Nov 2008 - sleepless nights and exploding poo, dear oh dear now what do we do??

[Dozymare]

Sorry that is soooo crap but we needed a new thread!!!!!

CHOC you beat me to it!

Evening all

It is so hard catching up when I can't get on the pooter all day!!

Saurus 6 hours - wow that is fantastic. It goes to show that although F is, in fact, eating you, it is working

Vbab I know what you mean about expecting the second baby to be the same as the first re sleeping through. DS1 started sleeping through at about 4 weeks (and by that I mean 7-7 ) but I know that is very very rare so I knew Sam wouldn't be the same. Although he is a very good sleeper at night, he is still feeding twice at night and I can't see that changing in the next 3 days!!

Sam seems to be on the mend - he is eating a little more today thankfully. I will keep an eye on him though but hopefully we are over the worst (until DS1 brings the next cold back from nursery of course!)

Had a really good day today - took DS1 (and Sam!) to a toddler Christmas party at a soft play area that we go to a lot. It was great and DS1 absolutely loved it. He was really excited to see Father Christmas and it was lovely seeing him smiling again! His present was some play dough which I have had great fun playing with all afternoon

I also decided it was time to start getting back to my old self again - so I have put my jewellery back on and am doing my nails tonight (I am NEVER normally seen without nail varnish on ) - now if I could just shift 3 stone overnight, I really will be back to my old self

Me, DH and Sam are tackling the Trafford Centre tomorrow to finish off our Christmas shopping - part of me is looking forward to it as I love shopping but I know it is going to be manic!!

That was a mammoth post - sorry!!

I had a marvellous off routine night last night. Bed at 9.30 with babies and slept till 10am. Obviously lots of feeding in between but it was the longest night I have had for a while. Delicious.

Good luck with the xmas shop ceebee. I took ds1 (3yrs old) to see Father Christmas on Friday and he was PETRIFIED. It was quite funny really, poor kid. He was shrinking away from FC and wouldn't even look at him. Still, he got a landrover out of it (sadly, just a toy one).

Baby Awissa had a scan today to check whether her hips were ok. They are, she's fine, which is great. It's just because she was standing up in the womb for a bit which apparently can cause the hip problems where they need all the ops etc. Happened to 2 friends of mine and both kids needed 2 ops and in casts for several months, so I was glad to have a scan to check it out at this early stage.

Judo Wudo is on feeding frenzy tonight. Glad I have some expressed milk. He is going to get some bottle as my boob has pins and needles from so much sucking. They both seem to have grown tons in the past week. Wish it wasn't Christmas next week and I could weigh them...

Ds1 has a cold/ temp and is really playing up tonight, driving me and dh bananas...he's either crying or being really silly. [when will mumsnet techies come up with a tearing hair out emoticon?]

Hello all, Yorky in new house with nice fast broadband here!

Sorry I haven't been around for a while, I've tried to lurk and keep up with you all. Long post coming up

Sorry to all those who have had sick children to deal with, DD is very snuffly and sometimes does gross sneezes but it doesn't seem to affect her feeding, or worry her - its just annoying that it show no signs of shifting.

Congratulations to those managing on no sleep, DD went from 1130 to 4am last night which I thought was pretty good for not quite 4wks, then DS kicked off at 5 which wasn't so good! But DH gave in got up with him at 6 and let me have a lie in! Lovely.

Meet ups - I'm happy to meet up with anyone who is anywhere near the M54

The move was less traumatic than expected and DS seems to have been coping better than I'd feared, he does play up when baby is around though - I seem to spend all my time saying No, stop that, gently, don't do that... I feel like such a nag and I hate it. We are genuinely making an effort to praise him when he is being good so he doesn't play up for the negative attention but how can I not tell him to stop pushing against the dining table to rock his high chair back? And when do they stop putting things in their mouths - I know from the way he watches me when he's doing it that he's playing for attention, but again I can't just let him eat coins can I? He was lovely this afternoon though, reading books together.

To those who are feeling less towards DC2 than towards PFB, I've got it the other way round. I find myself almost resenting time away from my beautiful little girl, Evenings are a battle between sitting and cuddling quietly which we can't do during the day, and getting stuff done, which I can't do during the day! I know I love him, I tell him often but he is being such hard work because I spend so much time with DD feeding etc.

As Daisy says - This too shall pass

DH starts new job tomorrow. Going to mums and tots tomorrow afternoon, meet new HV on Thursday

Dozy - look at you - afternoon tea at Claridge's indeed...am loving it!! !
Thanks for invite to yours - I am already booked in for a long walk along the river followed by pub lunch with some NCT chums on Friday. But would love to come another time if you are hosting again?
In the new year I plan to invite you southern ladies to mine for a coffee morning.

MerryMari your night with twins sounds lovely. You sound like you're coping absolutely brilliantly. What a star you are!

Good luck to yorkys DH with new job. Glad your house move went well.

Yorky I could have written your post about your DS1 - that is exactly how my DS1 is and I also seem to spend all day saying 'no, gently, don't hit him, don't do that etc' - it is so wearing! Again, we are trying the ignore bad behaviour tack but, as you say, I can't ignore him rocking the moses basket vigorously, biting Sam's hand etc.

Plus, I also seem to have gone the opposite way and am starting to resent DS1 a bit - mainly because I am struggling so much with his behaviour and resent him for 'ruining' my time with Sam aswell by misbehaving iyswim. I absolutely love DS1 to bits and he will always be my 'special one' but I just wish he would behave so we could all live happily ever after.........ha!!

hugs to everyone

I'm being sent to bed as I'm coming down with the cold as well now and have earache and as DH says my eyes are like "pissholes in the snow". so I've expressed enough for his next feed, as the stuff I had in the fridge had gone off (be warned; don't taste slightly off EBM....fecking foul stuff, but it smelt OK so I'm glad I did or F would've had a very bad tummy I imagine)

My chinese ginger tea with a slug of the water of life added awaits.

Glad DS is better ceebee. F is as well; or at least he's feeding better.

of all the good nights sleep that are being had. Maybe it's our turn tonight?

daisy get well soon

ceebee and yorky my DS1 is the same too, He was eating his toast on Friday sat on his little stool with one foot on Js head some days all I seem to do is tell him off!
Somedays he is lovely though

*Thanks for that nappy link - Im using tots bots now which I really like but its a pain ill have to sell them on when H grows out of them.

I had clicky hips as a baby and H has one slightly clicky hip so he has a scan on the 23rd

I forgot about the 6 week growth spurt - just when I was feeling more settled (well H is feeling more settled) we have that to look forward too in a week. Never ends eh?

PICS Added to profile.
Thanks for your help ladies regarding routine. Going to bed now and will try to update tomorrow as to how today's "winging it" has gone. Going out with my girl friends tomorrow night . But DH travelling to London and stopping over Wednesday night so no rest from the early AM feed so will have to be careful how much I drink .

Pinkglow - do they say what causes the clicky hips? Could it be the same for clicky knees and shoulders? My concern is that I'm hypermobile (double jointed) and I'm worried I've passed the affliction onto LO. I can do great party tricks with my legs but, now I'm getting on a bit, I have aches and pains that a 36 year old probably shouldn't have.

Vbab Alyssa is gorgeous I love Big brothers T-shirt
Nic I don't know if it is at all relevant but I had clicky hips when I was born - both DSs OK - but I also have double jointed hips and shoulders, it may be a coincidence but worth mentioning to HV if you are worried!

Thanks Buzz.

Great news.. I had a solid 5 hours sleep last night - thank you James

Vbab, your kiddo's are adorable! I also love the big brother tshirt, lol!

MummyNic, I am glad James gave you some much needed sleep.

I am hoping Z has a better napping schedule today. I worked out thay he probably napped for less than 2 hours from 9am until 11pm and then when I tried to put him to bed, he woke every 20-30 minutes until 12.30am. Thasnkfully he then slept until 6am, but so noisily it is hard to sleep, even with earplugs. He definately sleeps better at night if he gets a decent amount of sleep during the day.

I hope everyone has a good day.

vbab...gorgeous pics

still at all the sleeping going on. I was in bed for 9.30, leaving a bottle for DS. Which he necked apparently (yay for tommee tippee bottles) and then wanted more from me at midnight. Settled him by 2am, then fed him another couple of times, and he was up again at 5.30.

I've sent a text to Obs. It's not like her to disappear like this; I hope she is OK.

I hope all the snuffly babies are better today; Bumba feeding better, but still bunged up.

Good Luck for all the hip scans etc. Nic, are you seeing anyone about DS's shoulder? sorry if I missed all that, I'm struggling to keep up at the minute.

I'm waking "that baby" (what we call him when he is being difficult ) up for a feed now as I got horribly engorged yesterday and don't want a repeat of nasty, sore lumpy boobs.

Feeling a bit detached from the world at the minute and worrying about my depression again as this is how it usually starts

I've got a list of things to get on with though so hopefully crossing them off one by one will make me feel better!

They didnt say what causes clicky hips but I know its more common in girls than boys and can be a problem later on if its not picked up, I know when I had it I had scans on my hips for a good couples of years after the treatment to make sure everything was still ok.

Argh!!! And so it starts again . I put Z down in his moses basket for a nap 10 minutes ago and now he is crying. I REALLY need to crack the daytime napping thing as he is really starting to annoy me with his lack of napping. I think I would rather deal with him at night as at least I have nothing to do then, but I have so much to get done during the day and so far, manage to do housework once a week... if I am lucky and my poor older boys are being neglected, especially where home schooling is concerned.

Can't remember who it was who asked, but I have been home schooling for 2 years now, took ds1 out of school when it was obvious there were some real issues (he was a very angry little boy, never really spoke or asked questions and had gone completely backwards with daytime wetting, peeing in strange places, like behind his wardrobe, peeing out of his window ect). The school kept telling me that they didn't notice anything but I later found out the ds1 wasn't the only one having problems. Anyway, our whole family was stressed to breaking point as ds2 had been very poorly and gone through open heart surgery. In the end, I made the decision to try and save my family, knew the ds1 was miserable at school and being bullied so removed him. He is now quite outspoken and is forever asking questions. We don't really have a routine as such, follow the national curriculum for maths, literacy and writing as best we can, but the rest is pretty autonomous in that we follow what he is interested in. We are growing crystals this week, learning flags and countries and planets. DS2 takes alot of interest in what ds1 is doing, so is learning stuff that is quite advanced for him, but I am trying to do the basics with him, numbers, colours, phonics and letters and basic handwriting.

In the amount of time it took me to type that, Z has gone quiet, although don't think he is alseep as such. Fingers crossed he gets at least an hour of quiet time/sleep.

vbab - lovely pictures! Reminds me I need to add some!!

heartmum are you sure I can't tempt you with a sembelance of a routine - I know you hate them but it would definately help with your homeschooling as you would get the following hours free 0900-1000 (provided you start the day at 7am which may be to rigid for you???) then 1130-2-230 and then 4-5. Plus, Z will go to bed at 7pm.....(leaving you the evening to get on with things) I know you will tell me to b**ger off (in the nicest possible way, but thought I might just flag up the free time I am getting to get on with things around the house and spending with the DS's)

daisy am [shocked] at you waking the baby!!!!! Good on you though as the more feeds you do in the day, the better sleep you will get in the night! Sorry to hear you are feeling a bit detached - could it be the time of the year and trying to organise everything - I am feeling a bit the same but I know it's because I am not organised for christmas when I normally am.........I also feel a bit up and down still and can cry on demand which is very unlike me. Is that how PND starts off? I am very qworried that due to my lack of not being able to breastfed that it has affected me in a very negative way and I am not sure what to do about it???

hello!

Haven't had a minute to myself these past few days! Will has finally settled for a nap and have managed to have a sandwich Have basically had a baby attached to me - he wouldn't let me put him down and has been feeding and catnapping on me. Var var tiring!!

Think Will was poorly in the night but don't know what it was. I gave him some formula as his last feed (dh insisted as I had been feeding him pretty much constantly for 5 hours - was crying - painful boobs and very tired)He gobbled it down, went to sleep and woke at 4a.m - wouldn't feed, bright red, hot and making the sadest little sound I think I have ever heard - high whimpering. Any clue as to what it was? Took him to the docs - temperature fine but doc was suprised at his redness - all fine apart from that.

Anyhoo. Enough about me. Have read through the posts but am having trouble remembering... daisy hope you're o.k x
Merry Lovely mw at Whipps was Patricia - so supportive! I did like Elizabeth and Michelle too and there was another lovely one who looked after me and Will overnight while I was having the transfusion.

clicky noises Have noticed this in Will also - especially arms/ shoulders. Must ask dr about it!I am clicky but not double jointed!

christmas Am not playing!! After catfink got ill and cost us many dollar we are totally scuppered! I have a tiny wilting poitsettia on the telly! Am going to namecahnge to barbareebaahumbug I think I have ordered scrooge from amazon (with Alistair Simm, natch) and we have polar express so we shall watch those and have mulled wine on christmas eve.

ramble ramble... x

dozy, it's definately how my depression affects me; can't seem to engage with people and then start to hide myself away from the world, find excuses not to interact, go out etc. DH is keeping me in line though; I'm sooo glad he's home full time as I think I would've been tipped right over the edge if I'd been dealing with all this on my own four nights a week. You should chat things over with your HV if it is making you brood. We have a mental health nurse attached to our HV team and she is great to chat with if having any worries or issues.

I have been proactive this morning though and wrapped all the Scotland bound pressies and arranged a courier to come and pick up the parcel for delivery to my sister for her to distribute to everyone else.

I've also written some christmas cards and started a craft project that is for my June 07 thread secret santa.

the house is still a tip and the drawers/wardrobes empty and the laundry baskets full of clean clothes

Oh God. Just remembered I have many towels and a quilt covered in piccalilly from a disaterous nappy change earlier... wish me luck (bleurgh)

ooh sorry daisy - x-post

barbs, has he had formula before?

if he has been feeding lots from you and then had the formula it might have been a full tummy making him feel poorly, but you'd think that would be immediately after getting it, not all those hours later. Alternatively maybe he is sensitive to cows milk?

Are you still having sore boobs? Is your positioning and attachment OK? and can you get it checked?

sorry for all the questions

Hello all. I had my DD on 14th Nov but have only just found this thread (I was on the due Nov thread for a bit). Finding second time parenthood much easier in all sorts of ways, although having a bit of a testing day today with over tired 3 yr old!

helloo all.

barbs much sympathy with the expensive cat. Ours was, too, though I shouldn't speak ill.. hope yours gets better. We will be getting some new kittens in the new year as I keep hearing the cat in the house it just seems weird not to have pets.

daisy and dozy sorry you have the blues. I'm having a bit of a funny time, some friends came round today with their children but I feel so 'out of the loop', IYKWIM. Prolly because I have a new baby and they both have 2 similar ages to my other two- so are all sorted and have their bodies back etc etc.
I also struggle socially because DH's job makes going out regularly in the evening next to impossoble for me- my friends wanted me to come to pilates with them which I would love but I can't get out of the house because DH is at work.

clicking babies- could well be hypermobility- Ihave that in my legs and I'm starting to get aches in my knees these days [old lady emoticon]