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September 08 - Just ladies with babies

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pacita · 08/11/2008 14:56

I thought I'd start a new thread before we run out of space...

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sagecat · 09/11/2008 23:03

LOL at the "poo chair" - its true

hopefully just read your post on routines - i agree with you fully, people focus on what they think they should be doing rather than on whats maybe right for them, books and frequently parents can put a huge amount of pressure/stress on new mums (and even when you have had kids for years).

Jessica is being super cute just now bouncing in her bouncy chair and waving her arms about - although she has just started hiccupping. Just to add to the poo discussion, Jess poos at least twice a day, my DD1 use to poo once a day - regular as clock-work - only missed one day when we drove a 6 hour journey and then was miserable the next day until she managed one! I never realised babies could go so long in-between

notcitrus · 09/11/2008 23:27

so much for A sleeping in the evenings/night - i've had to have him on my shoulder since 7pm to stop him grousing (in between nappy changes and feeding). Think he might finally OK having laid him down for I think the 8th time...

Could it be the flucanazole giving him a bit of tummyache? He's pooing about 6 times a day as usual but the last few have been greenish and his last formula was yesterday evening.
He's feeding every 90 min-2 hours in the day still, 2-3 hours at night - v envious of any of you with long-sleeping babies!

Yesterday friend babysat while MrNC and I had our first date, seeing the Bond movie for my birthday. Got stressed by a new leak beforehand (I thought we were watertight), then got there a bit late, the film was disappointing, we'd had a tearful argument the night before so I'd had little sleep, and then we argued again on the way home and I spent much of the evening crying as I got hit by SAD/PND again. And my breasts still hurt.

Feeling a bit better today, but anxious as friend's baby is in intensive care for the 5th time this year. Trying to fend off the feelings that A being grouchy means I'm a crap mum.

imoscarsmum · 09/11/2008 23:37

notc you're not a crap mum. C won't settle between 8 and 11 at all and we've given up trying to get her to bed then. we'll try again in a few weeks when she's older. she spends evnings between us being comforted or on a shoulder or with a dummy. dp and i feel we still get an evening then. evenings are probably the worst time for our babies.

try not to worry and ive mr noc a big kiss to make up cos you're both under pressure and he's probably feeling just as awful. take care.

imoscarsmum · 09/11/2008 23:38

sorry should be give mr notc.... got c on shoulder!

notcitrus · 10/11/2008 05:54

Good news! On the 9th attempt, A went to sleep, round 12.15. He's still asleep 5h40min later, so I guess that's sleeping through the night! (not that I expect him to repeat this for a while...)

Bad news - I, however, was woken after 3 hours by shooting pains in my breasts. Ended up expressing some milk as the pain always seems worse when my breasts are full. Haven't managed to get back to sleep since.

ninja · 10/11/2008 09:06

I hope you've managed to get some sleep NC

grrrr 'Men'. For only the third time since M's been born I've tried to go to bed early. Each time it's ended up me getting LESS sleep. I asked DH to bring M up at 11ish (he's always up later than this) and could he put her night nappy and sleeping bag on. Well he hadn't put the wrap on right (we're in cloth) and at 5 I found she was SOAKING poor soul. I stripped her and wrapped her in a blanket [lazy and tired mum emotion], but it took AGES to settle her and so that was the end of my sleep. I guess it's a step up from last time when he forgot to put a wrap on her!

Enough of my ranting. I'm attempting to go to the keep fit class this morning so I better go.

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plusonemore · 10/11/2008 09:46

well, after a horrible day on friday i have had a much better weekend and the answer seems to be NOT to feed him all the time. Before, I was feeding whenever, on friday that was about every 40mins to an hour, and he just wasnt having a proper feed cos he wasnt hungry enough/too tired. So (dh good suggestion) just tried rocking him for a bit and it worked. So now we are both much happier and I am trying not to feed until at least 3 hours from start of 1 feed to next. Also friday night dh fed ds so i could have an early night (and because i felt completely drained) and the combined result of a day of him stimulating my milk supply and a night off meant i was engorged next morning which meant i was able to express better, he seemed to get more milk again when feeding and its been better since! He is now settling in the evenings (not til 8/8.30) and then have been waking him for a feed 10.30/11 and last night he woke and half 2 and half 6. He also had first night in the cot in his room!!! (with monitor on and me straining to listen to every breath at first)so I am feeling like things are definately improving (until the next growth sourt that is, which is prob 6 weeks which is next week...oh dear)

hope you are all feeling well. I am off to hv group this morning to ask her to look at the lump under Alfies nipple, will post later

plusonemore · 10/11/2008 09:47

growth spurt that is

Ponymum · 10/11/2008 10:10

notcitrus I really feel for you with the horrible shooting pain, that is just awful. Hope you are feeling better soon. Agree pain is worse when you are full. Pre-thrush I used to express a bottle in the day for DH to feed during the night. Since thrush I have stopped this as I NEED to feed during the night just to relieve some of the pain / pressure!

Answers please. DD is using a dummy. At times it is actually a fantastic sleep 'cue' - as soon as she has it she calms down, closes her eyes, relaxes etc. BUUT.. she seems quite dependent on it during the night, and if it falls out of her mouth she gets very upset. So I put it back in and everything is fine... for, oh, about the next 5 minutes or so when it happens all over again. DH says this is no good as I am spending my entire night tending to her dummy dependency. I don't think I am, as I am sure there are long stretches when she is in a proper sleep and doesn't need this. But I am not happy about the situation that is developing.

Questions:

  1. Anyone been through this with other DCs? Is it just a phase that will easily pass?
  2. She is starting to find her hand and shove this in her mouth. Is this a better solution? Atm she finds this very frustrating as it obviously is not at all effective. When she is crying for the dummy this is usually in conjunction with shoving her hands furiously at her mouth.
  3. What is a good dummy-use strategy?

I hope I haven't blown it already. She's only 8 weeks so can't have bad habits already, surely?

hopefully · 10/11/2008 10:14

carrieon LOL at our parallel lives!

Debi I'm very envious that you're getting beyond 5am. I do a feed at 10:30pm, and then usually another at 4:30am, which is just silly o'clock. By the time he's settled it's then about 5:30 at least (often more like 6am) and I quite like to start the day at 7-7:30am... I've contemplated moving T's late feed to 11:30pm, but then either me or DP would be settling him at 1am, which isn't terribly jolly. Might give it a shot though.

T was absolutely brilliant yesterday, slept all the way to family party, then smiled and cooed all day and slept all the way home. However, he then totally made up for it by being awake from 11pm-3am and 5:30-8:30. I'm absolutely dog tired, but my mother's staying so is able to help a bit today and tomorrow, thank god!

I'm feeling v proud of myself, as in a couple of days I'll have done 8 weeks exclusive BF, despite coming close to abandoning a couple of times. I always said I'd be really chuffed to reach 6 weeks, so I'm feeling like every extra day that I carry on is a bonus now. Funny to think of being nearly a third of the way towards weaning though!

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potxola · 10/11/2008 11:13

I feel crap yes, but I don't feel like a crap mum because I'm not trying hard to do something that someone else is imposing AND I've generally got used to the ongoing guilt of motherhood having already gone through it once iyswim!
YES, That is exactly how I feel Starlight
We will all get there. This time I am not comparing myself with other mums like I did the first time.
I still feel bad sometimes when at 22:30 she is still on my lap or on thesling while i relax watching a film. I sometimes, like last night, think of you lot in bed with your babies in their cots for already 4 hrs and I think; Will I be damaging her back because she is not sleeping in the cot at this time?.
But then, when I do BF her and put her in her bedside cot, Lorea sleeps for 4-5 hrs, feeds and back to sleep twice during the night.
It works for me

Ponymum · 10/11/2008 11:14

starlight LOL at your response - I'm still just as confused as I was before! And tbh I really don't know what your views on dummies are.

The only reference I have is my afore-mentioned sister, whose strict regime includes no dummies as she wants her children to be independent (uncomforted? abandoned?) from a young age. I would appreciate hearing any other views / theories.

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foxytocin · 10/11/2008 12:17

Ponymum, I am not against dummies myself and believe that if you let your child get attached to using dummies then you have no right to take it off them at some age that suits you. I think that you can bribe or negotiate its removal but not take it off them cold turkey but then I am a softie. My dd1 didn't have a dummy but learnt to steal them off babies at nursery when she was around 11 months old. Eventually she learnt how to suck one and then at about 18 months, I bought her dummies which she used when she was in the car. She has used them from time to time in bed but it never became an frequent thing.

The only other 'dummmy' she had was me.

Remember, a breast is not a substitute for a dummy, remembering MIL telling me 'she is only using you as a dummy'.

A dummy is a substitute for a breast. Babies have a need to suck and breasts need to be stimulated to make milk esp in the early weeks.

Personally I am too much of a slattern to be constantly be replacing a dummy into a baby until they are old enough to find it in the cot/bed by herself. She can use me as a 'dummy' instead.

Oh, using a dummy has nothing to do with making a child independent. When a child has a need and it is addressed, the need goes away, well maybe not as fast as we grown ups would like it to go away, but it will. however, when a need goes unmet, it remains a need and will probably manifest itself later on in another way.

One of my wise friends told me once, how can you make a child independent if he cannot make his own sandwich and wipe his own backside?

not giving him a dummy or sleeping though or eating with utensils at the table or whatever is not going to make him 'independent'. this bit of a rant is mine. enjoy pandering to your baby till they show signs that they want to do it themselves, and boy they will, because after that, they will push you away and you will never get these days back when you can cuddle them and pander to them to your heart's content.

mellabella · 10/11/2008 12:20

sorry this question is a bit off topic of the current convo.... but how long after baby did you first start periods again? i'm exclusive bf'ing and i have no idea when to expect them starting up again.

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 10/11/2008 12:21

STARLIGHT - have you thought about no co-sleeping so you can get some more sleep? I say this because I co-slept for about 6 weeks, and it really worked for us up until then. Then it started getting to a point were ds was getting harder and harder to settle and was doing little mini feeds through the night. By the morning he and I were both tired. So, I decided it was cot time for him (he's too long for a moses basket.)

The first week of transition was painful, but for the past two weeks we've all been getting more (and a better quality) of sleep.

Just a thought ...........

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 10/11/2008 12:25

mellabella - I had a bleed about 6 weeks ago and I am really hoping that it isn't my periods returning. With ds1 my period came back when he was weaned and only having bf's in the morning and at night. However some people get them within weeks of giving birth.

foxytocin · 10/11/2008 12:29

mella it is normal for periods to return after a baby is having more than 4 hrs between feeds during the day or more 6 hrs between feeds at night.

with dd1 it was at 13 months but she was bfing exclusively till she was 10 mos old.

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mellabella · 10/11/2008 12:32

okay, wellllll i think i might be one of the un-lucky ones that gets them weeks after i haven't done anything strenuous and bleeding has started back up again (after being absent for around 2 weeks now). looks like that's what it is..... oh poo

imoscarsmum · 10/11/2008 12:32

Amazing news - for the very first time ever, C came downstairs with me at 10am and sat happily gurgling in her chair whilst I ate breakfast! It's a bleedin miracle! She didn't cry or need to be held!

I also got a lie in today as DP got up at 6.30am to give her first bottle and I slept in . I did the late night feed at 11.30 though while he went up at 10pm.
I can't imagine being a single mum - I am in awe of those who do it alone.

C is coming with me to hairdressers this afternoon while I have my hair done - fingers crossed for happy baby.....

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