we did it, we did it, the babies are here, now come and join us and we will give you a cheer!!!!

[Dozymare]

Hope this works

thought i would start a thread for those of us already in the heady World of motherhood, so we can share the trials and tribulations of the early days....

I shall start with my birth story and hope other's follow and I haven't started a dud thread

As you know I was dreading a 3rd CS, almost to the point where I was having panic attacks - we went in on the Thursday and after waiting for an EMC we were taken to theatre where I was DELIGHTED to recognise the aneathatist (sp!!) who helped deliver DS2. Now, one of my major fears about a 3rd CS was the fact that having had a "perfect" excperience with DS2, it6 wouldn't be possible to experience the same thing again...I was wroing, it was better The whole thing was started at 1315 and Tallulah was born at 1344 weighing 7lbs 2oz. She has a shock of dark hair but seems so small compared to the boys who were 9 and 10lbs respectively. The care I recieved was absolutely 2nd to none - no complaints or gripes.........So far so good.........

HOWEVER.........my god, do you forget the pain of breastfeeding before the milk comes in - I am in absolute agony and have had to top up with aptamil as the poor wee thing is so, so hungry...I am literally BF for up to 2 hours (the point of pain in both udders ) and then topping up with Aptamil. She guzzles 30ml and then settles.......As for sleep - sleep is for wimps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pinky that is exactly how I feel......I LOVE BF and never had problems with DS1 or 2. hence why i assumed it would be easy with Tiger. I guess my main grievance is that nobody told me I could have a problem doing it. Had anyone told me, I would have been prepared and accepted. Having read what mummynic said though has made me realise, that although things are not my fault I am very lucky to have my beautiful daughter. She is amazing and although I feel very sad, I know I need to move on.

As obs has said, by keepng talking on here it definately helps to ease and get over the pain.........thank you all for listening....

this thread is GREAT

DOZY when are we starting weight loss ?
have we a thread yet ?
I was thinking of starting monday morning. I might do paul mckenna' think yourself thin', rather than ww, or anything.
But thats o.k. yes ?

i was going to wait until after xmas.......have oyu got the paul mck book? can you bring to chocs tomorrow so we can discuss

How was your day?

I am joining misdee and dozy on last baby syndrome. I just want to hold him all the time.
this typing one fingered thing, thus, is flippin hard work though. takes me 1 hour to type -n o- s l e e p - l a s t - n i g h t

talking of last baby. I have the overwhelminng desire today to be pregnant again. and to have another baby. I know I can't. silly hormones. playing havoc with me.

pinky, 'grieve', yes, I agree.
That is what we are here for. To support you and give you big hugs.

To many of your ladies, as dozy says. to mummynic and her traumatic nightmare, to ceebee and her jaundice, to leaky and her nightmare thrush plus plus.

Funny, how there are lots of us, not quite struggling, but its not as easy as people make out is it ?
All of us with different thiings going on. none of them easy.

But how fortunate we are to be on such a nice thread, able to share our woes and concerns.

Lets all give ourselves alittle cheer.

Oh I've come over all ChocO PMA'ey

i have had it in the past. I know the basics. I think it is fab.

oblomovn you soppy thing. {grin]
re- being pregnant again- I know I will get broody. I will be forever broody. I wish I could have 10 babies. Slings are good- bit like the bump but no heartburn!

well, there are 3 weeks till christmas. I might give it a bit of a go. I good lose a bit in 3 weeks, i reckon.

how does he hypnotise you? have you got a cd or something? i will give that a go for 3 weeks as well and if it doesn't work revert to Wonder Woman diet which I know does work!!

Off for a bath now

hi ladies. I was on the original ante natal thread but just couldnt keep up. Lacka directed me here the other day as i have been struggling with ds1 and my feelings towards him.

Firstly i havnt had time to read the whole thread, just flicked through this page so apologies for not catching up on you all and see who else is around.

First thing, zonedout, i havent read any of your history about reflux but just wanted to reply to you about it as my ds1 (now 2.4) had it horrificaly as a baby. He was on various medications until he was 1. Dont know if you know any of this already but these few things a god send : when i changed his nappy i always put a small cushion under his head otherwise he'd scream in pain. Also with feeding positions, sorry i dont know if you are breast feeding but i was bottle feeding a found the best position was sitting with my knees bent and him facing me as it keeps the back straight which stops them slumping over the stomach.

Also we bought an amby bed (a little hammock) and it was fantastic as it kept him propped up at the best angle whilst making them feel snug and also when he moved in it it would rock him back to sleep so was very settled in it.

Anyway i had my ds2 last thursday after 1 1/2 hour labour in a lovely birth center and had the water birth i wanted. He is gorgeous. Struggling with ds1 as he has been ill for 3 weeks and is not taking too well to ds2. He does love him and i am trying to involve him with things but he takes it out on me. Kicking me, punching me. Very hard as he was such a loving boy before. I find i dont have a minute to pee let alone breath at the mo, by time ive fed, changed etc ds2 i then haveto focus on ds1 and give attention to him. then it'l be lunch time or whatever then all over again. My dh has worked from home this week and next week going to work. I will then be doing the night feeds, getting up at 6am with ds1 and spending the day as above then all over again and it petrifies me. Lack of sleep is the one thing i cant cope without. I dont really have anyone to help as everyone i know either works, has on kids etc. I really cant wait to get ds2 into some sort of routine mainly for ds1 sake.

I had bad pnd with ds1 and worried about it returning. Saw my gp tuesday for ds2 newborn check and we talked about it and she said early days but to keep her updated and she will get me on the anti d's again but im obv trying to avoid that. Just trying to keep positive although a bit hard.

Hope the rest of you are ok.. i will try to catch up on how you all are. Hoping this thread doesnt go as quick as the ante natal!

i am back. also one fingered typing. i am getting faster at it though. sophie is asleep in my arms, i might let dh hold her in a bit.
i fluffed hr hair up earlier, she looks all fluffy and sweet

she has a bit of a cold still, is a bit snuffly, but chest is clear. the older two dd's have horrible coughs atm, so am hoping sophie doesnt catch it.

mad4, welcome. we have never forgotten you.
am afraid that this thread does move very quickly.
we can gas for england, ya know.
i think my ds2 takes after me, re that. that boy never stops burping and farting

Mad4mybaby I remember you - glad you have found your way back to us I totally sympathise with the way you are feeling - tbh, I know I would be feeling exactly the same if DS1 didn't go to nursery 4 days a week! This gives me respite and for those days, it is back to the 'easy' days of having just a newborn in the house. To those of you who have 2+ children in the house 24/7, you have my utmost respect! Even if we don't have the answers on this thread, we can at least listen and it will help you to get it off your chest

Can I join in the weight-loss?? I am planning on starting after Christmas - trying to decide whether to do WW (which I have done before several times - not always successful) or try Slimming World which I have heard good reports about - any thoughts?

Am of Obs, Dozy and Choc getting together tomorrow with your babies - would love to meet some other November babies!

Am also have LBS but am trying to hold off constant kissing and cuddling of Sam until DS1 is at nursery/in bed. As I really didn't enjoy this pg at all, I have no regrets (so far) about knowing I am not doing it again - there is no way I want to put myself through it again! Am totally happy with 'my boys'

ceebee are we still going to meet up at meadowhall? I guess we need to speak to Rutho had a message from her last week but nothing since.

sorry- flakeyminky- hello mad4

hi mad4.....glad you came over to the dark side to join us

lol obs at this being fast moving......700 posts in just over three weeks; we were doing that in three days on some of the AN threads

We are in the middle of the nightly rounds of feed, sleep for ten mins, grunt, groan wriggle and moan for an hour, burp or poo, feed, sleep for ten mins, grunt, groan wriggle and moan......and so it continues all bloody night

Pinky, Dozy, and Mummynic, I know what you all mean about the expectations of how things were going to be affecting how you feel now that things didn't happen how you imagined. This was exactly what I went through after DS1s birth and I wonder how much of my MH problems since were depression and how much were PTSD. This birth, although not 100% as I'd imagined it would be, was completely in my control throughout and as such seems to have exorcised DS1s birth completely and my depression, if that's what it was, seems to have lifted.

MUMMYNIC - Your DS has exactly what my girl Alyssa (16 days old) has. RSV. Also the same scenario of getting them checked out and told nothing to worry about. Then couple of days later in hospital and swab found RSV.

Alyssa has this eve had a "violent" vomiting fit after making coughing and choking noises. She was laid down when she started coughing. Thank god DH was in the room with her and picked her up before she vomited (all over him, herself and carpet).

With the aid of a dummy she has fell asleep. Its her 2nd night of trying a dummy and seems to be wanting it for the same time frame of 8ish until 10/11pm feed. WEIRD. Any ideas?

Just so worried about her now and this RSV thing as I noticed in the night her breathing and the cough seemed worse but I dismissed it. So now worried that more than just wind caused the "violent" vomiting especially as missed a call from the doctor at 7.50pm due to clearing up vomit saying "please call tomorrow to discuss Alyssa but nothing to worry about". Obviously this has now made me worry more.

Also DS stopped at mum's last night and woke her up twice in the night vomiting and needing cuddles. Poor mum. He hasnt been ill since but has been off colour today.

Rutho sent me FB chat message the other day but I was busy with the LO and missed her. She said she is missing us all, and that things have been a bit too full on for her to get online.

I'm still up for Meadowhell. Before the 15th would suit me just fine as I can leave DD with DH as he will still be on holiday then. After the 15th I'll have both DCs and will need to be back in Leeds by 3pm for the school run.

If we decide Meadowhall is too much that close to Christmas, we can always rendezvous at my house instead

i know that wierd feeling about feeling different 2nd time round. As i said before ds1 was very poorley and has allergies plus i had pnd so didnt enjoy any of it. When i put ds1 to bed i sit and just stare at ds2 in aware. Hes so settled and quiet and sleeps!! Not at night mind but compared to ds1 hes a doddle. I find myself wishing i couldve done all over again and ds2 was ds1 if that makes sense? I love bothe my boys to pieces, just cant believe the difference.

Is there anyone there that isnt breast feeding? I couldnt breast feed after he was born (have an irritable uterus and the after pains made me feel as though i was going into labour again and last i was bent double in tears so physically couldnt feed him so the MW said give a bottle as he hungry and try later but that the pains would obv be worse when i feed. Bascially i hadnt planned on feeding him long so decided not to confuse him) so anyway hes a week old today and my boobs still leaking and hurt. Not agony just bad pain comes and goes. MW just said leave them to it and it'l dry up but i leaked for 6 MONTHS after ds1 and dont want this happening, any tips on helping dry out?

vbab, don't hesitate to call the ward if you are worried about her at all.

This virus sounds horrible, and I'm surprised there isn't more publicity about it, or information in your red book if it is that common.

One of my nephews was ill with it last winter and still has a tendency to catch any cold/cough that's going about really quickly but he is OK otherwise.

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Bronchiolitis/Pages/Symptoms.aspx?url=Pages/what-is-it.aspx says to contact doctor if any change in symptoms or vomiting regarding RSV.

Now think should I contact the doctor or not? Just that we wonder if the vomiting which was mainly mucus with milk has "cleared" her out as her breathing sounds better.

Might just keep a close eye on her tonight as I have to phone the doctor in the morning to see what they want to discuss. EEK!

vbab, cross posted with you.

Call the ward. Did they give you a contact number when she was discharged? Or call your out of hours service or NHS Direct. Better that you get some reassurance than she gets worse in the night or you spend all night worrying.

I am absolutely still up for a meet-up - quite happy wherever it is (a little bit about Meadowhell that close to Christmas tbh). I really hope Rutho is ok - am missing her posts

Mad4 there are a few of us on here that are bottle-feeding for various reasons. My boobs are pretty much back to normal now (Sam is 1 week old) after a couple of days of agony but I don't know what the 'normal' timescale is - sorry!

Hana yes I am I daren't go near a set of scales just yet and am giving my jeans a wide berth at the moment (using the excuse that I don't want them rubbing against my cs scar but the real reason being I know they won't fit )

Zonedout the reflux thing. DD1 had it badly for about 6 months, got better by around 9 months or so. I was really lucky that the very nice HV I had with DD1 also had had a baby with reflux.
DD1 was bfed- which is supposed to make it less horrid for them- don't know if true or not. I think the fact that she would 'snack' a lot rather than fill her boots at a feed did help, as she was less 'full' after a feed.

She would doze off quite happily on her side if co sleeping after a feed, or on my chest but if I attempted to lie her down on her back she would scream and everything would come up. twas horrid.
Crib was very propped up with lots of old next diirectories, she also had a rolled up blanket under her head, but her bouncy chair was best for the first months.
SHe was basically a lap baby as result of the reflux, even though it was clearly milder than mad4's dc.
Not sure if any help, and obviously no experience of the other condition, but you have my sympathy

dozy, my dh threatened to stay out tonight as he usually does after these big events but i insisted he come home mainly so that i can get my shower in the morning while he watches the boys... got my 6/8 week check tomorrow and can't possibly turn up smelly Sympathies on a choking Tiger - i find it fairly terrifying. Fingers crossed she doesn't have laryngo or reflux...
at baby boot camp... hilarious image in my head! Very brave of you, hope it goes well! On the subject of LBS, how are you (and any others)finding life with 3? Oh, and can't believe you are still banging on about cheesy rice . Seriously, thanks for the warning! I have just tucked into a mouldy old baked potato followed by large amounts of green & black's white chocolate...

Aaargh, why does tonight have to be the night of the non-sleeping ds's... ds2 constantly crying/feeding...back soon...