Dec 08- Must keep chocolate & cheerfulness near, teething time is nearly here!

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Right.... back to post the link now!

Poor wg. I have this too, but not usually more than one night on the go as I am so knackered the second night. I usually can't sleep for thinking when DS might wake up. I even tried getting DH to tell me about trains one night but it didn't work.
E has second jabs today, not looking forward to them.
pmk what is wrong with microwave sterilizing? I know some people think dishwasher isn't as good but I have heard that is ok as well. I think you do have to be careful with milk bottles as stuff can breed in the milk that is dangerous, but re dummies, etc, E puts everything in his mouth so I can't see the difference.
veggie i will tell DH about the trailer thing. He is being a bit of a pest about it all to be honest. I love the trailer but I think we should take it easy.
spot sorry about your bum! Made me laugh though. I am also super soft on E now, I am getting worse. He giggles and it is just too cute.

Thanks for sympathy yesterday - and arti you were absolutely right in things I needed to feel better. Have slight obsession with healing properties of bacon sandwich.

We've got jabs today too (v late - am slack mother). I hated hated hated them with DS, but with DD I think perhaps because she was actually ill, I've been much better. It really helps me to think what if I lived somewhere that didn't offer vaccinations - you'd bite someone's arm of if they could protect your baby against these nasties.

Oh and I meant to say Effie we've put DD in the seat of the P&T already - didn't have much choice as she doesn't really fit in the cocoon anymore and I was worried about squashing her head. I don't leave her in it for long though.

wg sorry you've not been sleeping. It helps me to listen to the radio (on headphones) - you can hear some cracking stuff on the world service even if it doesn't help you to drift off. Bedside digital radio was one of best things we bought after having DS - made nights a little more bearable.

Spot ouch - you poor thing. I dread to think the things I used to say/presume about people with children before I had them.

Also do any of you know what an elephant seal sounds like? DS is keen to establish and not buying my damp elephant noise.

Right. Coffee. A lovely organic coffee place has opened near us. Highly unlikely but we're going as often as possible in hope it stays open (so you see I'm doing it for the greater good - not because I can't be assed to make my own - spend for Britain girls).

SL nothing at all wrong with microwave steralizing. I don't have an actual container for it though, i just use a bit of water etc, and steam it that way so guess what I mean is, I don't use a specialized microwave steralizer etc

Lal How do you put DD in the seat? DS2 does not fit in his cocoon at all. We just put him in the seat laid flat when DS1 walks but I'm a bit worried about putting him in the seat with DS1 above him.

We bought the sleeping bag - which makes it a bit softer and less upright. She seems fine in it - and quite likes looking about. I do worry about her neck and being in it too long though - so don't leave her to sleep in it once we're back in the house.

Morning everyone, I'm so far behind with this thread it's a disgrace.

Good going with the potty training Arti, it's no fun I know. I trained DD back in October but I'm still carrying around a travel potty as she refuses to use a loo! I would definitely recommend a travel potty as an aid to getting out and about again. I inherited mine from my SSIL but I think they have evolved now so you can use them as a potty or a trainer seat. With the poos, don't worry yet, it's still early days. Once DD had done it once in the potty (and cried as if it was the end of the world) she got over it. Anyone who has any tips on getting DCs to use the loo, please share. I do have a trainer seat for the loo but she still refuses.

Trace how is the bottle going? I expressed for the first time today and tried to give it to DS in a bottle. Do they need to learn how to drink from a bottle? DS didn't have a clue and then swiftly got very cross.

Oh great, someone's doing very noisy DIY outside and woken DS. Back soon.

I think as long as you use one of the higher temperature settings and use the top shelf.

SL I wouldn't let your DH make you feel you are getting boring, he is into trains! I know what you mean though, I find it hard to make people separate me from being a mum. Many of my pre mum friends have gone home or are still in London but also some of the ones who I could still see a lot of treat me quite differently now as if I have somehow changed. I don't really feel I have changed (well not my mind anyway) but some speak to me very differently like I might get upset if they swear or talk about raving nights out, things we used to do together, like I might now dissapprove. Does that make sense.

Trace ds2 woud have been due this week except he had the chicken pox so they had him wait til he was completely better. They told me last time that the 3rd set now needs 3 injections. I am not looking forward to that. With ds2 they did 2 and that is hard enough but 3!!!! I feel like he is going to be mad with me.

Morning girls

Was in the Big Smoke yesterday. Went to a couple of galleries (I like the Photographers' Gallery, always go there) and then to see The Boat That Rocked...which was in my opinion rather poor.

No idea what an Elephant Seal sounds like, Lal...but I did think of you when I cut through Greek Street.

WG - I sympathise - if I wake up in the night I have a devil of a job getting back to sleep, even if I am really tired, as my brain starts fretting and whirring. Deep breaths and a conscious effort to clear your mind are slightly effective.

Well, DP got back from Cotswold Beer tasting absolutely roaring drunk on Saturday night. No surprises there. He made a very long speech in a Leslie Phillips sort of voice saying things like "You are everything to me......I could throttle you sometimes...you frustrate the hell of of me ackertually......but I have loved you since the day I met you..." So I suppose I have to forgive him Also I think my being away yesterday from first thing in the morning to last thing at night genuinely concentrated his mind a little.

Daisy, 6.30 in the morning is very keen and I don't much like being woken up either, but you know, it's kind of flattering as well!

Welcome back Summer.

Spot, glad you are managing to sit down!

Jump, I can't think of a better starter than ones already suggested. Er...lots of nice dips? Nigella I ain't...Quail eggs with little piles of peppered rock salt,
they always look elegant.

Right, must have a more productive day. I may be off to London again tonight - just waiting to hear from friend/associate. If I do see him may go off to nets practice of my cricket team as well. Hey, it will be nice to see some of you on Weds, must check out meet up thread.

I heart the photographers gallery I used to be a Friend of the gallery and go to previews of the exhibitions with a friend of mine and we have some cheerfulness. I loved their cafe too.

I love your DPs very heartfelt speech Lady very sweet.

Yes, he's a good egg really, Veggie.

The Photographers Gallery has moved from by Leicester Square to Ramillies Street off Oxford St - bigger premises and more convenient.

Oh that's good as it was a bit pokey before and over the 2 areas with that bar or whatever it was inbetween. In my previous life as a budding photographer I dreamed of having a little exhibition there.

Morning all,

Re potty training - the best advice I got was that when they are ready it will all fall into place. We tried to train our girls (I guess doubly hard with two!) at 2.2 months, 2.4 months, 2.6 months without success and with a whole load of washing and frustration on all sides.

When they got to 2.8 they got it almost overnight. We got them charlie and lola pants (my one concession to branded clothing to their dismay) and told them that charlie and lola would not want to get their heads wet. They were dry so quickly it was great - I wish I'd just waited rather than stressing out myself and them.

I feel a bit guilty about my amazing self-settling baby, I literally feed her in the night and she goes straight back to sleep til morning. However, I feel I deserve some good sleep karma after the nightmare few months I had with the girls!

Arti - well done you for doing so many constructive things in one day. Whenever I take all three girls out by myself for the day I feel so ridiculously proud (although a little ga ga with adrenalin), especially if DD3 is on a feeding jag, DD1 is tantrumming about wanting her sisters socks and DD2 is complaining she is hungry again after an enormous lunch!

hello!

sorry for the naff night WG. Hope you manage to get more sleep tonight.
I went to under 1s group this morning and one lady was saying she's started weaning her dd (17 weeks) because she's stopped sleeping through. I could have cried. I didn't tell her that P has never done better than 2 feeds in a night - and that's a good night! Funny how they all differ so much.
I have got a rock solid lumpy boob again today - presumably from P's recent extra hungry nights - am really hoping I don't get mastitis again. I think I may be storing trouble for myself with expressing and trying a bottle each day. I express then try to give it then when she refuses i feed her from my boob, so in fact I am stimulating milk production in excess of what she's drinking. Seeing as she point blank refuses the bottle I might stop if it's going to give me too much milk. I will just accept that she is boob-dependent from now until whenever. I just hope she'll take a beaker before I go back to work.
Got a headache today and just want to sleep. DH is out tonight which means I can have a guilt free early night
Jabs very soon...am taking Lucy too because she wants to watch (!) then we'll go to the park as it's so lovely and sunny! Hurray for spring. I was thinking at 5am how lovely the birds sounded

Hello All!

veggie I think DH realised that any nookie will only follow me having much sleep, as this morning I woke at 9am DH got up with DD and then when DS woke he only brought him to me when he was ready for a feed. However, he still got none

DS woke 4 times last night!!!! He settled once with the dummy but I had to feed him on the other occasions. I don't know whats changed. I am hoping for a growth spurt that will settle (aren't we all ). A few people have said 'oh he's obviously ready for weaning' But I just fail to see how a bit of baby rice once or twice a day is going to make a difference. I like to think that he loves me so much that when he wakes he just wants to see me!

wg my sympathies hon.

spot ouch!!!!!

Right off to do some number ccruching to see if we can afford for me to go back to work 2 days instead of 3!!! I'd push for leaving completely but thats not going to happen!

Can you tell who it is yet?

Bookmarking for later - hope you are all well.

Afternoon,

My brain isn't working so no guesses from me about Glenn

Just started painting the bathroom and I hate the colour. I picked the bloody colour too but it just looks awful on.

Ooh, I love a mystery, Glenn!

I reckon it's Syb but why would she change her name? Unless Spot is on the Wagon.

Off to London in an hour. Cheerio girls. I have to finish work on the train, be all sparkling as I have drinks with someone important who is going to advise me on my sagging career. Then go up to Lords to watch my boys do their cricket practice. I'm tired at the thought of it all, tbh. Right then

My vote is for syb too. London girls am going to check out cafe situation tomorrow and then let you know options. Have posted on meet up thread. Still reckon we should go for Hyde Park - but will suggest somewhere that is open

veggie haha I shall remind DH that he likes trains next time he says mean things! It is a very good point.
I was going to vote for lal as the name changer, damn foiled, I must be wrong!
kayz Sorry about the bathroom. We have done that before. We gave up and repainted straight away though obviously it was painful both time-wise and cash-wise. But if you are sure you don't like it...prob best thing to do.
DS has had his injections. He seems fine at the moment. In fact he is chortling away.

ladyT bless your DP and his soppiness. Sorry about his mate though, he sounds like a pain in the bum. I guess you just have to put up with the odd friend of your other half who you just don't like. Having said that I really didn't like lots of my DH's friends when we first got together (like him but geekier, and a bit cliquey), but they have grown on me.

I will also go for Syb too then.

Just checked the paint and I still don't like it. I do have some normal white paint that I could go over it with.

I am annoyed. Bloody HV rang to ask if I started weaning DS2 yet. He is only just coming up to 4 months old.

Hello ladies,

DD is really suffering with her teeth today . Does Bojela work or should I go with calpol? I'm trying to get her to nap but vigorous dummy sucking is making her cry but she cries more if I take the dummy away. She has an inflamed lump in her gum at the side now, surely not more teeth already .

arti I did the same thing as Trace's L when I was being potty trained, my mum said she was frightened of what might greet her my first morning without a nappy but I'd obviously lost the noctural pooing urge!

trace I'm taking DD on Wednesday for her jabs and feel just like you do. I'm dreading it, 3 injections . Hope P is OK and L enjoyed watching!

zoe Wow rolling already. I'm scared of DD getting mobile!

daisy at your DH waking you up!

ladyT Congrats on your win! Are you treating yourself to anything special?

DD is not settling into this nap well, best walk her round. Bye for now.

it's syb for sure - rhinestone cowboy and all that...

thanks for the sympathy - the bad sleeping has also been on top of/the cause of a dreadful sunday where both dh and i ended up in tears - we were both feeling independently dreadful about life (and always on such a beautifully sunny day - somehow makes it worse) and couldn't work out why - and then we just miscommunicated about everything and had a near-miss row. just tired tired tired. but managed to get to ikea today, have a walk wiht a friend and jher toddler and am now awaiting a couple of visitors and then a friend is going to man the baby monitor while dh and i get to GO OUT AND HAVE SUPPER TOGETHER up the road. this lovely friend offered to sit in for us - let's hope we aren't too tired to take her up on her offer.

Ahh WG what a lovely friend! Make sure you take them up on the offer, the break will do you both good I'm sure.

Trace sorry to hear you've had to give up on the bottlefeeding. I hope she get on better with a beaker later.

WG I hope you have a lovely time tonight. What a kind friend you have.

Jolly would that make 3 teeth? Your DD doesn't mess about does she?

Kayz at your HV. Is she crazy?

Glenn, I give up, who are you?

Must get on with baths now as I'm off to band tonight.