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largeginandtonic · 23/07/2008 08:26

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Pinkjenny · 21/08/2008 14:05

Scoot - I've actually typed WASP into google, as that very question has bugged me so much. Kirsten Cohen was always referred to as a WASP by Seth.

I thought that about TMAM. I'm definitely amongst the more, ahem, mature ladies on here as well.

Are you horrified by my fighting antics? Am I turning into a thug, do you think?

twelveyeargap · 21/08/2008 14:12

White Anglo Saxon Protestant - as in Bree Van de Kamp/ Hodge.

"which in your terminology is bollocks" You're on form today, Lady. I think they tried that whole language learning stuff in the UK about 20 years ago, which explains why DH has no idea what a noun or verb is, for example. I do, because I went to school in Ireland. Phew!

PJ - I am NEVER quick enough to say things like that. I am only funny online. And even that is pushing it!

Pinkjenny · 21/08/2008 14:17

Oh, I see! I've never returned to Desperate Housewives after the second series. I struggle with things that are a bit ambiguous and have 'twists'. I much prefer some straightforward teen angst.

TYG - honestly, I was just tipped over the edge, both times!

TheGreatScootini · 21/08/2008 14:18

Well hurry up MKG because enquiring minds needs to know.

Im not horrified.Im quite proud.But then I am Northern too, and thus not averse to a good scrap (but only if involves a miner/pint of bitter/a whippet, of course).
Concerned for your child?Because she was crying?Blimey if my neghbours thought like that they would've had the social on me by now the way dearest L kicks off The people in your park and Drs are very odd indeed by the sounds.Be careful though love..you dont want to get stabbed with an umberella by some old Granny with a vendetta..

TheGreatScootini · 21/08/2008 14:20

Do you have to be wealthy to be a WASP I assume?Kind of Long Islandy/Kennedy type?

twelveyeargap · 21/08/2008 14:25

Oh, TMAM, forgot. Thanks for that.

I have tried to remove most things, but there always seems to be SOMETHING lying around. I need to be more thorough. She's too smart for the old mobile/ remote trick because old mobiles (a) don't light up when you press the buttons and (b) don't elicit a response from me when she picks them up. Likewise, she knows how to change channels with the real remote.

Drip feeding raisins might work, though her new trick is so exciting, I'm not sure there is any deterrent. It's the "get up on the sofa, jump around, deliberately fall on top of Mammy and O, roll off the sofa, bang head and start crying" game. No amount of books, jigsaws, shape sorters or toy animals has dragged her from that one yet. I expect she'll get bored of the whole thing and lose interest soon.

twelveyeargap · 21/08/2008 14:30

Well the Kennedy's were of Irish decent, and therefore not strictly speaking, "Anglo Saxon" or indeed, Protestant! But yes, it initially applied to wealthier types, though now is a less precise in its definition.

AprilMeadow · 21/08/2008 14:32

That is so funny PJ! Well done for standing up for yourself. Dont worry when you come down to me i can let you sit and watch all of series 3 of DHW

TYG good to see you. Sorry to see that A is being a tad challenging at the moment. I cant offer any advice/tips really because J was in nursery 4 days a week when E came along so i only had 3 days a week where i had to entertain him and 2 of those days were the weekend.... Would love to pop over and see you all at some point if you feel like a visitor. I can bring cake.... i made a lovely nigella creation yesterday. Victoria sponge with lemon butter cream and raspberries - very yummy

I have finally got J's bedroom all up straight. I have re-arranged all his furniture and put all his pictures on the wall and all his toys away. Looks lovely. Going to do E's tomorrow

TheGreatScootini · 21/08/2008 15:27

TYG you are like the Almanac of Total knowledge.
But I was referring to Carl Kennedy off neghbours in fact..No I wasnt really..I did have a serious crush on him in my youth though.Can you tell I am overtired..I am now speaking gibberish

Off soon to pick up kiddos and let the games begin at L's bedtime again.On the plus side I am surely doing alot of exercise what with all the going up stairs every 2 minutes to put her back in bed

ShowOfHands · 21/08/2008 15:29

Desperate Housewives too, lordy you people need to go to the theatre once in a while. I don't know what Hilly Trees is either. Speaking of the theatre, my BIL is dancing with the English National Ballet atm in... Angelina Ballerina! He has to wear a mouse head with the usual obligatory tights. If any of you with age-appropriate children are interested, I hear it is excellent.

MKG, thank you for the explanations. I have many more questions but it's not fair to bug you. I'm still confused about saltwater taffy as that picture you linked too looks like toffee. What do you think toffee is? I suffered from the revolutionary lack of grammar in schools that was trialled and subsequently failed in the 80s. Thankfully I had a natural interest in language (2 of my 3 degrees will attest to this) and learnt it anyway. I find the current lack of knowledge concerning grammar, semantics, pragmatics and semiotics utterly depressing. When I'm PM I'll shake things up a bit. And redecorate Number 10 with tie-dye and hemp.

PJ, I love Dirty Dancing, it's my guilty secret. Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm concerned about you. Those mad people you encountered are clearly sanctimonious, sticky-beaked twits but you were very, very angry with them. This doesn't sound like you. It's my Buddhist temperament coming out I'm sure but you shouldn't let their negativity enter your life. You must accept and acknowledge that they are fuckers misguided but maintain your own calm. Or trip them up.

TYG, I completely understand your frustration. You refer to my "wonderful placid nature and intrinsic understanding of children" which I am sure is code for 'lazy and immature'. You've been misled. Firstly, the library is terrible. A children's library with such ridiculous rules about pushchairs and jobsworth workers (they're not librarians, public libraries don't employ librarians anymore, it's too expensive which is disgusting) is pitiful. Our local library and the mobile van that I walk to in the village is fabulous. Leaving their stairs open so that children are tempted is stupid. Tilda loves Wibbly Pig, Spot, that Ollie duck, Peepo Baby, Each Peach and any lift the flap books atm. I find that music CDs are brillig. M loves them and dances/sings/does the actions. On here I have the Head/Shoulders and Wheels on the Bus CDs. She does the actions and is entertained for hours. She loves it even more if I sing along in a silly voice. There's a MNer, I think it's Aitch that says you have to remember the 'fucked-upness' of the world according to children. The rules are arbitrary seemingly. We try to teach them by demonstration that we are there when they need us, we don't withold affection then all of a sudden a new baby comes along and they don't really understand the concept of siblings and sharing and suddenly no you can't have my attention and a cuddle now, you must wait. It's a good lesson to learn but it makes no sense of course when you're just learning. Similarly, don't touch that radiator/TV dial/knife doesn't make sense. Why was I encouraged to touch and feel things for months and praised for my inquisitiveness when today I'm admonished and restrained. Again, it's safety, but why are certain objects out of reach. I applaud Mathilda for climbing the stairs, but I shout a warning when she's halfway up the fireguard (alarming regularity). I never, ever underestimate the power of talking and explaining to M. I think it's important to say 'I understand you want to do that but here's why you can't' and then distract, distract, distract with that silly high-pitched/excited voice that's delivered with the placenta. "Oh look, it's fantabulous, over there, can you see, ooh I can't contain my excitement, it's a shoe, a magic shoe, look, look darling offspring". Either they look and wander off or stare at you like you're nuts. I just try to remember how the world looks through her eyes and how frustrating it is to be so small.

Oooh, was going to type more but the bank's on the phone. Will be back...

Pinkjenny · 21/08/2008 15:30

Have just started a thread about washing L's hair, and the drama that ensues. Apparently I am terrifying her with the hair dryer. FGS.

elkiedee · 21/08/2008 15:41

PJ, you're lucky you don't live in London. I nearly get into sooo many fights every day.

Pinkjenny · 21/08/2008 15:44

Honestly, I never usually get into fights, two in one week was very strange. Although I can be quite stroppy.

Pinkjenny · 21/08/2008 15:48

SOH - it's very interesting and perceptive of you to notice my anger. My mum told me on the phone earlier that she was very worried about me as I'm 'not the same girl' since all this stuff with dh has been going on. She read me an Oscar Wilde quote, something like, 'Never be offended. Only small people get offended'.

Is BIL the sexy Shipwrecked auditionee?

ShowOfHands · 21/08/2008 16:00

2 BILs. One (shipwrecked auditionee) has a purple VW campervan, travels the world, plays rugby, is calm, chilled, super-friendly and rather fit chap

Two, professional ballet dancer, also super fit but a worrier, lot like dh in temperament, nicest person I know besides dh.

Then there's SIL who is super-chilled, super-friendly and plays rugby for England.

Best not mention the farking bank.

charleymouse · 21/08/2008 17:02

Gosh too much to keep up with today ladies.

Scoot meetup on Tuesday sounds great, have car wil travel or you can pop round ours and I'll put the kettle on and provide delicious homebaked nigella style produce bakewell puddings as nephew works at tea shop which owns bakewell pudding shop.

I am also up for pyjama party

PJ this does not sound like you, are you okay dear?

MKG thank you for educating us in the ways of over the pond.

12YG am not doing very well at the mo but can point you in direction of links in absence of LG&T www.mumsnet.com/Talk/1375/591021?pg=1 Would not normally advocate it but unfortunately in our household DD had been introduced to CBeebies whilst I was in hospital and that saved the day re feeding G. When not feeding tried to spend loads of quality time - have you tried popping her in the highchair with some cornflour mixed with water. Great fun although bloody messy.

Elkie G got his teething bookstart pack this week from nursery. DH has read to him twice already. Think they are bonding at the mo DH not really a baby person prefers small people.

April well done on getting Js bedroom sorted it is the first thing we did get As room sorted when we moved and she just keeps trashing it.

Abby Ooh I remember being a bookworm, can't read a book to save my life these days, if its not one thing needs doing its another. I can't keep track of you guys never mind read a book.

TMAM you are not 10 million years older than me. CM looks round and whispers "I am as old as the hills".

Bank what bank SOH. Hope you are getting things sorted.

Pinkjenny · 21/08/2008 17:17

OK, now I'm starting to feel a bit like I am the psycho.

They were being mean, honest. Anyway, off home, will catch up tomorrow.

Themasterandmargaritas · 21/08/2008 17:33

Forgot to say MKG, you made me chuckle today Can we talk boogers?

Pink I too am slightly at you having a go at those totally in the wrong people. Rise above them, you are better than they are. However it is great news that M is supportive of you quitting your job, at least you are talking.

Oooooh SOH, I totally you with your BILs. We would love to see Angelina Ballerina dd would just so love it. I am trying to get her into the Conservatoire here to have proper ballet lessons as it seems she is quite good and the lessons they have at school are a little amateurish.

Has the bank not given you your money back yet? Are they going to compensate you? Is it a 540 Nigerian scam?

I am not sure I totally agree with your lentil weaving theories regarding exactly what a toddler understands and defining their boundaries, but then MrsJB (back me up here oh laptop-fixed one)and I come from the fascist school of parenting and since there has been too much fighting going on and because your dh has a truncheon I am happy to leave that discussion til you get on the plane boat to come and visit me.

TYG, I too was going to mention some kind of water play but I thought that was perhaps too much to handle If A likes pressing buttons and getting sounds and likes reading, how about a Little Touch Leapad? J loves his. As a last resort there is always a MN no no a playpen.

Scoot i hope you have a better night, I too am feeling a bit yeuky today, I hope it is a bug and not my atrocious cooking otherwise I will have poisoned six other people, all now camping in the Maasai Mara. Yes,yes please to the mags, please send your address again, I lost it and need to send something to you...

Charley you can bring your zimmer over here and share a sweet sherry with me anytime.

Hey Domestic Goddess/Playgirl Racing Bunny, try Nigella's strawberry shortcakes, they are a winner.

ShowOfHands · 21/08/2008 17:35

No, no, no PJ. The fact that they were being thoroughly mean is acknowledged by us all and we blow our noses in their general direction. We are only worried that sunny PJ who can laugh in the face of such twonkiness is channelling cross PJ who lets the numpties get to her. We just worry you're tired and stressed that's all. We understand why you did it (and let's face it we all have days/weeks/months like it) we just worry you're a wee bit anxious. We love you.

I love the idea of a pj party. I've never had girly friends really and never done the pj party thing. I'll even watch One OC Hills in Beverly or whatever.

twelveyeargap · 21/08/2008 19:14

TMAM! I got a lovely parcel from Kenya! Thank you.

I have just had the most hideous bath time. Dear GOD! Managed to have a really nice dinner time with A, doing jigsaws and having a chat at the table. Fed O, but he was windy and grumpy so brought him up to the bathroom in his chair. Back down to get A and her milk. Left her undressed down to nappy in bathroom whilst I pegged it back down for the bedtime book. Ran back up and found her making her way down the stairs with nappy off and sh't EVERYWHERE. I was nearly sick. I know it's only poo and I change her nappy 6 times a day, but it was smeared all over the bathroom floor, the hall and all over her hands and body. (Thankfully she hadn't thought to smear it on O). Put her in the shower cubicle to rinse the poo off whereupon the shower head disconnected itself from the hose and soaked me and half the bathroom. Turned the air blue with expletives. Had to let the water out of the bath and put her in there and shower her off with that shower head. She was not amused, kept trying to stand up, but I'd moved the bathmat so as not to get poo stuck in it so I had to keep sitting her down in case she fell. All the while O was yelling bloody murder. Shut off water and did emergency clean up with baby wipes. Got A out and put her in her cot wrapped in a towel while I went back for O and she started screaming like a banshee. Managed to get O to take a dummy for two minutes whilst I got her dressed and sat her on beanbag with her milk, picked up the crying boy and managed to keep him quiet enough to be able to read her story. Nnngh. It's no wonder A is attention seeking. We used to have calm, quiet bedtimes.

I usually manage to get O to sleep while I do her bath and bed, but the nights I don't...

Unbelievably, she's gone down without a peep.

I need to find a way to tie the boy onto my back. I have a wrap sling and a Babasling, but the Babasling doesn't feel secure on my back and the Didymos instructions don't recommend the back ties until they can hold their heads up. Having a sling on my front doesn't work at bathtime, because I can't lean over the bath or lift A properly.

On the up side, she took her milk from a Tommy Tippee cup this evening. Bottles went a few weeks ago when she consented to have milk from a bottle with a soft spout. We got afternoon milk onto a sippy cup after that and now bedtime milk so I can ditch the bottles altogether.

A glass of Malbec is taking the edge off my jangling nerves.

elkiedee · 21/08/2008 19:22

TYG, ugh! I'm getting worried now about what D will get up to when his brother turns up. I expect jealousy will be an issue, he gets it when his CM and her dh pick up the other kids, particularly the next-youngest. But at least dp should be around most nights to help.

Themasterandmargaritas · 21/08/2008 19:36

....and breathe TYG .

Apart from the poop incident, it all sounds far too familiar, sorry lovely.

Over here all the babies are carried on the back, they use kikois and kangas which are the same as a sarong, tie it diagonally across the chest as you are leaning forward with O already balanced on your back, takes a bit of practice but it does support the head. I suspect finding an existing gadget designed for back wearing might be easier

Glad the parcel arrived safely, I think my spelling was a bit off...

twelveyeargap · 21/08/2008 20:16

The Didymos sling is like the yokies used in Africa. I just need to learn to tie it!

TBH, have done the "stressful" bathtimes a few times, but the poo just pushed me over the edge. Wondering WTF DH is too. Not answering his phone and not at work since an hour ago.

I have a "major incident" RIGHT outside my house. RIGHT outside. The police are even on their phones saying "outside number TYG's house". I heard all this shouting looked out and saw a load of police with guns pulling a guy out of a car they had boxed in. There were undercover police running up the road putting police caps on. They went through the boot and removed a gun and a 5 litre container. Bomb making equipment maybe?

They're not letting anyone onto the street and shouted at the neighbour across the road to stay inside "for his own safety". Terribly exciting. Can you tell I don't get out much? I wonder will it be on the news?

AprilMeadow · 21/08/2008 20:32

Oh jesus TYG what a nightmare! I'm not good with poo, sick yes, poo no.

Its all go at yours then! Will keep a look out on the news

TMAM, are you interested in the trashy mags such as Heat and OK!? If so then i am more than happy to send my used copies out to you

TheGreatScootini · 21/08/2008 20:47

Well you wouldnt have thought it of leafy North London!?..what has happened now?!How exciting!I will watch London Tonight avidly!

I too am from the Fascist school of thought and left M in her baby chair thingy whilst I dealt with L at bathtime, bedtime, lunch, during the 10 tantrums an hour..and if M cried she cried (unless she was hungry or needed a nappy change or there was a clear source of discomfort obv).It hasnt done her any lasting harm I dont think..in fact she is remarkably calm
I do feel for you with the poo though..even as a seasoned care professional who has dealth with plenty of code brown incidents in my time I think that would have given me trouble

TMAM Will email..Will post your mags next week.I got a free copy of 'The Lady' at work today, not fancy that, no? (Who reads that?)

Im not that worried about our PJ.She has had a shite time of it of late and has rightly lost her rag with some twits who should mind their own.Maybe better to do it with them than at home with DH and make things worse.As long as she doesnt pick on someone bigger than her and get herself in bother..

Charley email me your addy [email protected] and we will fix a time..Think will come on my way back to London as pretty much on the way.Looking forward to it.

Will speak to DH re prospective dates for PJ party when he gets back from college!How exciting!I have always got on better with boys too SOH, and I dont think I ever got to go to a real PJ party either..

Lil went to bed after only 10 mins tonight.Maybe the war is over.(Ha, I expect she has made only a tactical retreat and will launch a counter attack by getting up at 4am)

Have two mates coming over for pre festy dinner tomorrow before we head off on Saturday and the house is a total bombsite.So thats my day off accounted for.Humph.