March 09 - The spring babies have sprung

[jollyjoanne]

Thought I'd start us up a post-natal thread for the new mummies of March 09 (or thereabout!)

Not a bad weekend, but today has been horrible. Mae did not settle well last night and has basically done nothing but cry today. The only thing that is settling her is jiggling her around or being in the car but it has meant that I am now knackered. So definitely not feeling my normal cheery self today. Have had to resort to infacol already.

I am also planning to return to work in Sept, can't afford to be off any longer either, as again I am the main earner in our household. Fortunately, my mum and potentially my MIL will being doing some of the childcare for us. Not sure I am cut out to be a SAHM, but I do want to go back part time if work will let me.

jolly much sympathy, G has been going on like this for about a week.

I finally cracked and took him to the doctor today, and he's been diagnosed with possible reflux. Gave him his first dose of Baby Gaviscon this evening and he's settling beautifully.

Also dusted off DS1's old bouncy chair to sit him in post-feed (and so he can see me, even if I'm just washing up!)

Boobz
In a similar position to you, am normally the main wage earner and previous to DS2, DH was a SAHD and worked weekends. While I'm on mat leave he's gone back to full time shifts, but for us to have 2 kids in childcare (and with DS1's specialist nursery and billions of appointments, it'll have to be a nanny or CM) would be so prohibitive I'm not sure if it's worth us both working full time. I'm due to officially go back in July but will be extending to Jan or March.

sorry to hear about hte non-settling babies. Ihave one too most of the time although that said, L has been asleep for a good couple of hours which has been nice (although starting to groan now !)

Boobz - I have been a SAHM for over 4 years. I didn't really start out with that in mind. I knew I didn't want to go back to the job I was doing (accountant in the city) as it meant long hours, ability to travel at drop of hat and stay away for weeks on end if necessary plus longish commute and DH works long hours so it would have all fallen to me. That said, I thought I might look for a more local job after a year but I found that I quite enjoyed being home with dd and as long as I kept myself busy didn't find it boring. I used to have a really packed week with dd once she turned 6 months - swimming, music group, one toddler group, regular friend meet ups. Then I intended having DC2 a lot sooner and it took us a long time so wasn't any point in returning. Now DD2 has come along and I'll start all over again !

Last week I enquired at our leisure centre as to how long the waiting list was for baby swimming classes (which start at 6 months). I was told a year and to sign L up now so I signed her up last week at the tender age of 2 weeks.

Hey lovelies! Babies were very obliging and gave me a 2 hour lie-in for my birthday today, I'm now officially 29!

Baby Gaviscon seems to be working for DS2, but DS1 keeps hopping in the baby seat whenever it's free.

I've got the settling problem too. The only thing that's working at the moment is the Baby Bjorn - guess it's like being back in the womb again! I do remember this stage with DD1 and by 2 months she was going to bed in her crib at 7 with no hassle. Seems like forever when you're going through it, though, doesn't it? Am longing to be able to have an early night - essential when you've got to be up at 7 with energetic 2 year old.

Hi all, really enjoying catching up on all your news of your little ones.
Regarding co sleeping DS2 slept on me skin to skin in hospital for the first 2 nights and we have been co sleeping since getting home. I love it and sleep much better cuddling him than without him. With DS1 had him in a Moses basket beside the bed but I'm getting much more sleep this way. Bought 3 in a bed book from ebay and am reassured this is safe and the right thing for us.

On a less positive note I cant choose a name for him that we agree on. Ive been calling him alfie but DH, DS, mum, dad and gran all dislike this name. DH left work for 2 hours today to drive me to the registrars office but when we got in I backed out as I couldn't decide between alfie or samuel, rather embarrassing but the registrar said it wasn't the first time this had happened DH rather cross at me! The problem is he has become alfie to me, however I think samuel is a nicer, more flexible name and possibly better for an adult, any opinions welcome!

Elsy - I think a sling would suit dd2 too and help her be a bit happier in the day but can't use one yet due to c-sec which is a shame because I am desperate to use it because it was one of the few new things I bought for dd2 and its a gorgeous colour (shallow - moi ?! {grin]). I'm sure I don't remember dd1 being this unsettled but suspect over the 4 years since I'm now looking back with rose tinted glasses and she was probably much the same this early on.

What a dilemma Pipsy - hmm don't know what to suggest. It must be hard having been thinking he's Alfie. It wouldn't bother me what anyone else thought other than dh and in fact, we wouldn't discuss names either time with anyone in case they expressed an opinion !! However, I have to say if DH didn't like it I'd find it hard to insist on it (I didn't get my favourite girl's name and neither did DH as we couldn't agree). COuld you use Alfie as a middle name ? Although its not the same.

We registered Lara today. Can now get on with all the official things !

Why not have samuel as a middle name? Then he has a more flexible adult name if he wants it? Plus I love Alfie.

Molly doesn't have much of a routine either, generally she sleeps through the whole day, with one feed around lunch and then is up every hour through the night.

Last night was terrible though - she was feeding a lot (BF) falling asleep at the breast (she always does this...) then when I put her down she'd wake up hungry again almost immediately until she'd had so much she was sick all over everything. Happened three or four times and it's safe to say me and DP are totally shattered today.

She also spends a lot of time sleeping in our bed... I don't know much about co-sleeping though, anybody got any links? During the day if you put her down while she's asleep she'll just keep sleeping there, but at night half the time she will only stay sleeping if she's in with us. To start with I couldn't sleep because I was worried about squishing her, but am so tired now can just sleep normally. I think of myself as moving around in my sleep a lot - but I don't seem to when she is there.

On the feeding front... I am going through bra's at a rate of knots because one breast leaks almost constantly, it's alright if I just keep changing pads constantly through the day but when I am sleeping obviously I can't, and I wake up soaked clothes and feeding bra and my breast is starting to get itchy at night. Everything is going so well with feeding I don't want the dampness to lead to mastitis or similar... anybody have any ideas??

Thanks to Corgi I will double post - Glad to have found you all:

Hey Y'all! I've finally made it back from my 6 week internet purgatory and I've missed you all - and so much news and so many births!!

BUT - Pleased to announce the safe (and very quick) arrival of Nicholas Edward Vaughan, born March 10th, 7lb 13oz. 11 DAYS LATE!!!

I had a sweep the day before and while I had some regular contractions in the following 24 hours it didn't really get going until the tuesday afternoon and I managed to get the kids collected and ushered off to my folks thinking I didn't want to be labouring all night with them in the house. However, an hour later I had my tens machine on as the contractions were very sore and about half an hour after that I was in the car on the way to hospital shouting my head off in pain as the contractions were coming so quickly. When I got to the hospital, they handed me gas 'n' air immediately and had my waters broken straight away as that was the only thing holding him in. That next hour was mental - sorry for those who are still to pop - but I can't believe how much it hurt and I knew it was too late for any pain relief and I was making noises I didn't know I was capable of making!!! And when the head came down, feeling like a bowling ball, I thought ' YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING ME!!!!' Then I started shouting, 'Ring of Fire, Ring of Fire!!' (All these things I had heard about but hadn't experienced having had two VERY long labours before and epidurals) then the head was out and then the rest of him and I have never been so relieved in my life - and VERY chuffed with myself as I never thought it would be so quick and without any real pain relief. So felt pretty darn proud! And he is the image of his oldest sister when she was born. But with a boaby obviously. So, really, 4 hours once things got going. I had a lot of stitches as he came out with his hand up. He's a lovely wee thing tho.

Subsequently, I had a nightmare with the breastfeeding - despite best efforts again - mastitis in both breasts and cracked and bleeding nipples, antibiotics, pools of sweat, shivers, crying with every feed, oh the joys. Still, nipple sheilds helped me get through some of it and as he is a VERY hungry boy (10 feeds in 24hours) he is on bottles as well as breast (left side only - put right side out of action), but he is on 6 oz bottles and he is only 3 weeks. He sits and feeds off me for 40 mins and then follows it with a bottle! Talk about taking the p---! Anyway, while I breastfed the other two for 6 months, it is different this time as I have an 18 month old and if I am to spend any time with her (and the oldest) I need to be able to hand him over.

Should point out - I would always encourage everone to try breastfeeding as it is easier in lots of ways and some people find it really easy. Just, er, not me!

Anyway, BIG congratultions to all those who have had their bouncing bundles of joy and I'm glad to be back (even if no-one else misses my long diatribes of drivel!).

Welcome back Slick!

Gosh Law you must have tons of milk, sadly can't offer any advice as no experience of this (well not yet anyway). Was leaking early on but as Mae has got a bit better at feeding it seems to have stopped, now I just dribble when feeding and not the rest of the time really.

I have decided to take more time feeding Mae to try and ensure she gets enough hind milk to try and reduce the wind and colickyness. However, it now means that feeding takes at least an hour as she falls asleep and stops eating mid-way as the hind milk must take more effort and then we have about an hour of winding and settling and then I only have about an hour of sleep in which to do anything before we have to start again. But it has led to a slightly cheerier baby for the last couple of days. And hopefully she will actually have started to put some weight on.

The midwife is coming out tomorrow to weigh her again as she wasn't back to her birth weight last week, so more than 3 weeks later I have my fingers crossed that she now weighs at least 7lb3oz again! And we can stop with the midwife visits.

Welcome back Slick and congrats on Nicholas.

Joanne - the HV came out to me just know as when she came last week Lara was below her birth weight still. I was convinced she'd be way above it now as she's done very little other than feed for the last week - often for an hour at a time. Only to find she's only put on 2 oz so is still 2 oz below her birth weight. Arrgh ! HV seems quite calm about it and has just told me to carry on doing what I'm doing although making sure she doesn't go more than 3 hours between feeds, which she rarely does anyway. Also, not to let her feed more than 20 minutes as she obviously isn't actually feeding more than that (sometimes she's on for an hour).

I have been supplementing with a bottle of formula at about 3 am as she was often wanting to 'feed' for up to two hours so I have let her feed for a while and then given her the formula.

So, not really sure where feeding is going to go from here. HV said not to give up on the bf-ing (I didn't tell her about the bottle of formula in the night - don't know why really) but if weight gain is slow next week might have to supplement a (Nother !) feed with formula.

Funnily enough, dd1 was 4 lbs 9 oz when she was born but was almost entirely formula fed as she wouldn't latch and never gave us any worry about weight gain.

Anyway, sorry about going on....

Hey Jolly and Wheely - thanks for the welcome.

Well I feel a bit embarrassed as I came on here to report that the HV has just been round and weighed 'Fat Boab' and he is now 9lb 10.5oz which means he has put on 20.5oz in a week and a half!

There's no way I could have kept up with him feeding that much just on the breast and with all the problems I had with the BFdn, I increased the bottles quite rapidly - he only gets about 2 - 3 feeds from me a day (usually followed by a bottle). He's now on a 6 oz bottle every time. Wheely - I know what you mean about avoiding telling them about the top up - BUT try and avoid feeling guilty about this - they would have you believe if you are giving them formula you are in effect pouring posion down them! Tis not true!!! When probed, quite a few of my HV's/MW's formula fed and all reported that their offspring are big and healthy teenagers/bairns now. The other thing is they are making formula more and more like breastmilk all the time, even compared to five years ago.

Do what helps YOU and YOUR situation. Everyone is different and all bairns are different. Like I said, I've BF my last two with top ups from different stages, and on times have put myself through sheer hell just because it seemed like the right thing to do, but at the end of the day, babies need a healthy mum too, not one that is going to dread every feed or be anxious about weight gain. I also wanted to be able to spend time with my toddler and if I was BFdn Fat Boab the way he is, I would never be able do anything with her.

Sorry, hope am not sounding like I'm preaching, just hate the thought that women are made to feel guilty if they don't BF exclusively. And while there are lots of positives from BF, the babies themselves don't seem to mind at all what they get as long as they get it!

thanks Slick - great weightgain there I know what you are saying makes sense. I feel I am being particularly hypocritcal given that dd1 was almsot entirely formula fed and I never had any guilt issues about it (apart from maybe the first couple of weeks/months when everyone else I knew was bfing). I guess because she wouldn't feed and she really needed to because she was so tiny. Actually at the time the MWs and HVs were very supportive of my decision even though they were keen on bf-ing.

I guess because it seemed to be going well this time I thought it might work. I'll press on for a bit but it does make me think that maybe she isn't getting enough and that's why she's so grumpy unsettled a lot of the time and why I don't think dd1 was !

Will see how we go over the next week but will continue with my night time top up. Part of me is too lazy to go onto making up bottles I think - I have these great little bottles I got from Asda which are premade cow and gate and you have disposable teats which you put straight on to the bottle of formula (like in hospital) so they help but cost a fortune !!

Wheely that's the other thing, I noticed your earlier post, about dummies - I know they used to be frowned upon, but all the MW's I know now are saying that they actually recommend them as they reckon they help prevent cot death as well as helping us get through the day and night! I avoided it with my first(8 years ago)as I was told they were bad for their gums, but now they make them differently and my middle one still has one at 18 months although I hope to get her off it by the age of two. What I think is crap is when you see a 4 year old wandering around with one! But as a baby their instict is to suck and if it helps....

God what's wrong with me today? Lashing out at the Guilt Police!! SAY NO TO GUILT!! I feel a campaign coming on....

Mind, I still feel guilty about bloody every little thing and that's just a mother's place I think.

Slick - you are on a roll .

Actually have got over the dummy thing although it doesn't work at night because as soon as it falls out when she is dropping off its waaaahhh waaaahh waaahh . But does keep her a bit settled during the day - she's a very different temperament to dd1 I think. DD1 was never sucky (hence presumably her refusal to breastfeed) and DD2 is crying real tears already. I think she is a sensitive soul which her sister isn't really.

Although having said I have got over the dummy thing - my Mum is staying at the mo and was going to take dd downstairs with the dummy and I told her to leave it upstairs as the HV was coming . It was actually one of the midwives who said they didn't approve of them - but she is very young and I suspect not had children herself !

Hi everyone! I am now "post-natal" - whoo hoo!

Rosemary Phyllis Alexandra (known as Rosie!)was born on 23rd March by elective c-section and is a wee bundle of cuteness! Have posted my birth story on the ante-natal thread - but my nice calm elective was not that calm - but Rosie is here, I'm recovered and finally out of hospital and things are going well so far.

Dd1 is beginning to accept her. At first she would tell us to put the baby to bed then take our hands and lead us to a different room so she had us to herself ! Now she runs into the bedroom in the morning, ignores me and goes straight over to the moses basket to see Rosie. She does get upset if I am stuck doing a marathon feed and tries to climb on top of Rosie - which is not good because I am still finding the bf painful so if Rosie's latch gets dislodged by a bouncing toddler it is ouch!

No routine here - but she is only 9days old! I've had one almost continuous 6 hour feed from 8pm until 2am, but normally she tends to go about 2-3 hours at night. During the day she sleeps and sleeps and sleeps! Agh! But I think it is still too early to try to get her out of that pattern and I am just going with the on demand thing for now.

Having lost 9.9% of her weight before we left hospital she has nearly regained her birth weight again - so I have the milk just wish I didn't have the toe curling latch on pain . She's not quite on the "Fat Boab" scale of weight gain (loving it slick) but is bang on the 50th centile.

wheely NO GUILT about the formula. If my nipples don't hold out I will be doing the same.

When Rosie lost loads of weight initially, the hospital mw's said try to do 3 hourly feeds. It is easier in hopital as they wake you up every 3 hours - bit more difficult at home as you are so damn tired that who wants to be setting their alarm to feed every 3 hours!

Not so sure about only letting her feed for 20mins.........is she still fully latched on? Does she still give little sucks? Rosie is often on for up to an hour and to be honest the last bit she isn't doing much. But if I de-latch her and she is still rooting then I put her back on. I am just hoping that this will allow her to get the hind milk and get sleepy!

You should start a thread on the bf forum - they usually have pretty sound advice about that sort of thing.

Also agree that dummies are now recommended to help against SIDS so if it works - go for it.

PS small person pic on profile!

Yay - welcome over to postnatal meep - just had a read of your birth story, sorry it wasn't as straightforward as hoped. Sorry also for giving you a false impression that the spinal wouldn't hurt - my anaesthetist must have been a marvel. Beautiful photos !

Have had a thread running on breastfeeding - tbh, get a bit scared over on those threads but it has made me have a think and realise that the poor weight gain has only been this week which also coincides with her being v. unsettled. Also, I think - although can't remember - it might coincide with me starting to only feed from one side per feed as I was getting sore so thought I'd read it was ok to do this and would therefore rest my nipples on each side for longer. This mroning I fed dd from both sides (and actually for about 40 mins as after 20 mins she was still clearly desperate for more) and when I finished feeding her there was milk in her mouth so she obviously had been feeding and she's been so settled since. So maybe I have just been starving her [extreme guilt emoticon]. So, I will continue with changing sides fo rhte week and see how it goes next week at the weigh in.

at least I wasn't worried about it hurting before I went in wheely . Apparantly I have strong back ligaments that feel like bone !!! Think I was just unlucky - with dd1 it was really quick and no problem at all!

Have you tried nipple shileds - it doesn't completely take away the pain but does give your nipples that little bit of extra protection when they are sore. Rosie doesn't like it when I use them but needs must and it means I can feed from both sides.

Don't feel guilty - you can only do as best you can - looking back I realise that my poor dd1 was totaly starved by me when she came home becaus I just hadn't a clue - poor wee thing

Well done for braving the bf threads - i started one and like you was a bit scared about the can of worms that I might open up!

Updating the list with Rosie - haven't been back through so let me know if I have missed anyone

17/01/09 : FlannelCat - Girl- Bettie Violet
19/01/09 : Fififlores - Girl - Lola - 2.73 kg
21/02/09 : Laumiere - Boy - Gabriel William Thomas Robson - 7lb 14oz
22/02/09: Ceedub - Girl - Freya - 8 lbs 1oz
23/02/09 : Titchy77 - Boy - Charlie William - 4lb 10oz
26/02/09 : Mandy73 - Boy - Felix - 2.5kg
28/02/09 : Twocutedarlings - BOY - Alex
01/03/09 : Lolianja - BOY - James Mark Nicholas Andrew - 9lbs 8.5ozs
01/03/09 : Dinny - Girl - Romilly Violet 9.1lb
01/03/09 : auntyspan - Girl - Lydia Violet - 8lb 8oz
03/03/09 : goldmother2b - Girl - Natasha - 7lb 3oz
04/03/09: [due 15th March] littlemisskiwi - girl - Bethan Sian - 6lbs 14oz
05/03/09 : MissModular - Girl - Melissa Jane - 8lb 11oz
06/03/09 : Beetle73 - Girl - 3.32kg
06/03/09 : [due 12th March] - HopingCat - Boy - Matthew Bryan - 6lb 15oz
07/03/09 : CaptainKarvol - Girl - 7lb 12oz
07/03/09 : [on EDD} - emma2617 - Boy - Luca Stephen - 7lb 9oz
09/03/09 : jollyjoanne - Girl - Mae - 7lb 30z
10/03/09 : [due 1st March] - Honey - Boy - Harry - 8lb 7oc
12/03/09 : [due 13th March] - Wheelybug - Girl - Lara Florence - 7lb 1oz
12/03/09 : [due 24th March] - pipsy76 - Boy - Alfie - 7lb4oz
14/03/09 : [due 7th March] - babyinbelly - Boy - Lucas
23/03/09: [due 28th March] - meep - girl - Rosie - 7lb 12oz

Well done Meep! Your bubbas are gorgeous!!

17/01/09 : FlannelCat - Girl- Bettie Violet
19/01/09 : Fififlores - Girl - Lola - 2.73 kg
21/02/09 : Laumiere - Boy - Gabriel William Thomas Robson - 7lb 14oz
22/02/09: Ceedub - Girl - Freya - 8 lbs 1oz
23/02/09 : Titchy77 - Boy - Charlie William - 4lb 10oz
26/02/09 : Mandy73 - Boy - Felix - 2.5kg
28/02/09 : Twocutedarlings - BOY - Alex
01/03/09 : Lolianja - BOY - James Mark Nicholas Andrew - 9lbs 8.5ozs
01/03/09 : Dinny - Girl - Romilly Violet 9.1lb
01/03/09 : auntyspan - Girl - Lydia Violet - 8lb 8oz
03/03/09 : goldmother2b - Girl - Natasha - 7lb 3oz
04/03/09: [due 15th March] littlemisskiwi - girl - Bethan Sian - 6lbs 14oz
05/03/09 : MissModular - Girl - Melissa Jane - 8lb 11oz
06/03/09 : Beetle73 - Girl - 3.32kg
06/03/09 : [due 12th March] - HopingCat - Boy - Matthew Bryan - 6lb 15oz
07/03/09 : CaptainKarvol - Girl - 7lb 12oz
07/03/09 : [on EDD} - emma2617 - Boy - Luca Stephen - 7lb 9oz
09/03/09 : jollyjoanne - Girl - Mae - 7lb 30z
10/03/09 : [due 1st March] - Honey - Boy - Harry - 8lb 7oc
10/03/09: Slickbird - Boy - Nicholas Edward - 7lb 13oz (Due 28th Feb)
12/03/09 : [due 13th March] - Wheelybug - Girl - Lara Florence - 7lb 1oz
12/03/09 : [due 24th March] - pipsy76 - Boy - Alfie - 7lb4oz
14/03/09 : [due 7th March] - babyinbelly - Boy - Lucas
23/03/09: [due 28th March] - meep - girl - Rosie - 7lb 12oz

17/01/09 : FlannelCat - Girl- Bettie Violet
19/01/09 : Fififlores - Girl - Lola - 2.73 kg
21/02/09 : Laumiere - Boy - Gabriel William Thomas Robson - 7lb 14oz
22/02/09: Ceedub - Girl - Freya - 8 lbs 1oz
23/02/09 : Titchy77 - Boy - Charlie William - 4lb 10oz
26/02/09 : Mandy73 - Boy - Felix - 2.5kg
28/02/09 : Twocutedarlings - BOY - Alex
01/03/09 : Lolianja - BOY - James Mark Nicholas Andrew - 9lbs 8.5ozs
01/03/09 : Dinny - Girl - Romilly Violet 9.1lb
01/03/09 : auntyspan - Girl - Lydia Violet - 8lb 8oz
03/03/09 : goldmother2b - Girl - Natasha - 7lb 3oz
04/03/09: [due 15th March] littlemisskiwi - girl - Bethan Sian - 6lbs 14oz
05/03/09 : MissModular - Girl - Melissa Jane - 8lb 11oz
06/03/09 : Beetle73 - Girl - 3.32kg
06/03/09 : [due 12th March] - HopingCat - Boy - Matthew Bryan - 6lb 15oz
07/03/09 : CaptainKarvol - Girl - 7lb 12oz
07/03/09 : [on EDD} - emma2617 - Boy - Luca Stephen - 7lb 9oz
09/03/09 : jollyjoanne - Girl - Mae - 7lb 30z
10/03/09 : [due 1st March] - Honey - Boy - Harry - 8lb 7oc
10/03/09: Slickbird - Boy - Nicholas Edward - 7lb 13oz (Due 28th Feb)
12/03/09 : [due 13th March] - Wheelybug - Girl - Lara Florence - 7lb 1oz
12/03/09 : [due 24th March] - pipsy76 - Boy - Alfie - 7lb4oz
14/03/09 : [due 7th March] - babyinbelly - Boy - Lucas
23/03/09: [due 28th March] - meep - girl - Rosie - 7lb 12oz
23/03/09 : [due 19th March] - laweaselmys - girl - Molly - 7lb10oz

wheely I meant to say that I am using a sling 9 days post c-section. It is this one. It doesn't put any strain on your wound at all as the baby is held quite high up on your chest and very close to your chest. My friend had one and her baby looked so happpy and cosy (whilst dd1 scearkmed from her pram) tha I thought I'd try it with dd2.

She's been in it a couple of times now and went straight to sleep both times!

Sorry for the multitude of posts - can you tell I am only just catching up!

pipsy we changed names too! Rosie was Alexandra for about 12 hours before I phoned dh from hospital to say that she didn't look like and Alexandra and could we change!! So it is now one of her middle names. I like both your names though!

meep - i hav e got some nipple shields althouigh dd doesn't seem to like them either and have read too much on here ab out not using them although i'm not sure why !?

On the sling - I have a wilkinet which is a bit more hangy down than the closer. I had intended getting a closer but got a really good deal on the wilkinet from my yoga teacher. Beginning to wish though I'd gone with the closer as the only time dh and I tried to use the wilkinet (with dh carrying it) we couldn't work it out and gave up !! I might try it round the hosue and see how it feels. My MW said last monday not to use it but obviously am much further on with my recovery by now.

Wheely Sorry, s'me again(!) Just conicidentally, the HV mentioned this morning about nipple shields as I am still using them and she said the negative side to them is that they can inhibit the production of the milk flow as the baby doesn't get to stimulate the ducts as much. I didn't know that but she said as I wasn't feeding Fat Boab solely on breastmilk, it wasn't so much of a concern. But I think if it can get you through the worst of it so you can keep going it's worth using them. Actually the only reason I still use them is because he has thrush on his tongue from the anti b's I was on.