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waitinggirl · 15/06/2009 08:01

i hope people don't mind, i took the bull by the horns and did it. title a bit naff, but more important the thread exists rather than search for a better title. hope i haven't stolen anyone's thunder...

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spotofcheerfulness · 01/07/2009 19:44

Cake looks good to me Kayz. .

EffiePerine · 01/07/2009 20:04

Kayz: that's all good stuff! One of my DH's old colleagues nearly fell off her chair when he told her we didn't have a microwave. But we now have a breadmnaker; DH has been experimenting and has cracked the perfect white loaf .

pmk: best of luck for Paris

Sorry to hear of all the coughy snotty babies. This heat is def not good for little ones - having said that I hear a peep over the monitor so I'd better type quick!

DH off to Henley Regatta tomorrow, lucky sod.

There he goes! Bye for now...

EffiePerine · 01/07/2009 20:22

Right, several choruses of 'row row row your boat' and he's off again. Let's hope he stays asleep this time. DH wants to watch some telly soon so another quick post...

Arti: glad you had such a nice birthday. I hope your DH brings a lovely surprise for you when he gets back!

Veggie: enjoy your night out.

row78 · 01/07/2009 20:41

I've been called an earth mother for breast feeding - which puzzled me, why is it earth motherly to breast feed? And I have 2 slings! I nearly bought another the other day in TK Max because I can move it so he can sit o my hip, I must resist....

I do have a microwave though, and I'm not keen on lentils :-)

traceface · 01/07/2009 20:49

I've done it! I've submitted my application! Yikes. Am having takeaway pizza as my reward
P has already woken up for a good old scream but I managed to get her back to sleep with a cuddle with no boobs! It's hard because I know I need to be leaving her a bit and she needs to learn to settle herself, but I can't do it while she's under the weather because she might really neeeeeeeeeeeeed me!
I made my cheating butterfly cake - I'll try to upload a pic - Lucy liked it so that's all that matters really
Veggie hope you have a nice evening out.

JollyBear · 01/07/2009 20:56

Hello all,

spot That is just awful, how did that not get spotted before?! Write a stern letter to someone to complain, the chairman of your NHS trust perhaps. Absolutely disgraceful.

kayz Your cake looks fine, just ignore your MIL. Homemade will be much nicer than one you can buy. One thing I do every year with Christmas cakes, not that I'm saying that your cake is terrible or anything, it's just an idea - is to wrap a depth of the cake sized wired ribbon round the cake. It looks really good and hides any bumpy icing at the botton. I don't even bother attempting to make the corners look good anymore!

trace Hope L's birthday goes well. Your cake idea sounds great.

arti Glad you had a lovely birthday.

veggie Sorry to hear about DH's job. I love your description of Derby as the bellybutton of the uk. V cute!

It is horribly humid here. DD was sat outside in the washing up bowl today. She loved it! It was like a paddling pool for one .

MomOrMum · 01/07/2009 21:12

Spot - Hope the tongue tie diagnosis gives you some closure re: breastfeeding, but for the pain you must have gone through. If my DS's tongue tie hadn't been spotted on the day it had, breastfeeding would have ended for me too. The breastfeeding pain with a tongue tie was far far worse than my c-section recovery (even with the chest cough that felt like it was ripping my stitches out every time I coughed). It's just not humanly possible to suffer through that for any length of time, especially when they're feeding 12-15 times/day in the early weeks. What matters now is that T is healthy and thriving and if you have another baby some day, you can give breastfeeding another go, but it's all just different ways of getting food into tiny bellies whatever way you can!

tillyfernackerpants · 01/07/2009 21:18

I'll be back with a proper post but just quickly, I'm really worried about the boys room temperature. Its now 33 . I've tried everything - air con, fan, window left open, but ds1 just says its all too noisy! I've just snuck back in now & opened the window a little, hoping that helps but I can't leave it open all night. Any ideas please?

traceface · 01/07/2009 21:24

oh Tilly we're having a similar problem. It's just soooooooooo hot and having the windows open makes no difference. P is in just a nappy and she's still really unsettled.
JB lol at dd in her bowl

row78 · 01/07/2009 21:27

tilly - it's under 33c outside now so I would open all the windows as wide open as possible for as long as possible, including windows in neighbouring rooms. Why can you not leave the windows open all night?

tillyfernackerpants · 01/07/2009 21:33

row I'm probably been stupid about it, but their room is quite easy access from the back if the window is open so I feel a bit uncomfortable leaving it open all night . I've opened all the others I can as well, but yes if it doesn't drop, then I may have to leave it open through the night. Perhaps just camp outside their room?!

trace sorry P is unsettled as well. The ds's are asleep at least, its just me!

cat I'm so for you that the tongue tie wasn't picked up sooner. As others have said, maybe it will give you closure re the bf but I guess it doesn't help much.

veggie hope you have a nice night!

kayz I guess we're all a bit spiritual here then! Just remember some people aren't happy unless they're gossiping about other people & what they get up to.

MomOrMum · 01/07/2009 21:36

I've been leaving the window open all night. Stifling otherwise. Have also been wiping with a cool flannel whenever I go up to resettle him. He is just in a short sleeve vest lying on his sheepskin, no gro bag. Worst case, I would just move everyone into the coolest room in the house, but luckily for us the bedrooms aren't too bad (24 or 25 right now).

I'm planning to go to the lido tomorrow...bet I'll be the only one with that idea!

traceface · 01/07/2009 21:36

I've uploaded my butterfly cake and the birthday girl onto my profile - and a swingtastic Phoebe!
We're having our annual disagreement on the bedroom windows - dh wants them wide open because he can't sleep in the het - I want then closed because my hayfever is really bad. We've been married almost 10 years and we've not managed to resolve it yet!
row hello! I don't think I've said hello to you yet

zoejeanne · 01/07/2009 21:44

hi everyone, have been lurking intermittently so will try to catch up. From what I can remember ...

  • belated happy birthday to arti, what fab mummy friends you have. When my DH goes away for a long period of time I have some fab friends who offer to entertain/feed me and my social life is amazing for week
  • kayz MIL is rude Were you not tempted to reply to her question about getting someone else to do it "well as you didn't offer, I was landed with the job". Much better job than I would have managed, and second jb's suggestion of ribbon, I need use miles of the stuff on my cakes
  • poor MrT with his tongue tie. From what I understand it is so easy to just snip and deal with, yet I know quite a few people who've been to hell and back with it
  • well done to trace on the application, we will keep everything crossed they love you
I know there was lots more but my memory fails me.

My boobs pretty much sorted themselves out by Sunday night, but as I was still having huge temperature swings (went from shaking uncrontollably with cold to thinking I'd wet the bed my sweat had soaked the sheets so much) and feeling generally crap I went to the GP for some ABs on Monday. I made DH take me as I'm very wobbly and actually blacked out very briefly that morning whilst feeding DD, which was v scary. I'm starting to feel slightly better today (although apparently its not normal in a heat wave to wear a cardi and fleece all day) and have enough energy to type at last. My glands are getting more and more swollen though, and really starting to constrict my throat, making it painful to eat and swallow, so might have to go back to the GP tomorrow for something else - but I'm still scared to drive and DH is away. Poor DD is so bored with me

On a positive (I think) note, I might have cracked naps. As I don't have the energy to shush pat or do anything vaguely soothing I've been shutting the door and leaving her to it. And each time after 5 minutes of really low key grizzling she's dropped straight off for an hour or more. So I think I was just annoying her when I tried to help before.

Oh, and I think we're making progress on getting her to drink formula. As she'll guzzle water from anything I've been trying to trick her and have been sliding in miniscule amounts of formula and increasing the 'dose' everyday. She's now onto 2 scoops to about 9oz of water and thinks its fab . Along way to go yet, but if she progresses as well as she has done so far we might be onto something

Night all xx

zoejeanne · 01/07/2009 21:48

And to those suffering with heat - there's a good tip of the day today on the homepage, and yesterday that was a discussion of the day (in chat I think) about tips for surviving a heatwave - some good ones on there. Hope they help x

LadyThompson · 01/07/2009 22:02

Hello girls

Back in the country after a day or two in London.

Spot, I'm aghast about the tongue tie - poor you/T.

Kayz, that jealous old biddy next door should mind her own beeswax.

I haven't got much energy to say much more - firstly we got outbid on the lovely house, and much much worse, after agreeing that I could work part time from home before I started my maternity leave, work have said that I have to be in the office, and even part time in the office will give them a massive problem! Had a ghastly meeting today. They have lied and gone back on everything they said, and I have worked there for 12 years. It is very cruel. Even assuming I could get DD into a nursery for two and a half days a week (assuming they'd let me do that now, who knows) it won't leave me with much after nursery fees and train to London.

I feel incredibly let down. My boss even told me she had canvassed some of the clients to see if they'd mind me working from home (it shouldn't make ANY difference to them) and she reckoned they were all adamant that they didn't want this. If it's true, I have been stabbed in the back by them and stabbed in the front by my sodding employer. All she would say was that she figured I probably wouldn't want to come back to work at all after DD so didn't give it all much thought

Obviously I don't want to go back at all now but I will need to until I find something else as I need the money.

My other problem is that I'm told I am liable for inheritance tax on DH's estate (I KNOW I am exempt from it as a spouse) and so I am in tussles about that - it's all bound up with his yucky ex-wife, so doubly horrid.

I know I have got my health and a lovely family and some terrific friends, and I keep trying to focus on those things, but I have to say I feel rather blue. I know I have got to bounce back stronger, because when the world treads on your face, ultimately you've got to just shrug, smile and carry on (I really do think this) but I feel very, very subdued. There are far worse things to happen (and crumbs, I know what they are) but it just all seems a bit much all at once.

Off to Henley tomorrow. If I knew what your DH looked like, Effie, I'd seek him out

Forgive me for the awful indulgent me post. I know I am not alone with having worries.

Night all

waitinggirl · 01/07/2009 22:15

oh, ladyt - you are always so helpful, gracious, sympathetic, empathetic and downright lovely to us when we have off days - i imagine you will get some lovely posts in response to yours.

poor poor you - that all sounds rubbish. too much stuff all coming at once. i know nothing about employers and returning to work, but that sounds evil and surely illegal - were there any notes made before you went on maternity leave? honestly, what difference would it make if you worked from home - could you canvas your clients as well?

as for the inheritance tax - do you have someone good to represent you in face of HMRC?

try to get a good night's sleep and then see how you feel in the morning. sometimes we need a bit of time to absorb the implications of things, and solutions magically appear to us.

good luck and sleep well, hon.

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MomOrMum · 01/07/2009 22:19

LadyT - No doubt you feel blue. That is a lot of really crap things all at once. Your work situation is really shocking. I am worried that the same will happen to me, but not sure what recourse, if any. I would say that they are treading on thin ice, especially with the comment about you "probably not wanting to come back after DD" and that you would probably do well to get some legal advice? Plus scary sounding tax situation. Plus losing lovely house. You definitely deserve to unload into the MNet basket! Maybe you can channel your frustration into making your employer see the error in their ways?!

tillyfernackerpants · 01/07/2009 22:24

ladyt how horrible for you, all that to happen at once, no wonder you're feeling blue & subdued. Can only second the advice that zj & mom have given, perhaps seek legal advice re work? Was anything put in writing before your ML? I would agree that they are skating on very thin ice . Hugs to you, we're here when you need us.

artichokes · 01/07/2009 22:31

Oh LadyT, you poor girl. What a big load of shit that is all landing on you at once. Why does that always happen - one bad thing always seems to attract another?

Losing the house is disappointing but having lost quite a few recently I have become quite philosophical about real estate and I firmly believe that the home you are meant to have will become available and you will get it. In a few years you will be in some lovely home that feels just right and you will hardly remember viewing this property.

The tax issue needs a hard nosed lawyer to intervene. Does your DP know someone?

Now the job thing is just horrific. It is cruel and heartless and heartbreaking. And is it even legal? I mean can an employer agree to something at the start of a maternity leave and then rescind the offer after you have made plans based on the commitments already made? And I am sure it is wrong for a boss to admit they had never planned for your return because they had assumed motherhood would take you away from your career. I have no idea whether you would have the stomach for a legal fight if you did have a case but I just can't stand the idea of them getting away with treating you like this. I think that one of our new girls Spiggy said that she was an employment lawyer or employment rights advisor. Spiggy are you there???

Big hugs Lady. I hope your DP is being lovely and supportive and that little O is helping you through with a few gummy smiles and adoring looks.

notjustanumber · 01/07/2009 22:35

LadyT I am really appalled at how you were treated in that meeting and the things your boss said to you ! Is there anything agreed to in writing before you left ? I dont know how the law works with this, unfortunately, though I did think that you could apply formally for any working pattern and I did think they had to formally evaluate it and then come up with proper proven reasons as to why your request couldnt be accomodated.

I dont know exactly what your job is, and it might not help to say it, but I think you deserve better than this. If this is the way your boss treats her employees, especially such a long standing one....

My mum used to say "These things are sent to try us". I dont know why that helps me, but it kind of does. Perhaps something good will come out of this, even though it doesnt seem like it at the time - a new and exciting job ? A career change ?

I'm sorry to hear about your house and tax issues too. I'm sorry I can offer no more constructive help than to say I am thinking of you, and hoping that three bad things have come in a row and now something brilliant will happen to make up for it....

notjustanumber · 01/07/2009 22:37

Zoe hope you feel better soon, that sounds quite scary...

sybilfaulty · 01/07/2009 22:52

Dear LadyT, I am so sorry to hear of your horrible day. Your employers simply cannot behave like that. Do you have any personal records of what they said and when? I am sure your DP knows people, but if not I can recommend an excellent employment lawyer who would be able to advise you on the ins and outs. I am so sorry about the HMRC thing as well. They are tricky buggers to deal with IME and it is so difficult to make any headway with them quickly, and I remember you saying that this has gone on for some time. If there is anything at all I can do to help with legal stuff, please do text. Other than that, I can only second what WG said about how terribly much you have contributed to us all and what a kind and thoughtful friend you are. We are all here for you, sweetheart, and will offer you whatever we can in terms of support, as you have to so many of us. Big love to you.

Lovely cakes, Trace and Kayz. Very impressed.

I have today found the most lovely childminder for M on a Wednesday. She too co slept, BF past 12 months, used slings and wove her own lentils, so does not think I am a weirdo and is right up my alley. M will love her. Not too bad on price either. Just young Lucy to sort and we are away. Kayz, your neighbour needs to get out more - she should be celebrating what a fab mum you are in doing these lovely things for your children rather than criticising.

I really love the way on this thread we are all so different and yet so accepting and supportive of each other. Long may it continue.

Am shattered so off to sweat it out in bed. Night night my lovelies.

LadyThompson · 01/07/2009 23:10

You are all so incredibly kind.

I feel like I have chucked a couple of lead weights into the basket

I am sad about the house - it was (potentially) gorgeous and I wanted it so, but like you say, Arti - one has to be philosophical. We live in a one a half bedroom flat here and my flat in London is a small one bedroom too, but that's still two rooves over our heads. That's so much more than many people.

But the job...there wasn't anything written down, but we even talked about how it would work and which clients I would major on. It is not really news to me that my employers are as ruthless as it gets, tbh, but this is going it even for them. I'm a literary agent, NJAN, and my job is reading and working on scripts and novels editorially, finding homes for them with publishers and broadcasters and doing the deals and then negotiating the contracts. Apart from the odd meeting there is NO REASON why I can't work from home as it's all phone and email. My boss, I note, asked a handful of clients only (we don't have too many any) but I note she asked the ones that I know wouldn't stick up for me, being entirely self-interested. I don't feel I can mention it to the ones who I think would be disgusted, as I feel it would put them in a difficult position - like me as I think they do, some of them have been with the agency for decades and would worry about going against the wishes of the owners of the company.

There is no automatic right to going part time, I have found out; just a need to offer 'flexible working', whatever THAT means. Even if I suggested redundancy, I have also learned that the statutory minimum (and they would only pay that, I am sure) is one week's pay for every year you have worked there, and that isn't enough.

I told her I didn't feel at all valued, that it was a rotten trick and so on, but she had nothing to say.

I have a friend who is a swishy employment lawyer and if I said the word he'd be on to them, I am sure; but a) I don't think I have got a leg to stand on unless they say my job is no longer open and b) I do need to work there until I find something else and threatens of tribunals will make it impossible. I support my late DH's father financially as he hasn't a bean and can't manage on his old age pension, and didn't get anything from DH's estate, so I need money for that as well as mortgage in London and all the rest of it.

As to HMRC, I have been blaming them for shorthand - it is really lawyer for Estate who is out of his depth and in the pocket of late DH's ex. I have been researching various bits of caselaw with DH's help and I actually think HMRC will be on my side - the tax does have to be paid, just not by me. DH's estate has been the subject of legal wrangling for four years as he died intestate and there's been lots of nastiness.

Like I said, I am hugely fortunate in comparison to millions. DP does his best to be supportive, he really does, and cares so much, but he's not really the empathetic type. But yes, DD is a great comfort.

I do a bit of journalism but not enough to pay much and have writing projects on the go but as I know from my day job, they are nothing to be counted on until the day you sign a contract.

I think the thing that bothers me the most is the complete dearth of any loyalty from work. I am not perfect by any means but I do know I am scrupulously loyal myself and it just feels like such a kick in the teeth.

Anyway, I have whinged quite enough! Glad to hear better news from you, ZJ. And so glad you had a nice birthday yesterday, Arti.

I am taking myself off to bed to read a book and try to forget about all this MANURE...

pmk1 · 02/07/2009 00:51

Lady it very late and I should be asleep since everyone else is but just read and i'mat your employer....If they are suppose to offer you flexible working, what did they offer? Sorry if you did say - i'm tired, but at first glance it seems like they really didn't think you'd be returning, and perhaps someone is eyeing your job? I'm going to re-read in the morning....
I'm also after the Hewitt / Roddick match (sorry Kim!)
And everyone else.... I'm not just going to Paris hoping to get you know what!!!! I'm meeting family there!! Oooh the pressure!
veggie - he sseemed to know about that place and yes we will do our best! i will have to re-read your post again too. My eyelids are heavy... why am I such a night person, i'll be all over the place in the morning and need about 17 coffee's to wake up!