are you? You never came to tell us about religion and society. Is everything ok?

Amberc · 26/08/2009 20:17

Yeah Essie - you haven't done the Welsh tourist board for Debs either...

Amberc · 26/08/2009 20:23

Thanks for the links poppy - unfortunately I think I am a 'dry'. Typical!

Amberc · 26/08/2009 20:37

PS - just bought one of those monitors - look great!

whinegums · 26/08/2009 20:52

Where's Rolf as well? Is anyone else MIA?

Dull day here - rubbish weather, so haven't been up to much.

poppy34 · 26/08/2009 21:29

Oh good we can be monitor obsessives together- seriously it's miles easier than anything else and actually shows results. I think I had one positive ovulation stick pre Edie so If evidence wasn't snoring her head off now I would not believe I did. This really helps as after a couple of months you do get a pattern.

Am watching French it's a knockout which involves bull fighting and dancing girls... Only in France.

DebInAustria · 26/08/2009 22:09

Amber/Poppy and others - I found this site helpful when ttc Ethan.

Rolf's on holiday isn't she, don't know how long they were going for though.

Don't know about Essie though?

Essie3 · 26/08/2009 22:11

Lol, did someone call? Thanks Ali! I've been catching up and it's taken ages - I was at my PILs for 3 days, and I've also been not well, but I'm not sick IYKWIM. It's bloody annoying - I'd rather have an illness and be done than this random sometimes headaches, sore throat and (slightly worrying) dizzyness. Also v. tired, and I suspect that's part of this mystery unwellness. Anyhow, I'm fine!

Right, major catch ups to do, but I'm fuzzy headed so apologies to all I've missed or wrongly named!

Allnew Iestyn isn't walking either. It's between you, me and poopy now! I got a bit fed up today because he quite clearly can walk, and does it all the time, but just doesn't do it without holding on to something. So I made him stand all by himself, which he did, and then when I wouldn't hold his hand, he sat down.

Poppy, Amber, can I suggest my herbalist - she specializes particularly in fertility problems (scroll down a bit). She's not weird or hippyish, and basically looks (and acts) like a pharmacist or nurse. She won't mess with auras! No testimonial from me, but I saw her with a different hormonal and liver issue, and one of the side effects of the treatment was sorting out my periods to 28 days like clockwork - and they were never regular before (and they're not at all now either). I was also scarily fertile, but I do wonder whether I am now - I doubt it. Anyway, it wouldn't do any harm, and I always think that something non-invasive which might do some good is worth pursuing. Now I'll butt out!

Deb our recorder machine thingy didn't record! Can someone post a link? I would recommend Wales, but you'd have to be serious about the language, and don't dream of buying a second home in Wales. I'm a hard hitting nationalist.
But LOL at Scotland and the rain - that's something that's thrown at us all the time! It does rain in Wales, not as much in Anglesey as on the mainland, but much more than Essex - I was there with PILs and frankly thought the dryness there was horrid.

I'll keep out of the discussion on medieval society - is there a word limit on posts? I could use 5000 words or so...

Also seeing as I work at an university (and have never technically left university) I'll keep my opinions on that to myself too! I absolutely love my job, but struggle with the political aspects, and academia is basically mean and snobby. It saddens me.

DebInAustria · 26/08/2009 22:12

Ali - well done on the baking - how did it turn out?

Essie3 · 26/08/2009 22:15

Poor show with responses there. Sorry! Sympathies to Sponge and the SPD/Sciatica, and also Sybil - Clarks annoyed me a great deal by not doing shoes in Iestyn's size. What is he, a freak? (I assure you, he's just small!) He has no shoes at all, only socks, although he does have some sandals which I put on him for cuteness from time to time.

Great news Whinegums on the house.

I'm back to Wales tomorrow, so will be able to keep up a bit more. But I might have absences - my second book is being published and I'm in the middle of dealing with that.

DebInAustria · 26/08/2009 22:16

Essie - don't think we could cope with another language so will have to give Wales a miss as a place to live! Hope you feel better soon.

ITV Player for our programme

DebInAustria · 26/08/2009 22:17

2nd book - well done Essie

Essie3 · 26/08/2009 22:19

X-posted twice - hi Deb!

Essie3 · 26/08/2009 22:20

That would be three times - Ktpie and Sponge - you have competition!

bitofadramaqueen · 26/08/2009 22:20

But essie we've all been waiting for you to provide historical perspective on whether communities have always been built around religion. Go on, try itin 50 words

Essie3 · 26/08/2009 23:14

Lol, I'm rarely pestered for medieval history input!
In brief:
The church was central to the community, but then God was central to life, and there genuinely were no non-believers. In all seriousness, all life depended on God, but the people were all bound to the land. A broken leg could kill you, you would probably die at 45, and pregnancy was a death sentence, time bomb style, for 1 in 3 women. No cures for any diseases, and a deep cut could be deadly. So you kind of need something to turn to, and they had no choice: God was it.
(An interlude: almost nobody could read and write, outside of the clergy; so any doubters would be invisible!)

Everybody went to church, then - but it was an extremely hierarchical society, and there was no (or very little) movement. The Four Alls is the important concept here (and a great name for a pub). The king rules for all; the peasant works for all; the solider fights for all, and the clergy pray for all. The peasants would go to church (everybody had to) and it was their day off! But the church itself was a very different setup - the clergy were separated from the people, and your average person would not receive communion on anything like a regular basis. The clergy could be very corrupt too. And the monasteries were a massive movement which had a major impact on everyday life - care of the poor and the sick, a major employer, and colossal landowners.

So in the middle ages, there's no escaping the church or religion. However, I wouldn't say it was something a community was built around; the community existed and the church was an essential part of it. The community existed around the hierarchical setup (in villages) and family.

Other points about medieval society and communities: no privacy, absolutely none. In medieval Wales, the big crime was theft, rather than homicide (for theft there was a death sentence; for homicide it was just a matter of compensation) because it was a stealth act, and undermined the whole trust inherent in society. But basically it would be impossible to live without being part of a community, and everybody had to do their part - the major 'employment' (they weren't paid...) was farming, and it was quite co-operative really (see Domesday book, where the villages are listed and it says how many ploughshares they have, and whether they have a plough - communal) and it would be basically impossible to live independently. The only ones who did that were hermits, but they weren't particularly independent really (sounds odd, but true). You could 'withdraw' and become a monk, but that would immediately plunge you into a community of a different kind, with even less privacy...

So, to sum up, the church was central to the community, and it wouldn't be possible to separate community and church in the middle ages; but I wouldn't say that the church created the community.

Any questions, see me.

neenztwinz · 26/08/2009 23:18

I think the Clarks/Start-rite obsession is a generational thing with our parents. My mum always had shoes with the toes cut out when she was growing up so we always had Clarks even though they were hideously expensive (one week's wages for my eldest sister's first pair - £5!) and they could barely afford it. That's why I suspect it is all a bit of a con which our parents bought into of course wanting to give their kids the best. I think they are good shoes for school etc when you want them to be hard-wearing but when they grow out of them so fast... I think you can get cheap Clark's on ebay if you have the balls to go in the shop, get measured then walk out without buying anything!

Amber, the private appt was through my medical insurance but I think it was about £100 for one consultation then £50 per blood test (I think there were three of them) then about £30 for the prescription for the clomid. I only had one consulation cos I knew the obs as he had done my D&C after my MC .

I am ttc as well now, first month but I have been taking my temps and usually OV day 18 but today is day 19 and my temp didn't go up . But I did have ewcm at the weekend so you never know. You don't ov every cycle so maybe this was one of those cycles. I am trying not to get uptight about it as there is no rush at all, but that is not really in my nature

neenztwinz · 26/08/2009 23:20

x-posted Essie - very interesting!

Essie3 · 26/08/2009 23:27

494 words, btw!

ktpie · 27/08/2009 09:34

Essie - I thought you had swapped us for the treadmill! I found your medieval church bit very interesting as well.

Monitor sounds a good idea Amber.

Neenz - you're right about Clarks, my mum was always a big fan.

Got to remember that I'm going out for lunch today with my old work friends, looking forward to catching up with them.

The sun is shining here this morning, good thing as I have a massive pile of washing that needs drying (such a glamorous life).

abdnhiker · 27/08/2009 10:45

Essie was wondering where you were! Thanks for your comments - it makes me so thankful that I belong to this generation rather than a few centuries ago.

I think the big challenge to communities these days is the lack of integration between different age groups. What ways do we meet and socialize with people of other generations who aren't family members or close family friends? Whereas in medieval times when people lived in tighter communities and worked close to home the very structure of the society integrated everyone (i.e. no commuting). essie am I spouting rubbish?

Shoes I think Fraser needs another pair already We are going to go get him remeasured on Saturday and in the meantime he is wearing an old pair of DS1's. Another £25....

DebInAustria · 27/08/2009 11:38

Shoes - I was just listening to a feature on school shoes on the radio(Radio 4 womens hour podcast from Tuesday this week I think) and the specialist(podiatrist?) said that most parents could fit their own children's shoes, and the most important thing was the style of the shoe - a small heel, support at the back of the foot - no sling backs, a fasten of some sort(buckle, velcro, laces) - no slip on shoes and enough depth around the toe. It was very interesting, she also said shoes didn't have to be leather as modern materials were very good, and crocs weren't too bad apart from promoting a sloppy walking style!

DebInAustria · 27/08/2009 12:59

OMG - Ethan is actually playing alone in his playpen without any tears!!! I am trying to type very quietly