July 2008 - Living in the Twilight Zone of never quite enough sleep to be compus mentus

[libralady]

Just thought I'd better set up another thread as the old one is just about to run out.

Oh donutmum you really made me pmsl there, I was thinking flesh eating flipflops thats a new one on me

thanks guys it's good to be back

Re sleeping through the night - DD1 6 weeks 11-7 12 weeks 8-8

DD2 was waking 5 times at a year

Bethany is once maybe twice a night, I feel like she never has enough at a feed, today she was laughing up at me boob in mouth nevermind laughing girl get eating! She feeds so fast I think she likes a little and often minx that she is

Oh Paris would be lovely I love Paris and France have such found memories sitting in the sun in Brittany with the local cider and the most amazing goats cheese crepes and chocolates mmmm (SK goes off in her own little tangent)

Is anyone else thinking this time last year ....... B was made to order so to speak very clinical I'm afraid with OPKS, charting, EWCM and sex at the right times got my BFP on Halloween

Donutmum - So glad to hear that your feet are not falling off but that sounds unpleasant!

SK - great to hear that you had a good time..you need to get away sometimes don't you?

Today was not ideal, but there were carrot cupcakes and prawn nachos involved so not a total loss. Aidan had a total meltdown and wouldn't even take the breast he was so upset.
DH had to plonk him in the car seat and swing him to get him calm enough to nurse. I cannot for the life of me figure out what is wrong with him. We thought we'd take advantage of the time change and try to move his bedtime up to 8ish...not sure if that will work or not but it's worth a shot, eh?

Going to try and sneak a bath in before bedtime.

SK - I was just thinking it was this time last year that we found out we were pregnant with our little pumpkins

Question de jour : Swing or no swing? Is it a worthwhile investment? A is just getting to the point where a quick swing in his car seat puts him out like a light. Any particular makes or models work better?

donut - for plantar fasciitis, take some ibuprofen 400mg three times a day. wear well fitting shoes, like trainers with instep support. and losing wt will help, but I'm not a great one to talk about that!! It will ease, it may take time.

No time to talk, things to do. why do I suddenly have soooo much washing??!!

Mcchessers- We got a swing from an Ebay shop for about £30/40 with postage.
We have found our swing a god send and helped so much in settling Abigail off to sleep.
This one but in a different colour. It has two swinging speeds. Its not got that many bells and whistles but does the job great!and isnt expensive.

Donut- at the manky feet!

I too have thought about this time last year.. Clics Paris photos is what did it for me as that where Abigail was conceived. Only seems like yesterday! I remember being so happy getting that BFP

Donutmum, I think I have plantar fasciitis too, my feet are always sore and I don't know what to do, I've not been wearing flip-flops so I've got no idea what's caused it. Still, at least it's not necrotising fasciitis, eh?

SK, Bryony has been staring in wonder at her hands too, in between jamming them into her mouth. She's not reaching out for toys really yet, but she has inadvertently caught hold of one on the toy bar of her bouncy chair when waving her hands around and looked very pleased with herself!

She rolled onto her side from her back today, just like this week's Babycentre email said she would! Has anyone else signed up for these? I find them interesting as often they are quite accurate - I'll read it, think 'oh, Bryony can't do that yet,' then lo and behold, she does it a few days later, all very reassuring! This is the link

Welcome back SK! Florence is obsessed with her hands - spends ages admiring them from all angles then brings a fist closer and closer to her face until her eyes cross. She also does the laughing up at me, boob in mouth thing - very cute!

DD1 has been poorly on and off all week with some virus thing - sick, sore throat, few days of a temp and just curling up napping next to me on the sofa - today however she has been slightly better and absolutely vile!! - screaming at me about every little thing, hitting me, being a monster generally - we've had some great 'conversations' along the lines of:

dd1:'I want xx'
me: OK, have xx
dd1: no I don't want xx
me: oh alright then...
dd1: but I want it...!!!
me:whatever...
dd1: AAAAAAAAHHHHHgoawaymummy Iwant daddynomummy go away AAAAAAHHHH nooooo!!!!

Culminated in her lying on her back on her trampoline shouting very loudly and repeatedly "I WANT TO BANG MY HEAD!!"

Good grief.

Donutmum - pmsl at your feet being eaten by your flipflops!!Hope they feel better soon.

Right, going to have a hot drink in front of the fire then bed - Florence is still mostly sleeping through (hurrah hurrah!!) though thanks to dd1 being ill and dh snoring I haven't had the benefit of it yet!

Aaah, SK is back, normal service can resume

Had a lovely day out for a picnic with friends (unbelievably good weather, doesn't feel like October at all). However, has culminated in 2 overtired girls and much wailing and gnashing of teeth at bedtime. Despite being shattered, they were awake till 10pm!! Orlaith was asleep before both of them. Speaking of which, I am going to have to start putting her to bed upstairs as she is now regularly falling asleep about 8pm, and sleeping till 11.30ish. She then has another feed, and sleeps till anywhere between 2 and 4 am - then we're on a 2-hourly feeding cycle for the rest of the night.

Minkus could you have a bartholin's cyst?

Am obviously a bad mother - do not remember when I knew I was pg with Orlaith, or telling DH . I do remember getting AF on an overnight flight back from Kansas City on October 12th - only time I've been able to tell the doctor accurately the date of my LMP . However, DH has never been very demonstrative, so did not make a big deal about when we got the BFPs. (just as an aside, does anyone have a demonstrative DH? Mine is so not like that though sometimes I would like him to be. The only time he was out of character, I missed it! According to MIL, he wept a little when I was walking up the aisle at our wedding ).

Libra1975, do not put your LO in front of Razzledazzle - anyf*ckingthing except that. It is the CBeebies programme I hate with a passion, though DD2 loves it and knows the song at the end off by heart. Did have a very amusing conversation with DH where we speculated on exactly what Razzledazzle shakes into his hand to work his magic - I think we decided it was sparkly earwax....

On that delightful note, off for a snack then to bed. Sleep well all.

Thanks for the welcome back ladies well great news to wake up to, as you may have guessed DP works for one of the banks being nationalised this morning (the one in Edinburgh not merging) so we are very worried, but as I told him the last thing the government want to do is make people redundant but it is worrying. Don't think we will be buying a car with his bonus this year somehow!

poledra - agree with razzledazzle it's awful
I have to admit to putting Bethany in front of baby TV in her swing when we have dinner she loves TV but I think it's OK at this age as she's not really getting toys yet and I'm sure it's just like a mobile thing

mcchesers - swing a good investment see if you can get one secondhand though they only last them for 6 months so tend to be in VGC as little babies don't wreck things

purplejenny - sorry to hear about DS1 being poorly hope he's better soon

Right best be off DP off work this week so should be an easier one

lol, ok no more razzledazzle At 7am on a Sunday morning I added the kids channels to our Sky package (£1 a month bargain) and now have BabyTV and BabyFirst to plonk him in front of (in defence I only do this between the hours of 7am and 9am).

SK - Hope your DH is ok. I work in the city as well, not for a bank but for an asset management company which is defintely tightening it's belt, I am hoping this will help my case to go back part-time. I do have friends who have already lost jobs however (Lehmans etc)

Poledra - My LO has the exact same sleeping pattern as yours (apart from the fact he goes to bed upstairs at 7pm) and as much as I am pleased for other mums who have their babies sleeping for 7 hours stretches it is really getting me down that A is not, also it's the uncertainty of how many times he is going to wake up. Sometimes he will sleep to 4am and then go to 6am which is fine but others he will wake up at 2am then 4am then 6am. It is nice to know others are in the other situation (even tho I realise it's not nice for you!) Am thinking of topping up A with formula after the 11pm b/f to see what happens.

PJR - Hope your DD1 is completely better soon.

Isn't it Disneystars Sams operations soon? Hope I haven't got that completely wrong. If it is soon I am thinking of you both. *hugs

Poledra, that woman on razzledazzle gives me the creeps. Luckily don't get it here. Will be getting night garden dvds for logan. He loves Baby Mozart at the mo.,IF I stay with him at all times. He's so adorable at the mo all smiles, even at 4am which isn't that funny.

SK, fingers crossed everything goes okay for your DH. Scary times.

purplejennyrose, thought it was just my DS2 who did that.

right better go cut the logan's nails then kill some ants.

pmsl donutmum ...flesh eating flip plops

Nice to hear from you sk

DS4 had birthday party yesterday at local play place and poor wee man was not very well at all and spent a lot of the time sitting on my knee watching his friends play He has a very heavy cold and bad cough made worse as he has slight asthma. He is still pretty miserable today and now I have cold and Abbie has snuffles...typical because the schools here finished for the holidays last Friday

Hope everyone else is well....oh and yes I do remember getting BFP this time last year...wonder if any on this thread will be repeating the experience any time soon[smile

hi ladies

hope you are all well. Elodie and I are okay but I must admit I have absolutely no game plan re. sleeping, settling etc anymore. Which makes me feel a bit out of control.

i think she would sleep through really well if it wasn't for the dummy falling out and her waking up for it. I am thinking of going cold turkey with it but I just tried with the morning nap and I think i will have to be very prepared for lots of crying (which i haven't really let her do at all)

Anyone had any experience with taking a dummy away? Maybe it a bit early but I think we may all sleep better if she could settle and resettle herself without it.

Also wanted to ask at what point are you planning to change the pram to stroller mode? Here in Scandinavia, they have huge bouncey prams that they keep their kids in until they are about 2 or something. i must admit that they do look cosy in the winter, with pillows and duvets etc. But I have a Pliko pramette which Elodie will soon outgrow the pram mode for.
I am actually contemplating buying an urban detour second hand as it may be more comfy on the bumpy cobbles around here and you can run with it too (or hobble, as I do).

good to see you SK mcchesers - could it be teething? have had similar feeding issues and HV said she has a tooth coming.

TJuice, I never have a gameplan for anything, as I find what my babies need varies from day to day. It doesn't mean you're out of control, just responsive to your baby's needs . You sound a bit down, are you OK? I prescribe some cake, I think!

I remember the look on DP face when i told him i was pregnant!! and the horrible morning sickness.. We've all come along way since then.

SK
Hope you DP is ok job wise, it really is worrying times. We are on eco mood in this house. But as they say every penny helps.

DonutMum
Hope your feet are ok, i had to read your post a few times... But glad there not falling off..

DD1 driving me mad!! DD2 into all sorts and DD3 is an angel.. I am really lazy today for some reason... But the sun is out so thats good..

Oh I am tired today do you think I could curl up on the sofa for 10 mins without the house being flooded or wrecked. DP has gone out for a run but he said "OK SK I am going for a run when I get back you can you your ironing" yes thanks very much so considerate of you I look after the DDs then when you come back I can iron, he's gone out with a flea in his ear men eh?

Second lot of jabs for Bethany today, got her weighed too, 13lbs 6ozs the little porker, a couple of mums were in the waiting room from last time too including one whose little boy was 16lbs maybe B not a porker. Jabs were fine DD2 was getting her meningitis one too, she was bribed with chocolate.

I remember getting the CBD and DP on the phone upstairs and I was desperate to pee on it and was telling mumsnet as usual, I got so fed up I peed on it and went upstairs and just handed him the test with the big PREGNANT on it, yes then there was the sickness and the bleeding and thinking I was having another mc, we have come so far haven't we.

Tjuice - I don't have a routine or anything, B just kind of fits around everything else going on, I find they fall into their own routine eventselfually. With DD1 it was the same fed when she was hungry, slept when she was tired. Don't beat yourself up too much your doing a great job. No advice about dummies I'm afraid, I do have friends who say the quicker you can get them off them the better as it's less of a battle than if they are toddlers and have a dummy but I don't know.

minipink - aww Happy Birthday to your DS hope he feels better soon and we have good weather for the school hols. Yes I wonder who will be first on the thread for a BFP my moneys on one of the first timers I reckon Pigley

libralady - yes it does get you down when you hear of babies sleeping through the night and your doesn't I cosleep and feed her whne she wakes then we all fall back asleep, I find it's the other two that are the problem though they come into our room loads during the night although DP gets up with them it still wakes you. I wonder what it feels like to go to bed at 11pm and not get up to 7am the next morning?

I actually did a pregnancy test the other day - it was negative thank God!! (you may remember I had a drunken shag where we used the unreliable Catholic method of withdrawal) I'd been feeling queasy and knackered and began to panic. Looks like it was a virus not a baby! DH has got his vasectomy appt for November!

isaidno/boo

Actually we have been using that particular method as well combined with the other "I am BFing and not having periods" method.

No way DP would have the snip.

SK- For me to be first would mean getting back into the saddle!
We still havent got that far! It doesnt feel right with Abigail in the room with us IYKWIM!
Thankfully Sex isnt a huge thing in our relationship. We actually moved in together before we got that far.

Tjuice- we dont have a routine for Abigail either.. she is kinda finding her own way but thats from her and not us.

Aww pigley I've not been in the saddle that much myself I know what you mean about them being in the same room too kind of offputting even if they are asleep. I have a friend that used to erm do it whilst her wee boy was crawling around the room she said she could keep an eye on him then. Also know of babies put in their prams in front of cbeebies but I never could. I just think you sound like you would want another sooner rather than later.

My friend is ttc no 2 just now and she had her baby in May I said she has fallen for the classic mistake I did i.e have one baby who is really easy and think I want another but having a 5month old is different to a toddler and you might get one that's not so easy (DD2)

sk- Yeah we have said we would have another but at the mo we have decided to move to a bigger place this time next year and then start trying.
Part of me likes the idea of another very soon but also understand how hard it would be!

Ive just put a pic of Abigail in her swimming costume on Facebook. She looks soo cute!

hah - isaidno - I think I need to take another test actually. we have been using the catholic method too . . .and I have been feeling a bit queasy.

but i haven't had a period yet so hopefully ok. i am definitely NOT up for another until Elodie is about 3 years old. She is adorable but in some ways, I am looking forward to going back to work part-time . . . bad mum, bad mum!!!

it is soooo crazy what happens in a year, isn't it? i had been so upset about my m/c and had been TTC for a month but knew nothing about cycles and when to test etc. So I was just weeing on sticks left right and center and getting upset because I wasn't pg again. And then I did one one morning and a really faint line came up. And I checked the one I had done a few days before that was in the bathroom bin and there was a faint line on that too! I had lobbed it in there when it didn't come up immediately and missed it.
What an amazing day that was . . .

Thanks for the support on my lack of routine, though.
I have progressed from a follower of GF routine (although in a very relaxed manner) to a mum who wakes up at 10.00am with the baby (can't believe she sleeps that long). Weirdly though, she gets back on track in the day and is down in bed by 7pm.

It just the dummy-falling-out thing that has to end - as I want to move her to her own little room soon. We have to prepare ourselves to go cold turkey on it and let the crying begin.

I try to get into a bit of a routine, but every day ends up different anyway! Today I fed every 2/3 hours but sometimes he lasts 5 hors in the day. Sometimes our day starts at 6.15, and sometimes not til 8. I generally go with what he wants. No advice about dummy here, but I think probably cold turkey is best -if you can bear it...

I do remember being happy this time last year, but coming straight after a m/c the month before I couldn't really feel confident, so it was sort of miserable too, if you get what I mean. Now I sort of feel grateful that the first one didn't work out, otherwise Rory wouldn't exist, but sad about it too - wondering what it would have been like. Does that make sense?

TJuice I gave my dd a special comforter blanket toy thingy when I took her dummy away. It was something she could stroke, hold. She still sleeps with it!

I started the withdrawal by taking it away as soon as she fell asleep, then eventually removed it totally at around 8 months (after her first set of teeth came through). I have no problem with dummies, but like you got sick of dd waking up and looking for it.
Good luck! Some babies love to suck!

A year ago our little boy was made in Vienna! After so many mc I did not take my test until just after xmas.

I took the dummy off both ds at their 2nd birthday, and there was no fuss at all - just said they were big boys now. I was very strict about it only being used in bed, not anywhere else though. Poppy wouldn't have a dummy, but now she constantly has her middle 2 fingers in her mouth. They're all red and wrinkly! I think she is def teething, but the boys didn't get a tooth until 6 mths.

Poppy still waking twice a night most nights here - it is beginning to annoy me every time someone asks is she sleeping through... She's so cute I forgive her anyway!