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JamInMyWellies · 19/06/2008 14:55

New thread needed.

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elkiedee · 25/06/2008 10:48

D has been in a cot in our room since he outgrew his Moses basket, but that's due to our failure to clear out his room to make room for him. A problem that's now becoming urgent.

PJ, using the spare room for some sort of compromise solution sounds like a good idea.

dp's evening shift so I'll be wandering the streets with a buggy until D falls asleep this evening. Let's wish us both luck PJ and everyone else too of course.

Jam, what time is your midwife appt?

JamInMyWellies · 25/06/2008 10:53

PJ I know when A was having sleep probs a while ago I tried PUPU and I found it made him even more bonkers.

Why is DH against the cot being in your room it will be quite a natural progression for her then she is used to falling asleep in your room could you take the side off it so you can sort of roll her from your bed into it.

I know you ideally want her in her own room but this is like little baby steps.

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Pinkjenny · 25/06/2008 10:56

I think its more the fact that him and my dad nearly had a coronary assembling it, that to get it down and put it back up again sounds like something he doesn't want to do.

I've just had a quick look at bed rails, but they all look like she could fall through them!

Right that's it! I am having a bedside cot with my next one!

JamInMyWellies · 25/06/2008 10:57

SOh hello! We have been looking at that for A DP is very keen to get it for his bike

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JamInMyWellies · 25/06/2008 11:00

will find the link in a mo but Lindam do one which is kind of squishy netting not bars IYKWIM

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Pinkjenny · 25/06/2008 11:00

OOOH Jam - you are a lifesaver!

JamInMyWellies · 25/06/2008 11:01

if that is the prob, why dont you go to ikea and get a cheapo 20quid one

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ShowOfHands · 25/06/2008 11:07

PJ you're not a failure or crap. You are very, very stressed though which is exacerbating the problem. You'll be like a coiled spring at bedtime which your clever little girl will pick up on.

Can I also point out that developmentally while a child is learning to walk and for a few weeks afterwards, their sleep is knackered if you'll pardon the pun. Every book I read, every 'baby development' email I get says it. Their brain is busy developing their physical coordination and sleep (which is developmental I promise you) becomes a secondary concern. DD's never been a bad sleeper but for a few weeks she struggled and it was while she was learning to and practicing walking. Just remember that there are other factors making it twice as difficult right now.

You're so wound up that you're not in the right place for settling her, she's taking her cues from you. This may be partly why you're so upset by your Mum's comments too as you're on a short fuse atm. I think they're just Mum comments really (irritating and frustrating but born of a complicated mother/daughter relationship- she'd be mortified if she knew how upset you were, I promise you).

We did this at the weekend. It was a good thing for Mathilda to watch. It shows that Mummy can be nervous but overcome things. This is a good thing to teach your child. When she does something new like riding on Daddy's bike, she can see the anxiety in your face. If you clap and show her it's all good fun (and mean it), she'll learn a valuable lesson. It's different and new but it's a good thing. She can then transfer this knowledge to being left to sleep alone. I'm not criticising you, I promise I'm not. I've learnt the hard way that when I'm anxious and unhappy, Mathilda is the same. Are you still going to this group of yours? How are things with dh?

Lups, read as far as your news. Congratulations. I can understand your terror but if the GP is positive then you can afford to relax a little. The transition from 1 to 2 is so much harder than 2 to 3. It's going to be fabulous.

Pinkjenny · 25/06/2008 11:09

A bed rail from Ikea? Or a cot from Ikea? The travel cot is up in our room, but I'm thinking that's bad for her back? Or I could put the mattress from her cot into the travel cot? She would wake up as soon as I put her down, I know she would, like she did last night.

The bed rail solution won't work because our bed is so big. I couldn't cover the whole thing with bed railf .

Honestly, I'm even boring myself with this subject.

elkiedee · 25/06/2008 11:10

Jam, those sound like great suggestions for PJ. I was going to suggest trying some sort of travel cot - they're the sort of thing that regularly appears on freecycle.

ShowOfHands · 25/06/2008 11:10

We had the Lindam squashy one with our old bed. Was fine.

Jam, don't post next to me, I don't want to catch your pregnancy.

elkiedee · 25/06/2008 11:12

Crosspost, but I don't see why a travel cot should be bad for a baby's back, I think D's cot mattress is pretty similar thickness to the travel cot ones we've used.

Pinkjenny · 25/06/2008 11:13

God, SOH, I never realised you were such a daredevil.

I completed the group and it was great, and I am not feeling anxious, tbh, I just don't want to go to bed at 8pm!

I agree with you with the bike thing, definitely, she was crapping herself because a) she couldn't see anything, and b) I was crapping myself.

I'm not anxious at bedtime, but I know I will be if and when I start trying to get her to sleep in her room. Its the anticipation of it that's making me anxious.

Things with dh are the same, I never see him because he's always at work, so no time to argue. Although we have agreed to put all our money in the joint account and take an agreed amount each month, which should help the money arguments.

elkiedee · 25/06/2008 11:13

Sorry SOH

JamInMyWellies · 25/06/2008 11:19

whatevvva SOH i know you want it Bloody nora SOH thats one brave girl you are going to have.

Unless when Lexie is asleep she wiggles all the way down your bed that rail will be fine, actually its the one they recommend you get when co sleeping.

As ever I do agree with what SOH is saying if you are anxious stressed etc that will transfer and as we have already figure out your LO is one fiesty little lady, have no idea where that comes from

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twelveyeargap · 25/06/2008 11:21

PJ, It might be better to just forget about the cot. I don't think S ever slept in hers past a couple of months old. It's not the end of the world. Put a mattress or futon in her room and get her settled in there at night. You could even go for a bed with guard rail option for later, but just use the mattress of it for now, so she can't fall far, isywim. Then you can settle her on the mattress, in her own room and when she's a bit bigger, you can pop the mattress on the frame.

You can get bed frame, mattress and rail for less than £100 in Ikea. When she's ready to move from mattress to bed, you can do it up with a nice duvet. In them mean time, you can settle her on her mattress by giving her bottle on the mattress and letting her fall asleep and then you can go without moving her and get on with your evening. She'll get used to waking in her own room, which will help. Does she sleep in a grobag/ sleeping bag? Better for a mattress because she can't kick the blankets off and if she rolls onto the floor, then she might not even wake up as she won't get cold.

FWIW, and it's none of my business, YOU need to do what's right for you. You don't need your parents saying things like "I think you should wait." I'm sticking my neck out here, but I don't really see how that's a helpful comment. What difference does it make if your parents are on holiday anyway? You're the one raising your child. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

JamInMyWellies · 25/06/2008 11:22

Pj it may not be anxiousness but frustration she is sensing in which case she is defo playing you up as you already know

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ShowOfHands · 25/06/2008 11:31

Yes anxious might not be the right word. Extremely bothered maybe. My Dad and fil are both extremely laidback. They only have to pick dd up and she's asleep in their arms.

High ropes course was brillig.

TYG, reading about your slapstick cistern situation. Blardy hell.

Pinkjenny · 25/06/2008 11:31

TYG - not harsh at all - it makes a difference because we're going with them!!!

Jam - she definitely knows how to play me up. Bless her. I think you've all given me some wonderful advice to chew over. I've just been in to the Finance Director who started a random conversation with me about his kids and how his eldest was in their bed til he was 3.

Strange how you think its only you!!!

twelveyeargap · 25/06/2008 11:40

I thought you meant they were going away. When is this holiday? If you have a few weeks then you might as well get on with it now. You never know, you might get things a bit more sorted and actually be able to enjoy your evenings away.

You read my post about the woman sleeping with her son til he was 12 didn't you? Listen, as long as you take the window of opportunity at around 18 months that both SOH and I mentioned, then I can't see L being in your bed forever. You can try some things in the mean time, but from what's been going on, I'm thinking that there's no way you're going to do CC. Move on and decide what you're comfortable with. You're not comfortable with going to bed and staying there from 8pm. That's normal and reasonable. Now you have to work out solution you are all happy with in the short and long term. Most of all, stop worrying about what other people think.

No rescue call from childminder.... I left a voicemail for her at 10 when I rang to check. Reminded her that I'd definitely rather come back if A was really upset. Am going to get her at 12 and am praying they haven't let her cry too much. They were doing a really good job of showing her toys and entertaining her and most of all distracting her when I left.

TillyScoutsmum · 25/06/2008 11:43

PJ- if you had a mattress in your spare room - could you go up to bed with her as normal and then leave her once she's asleep do you think ? If that works, then maybe start reducing the time you stay with her before you leave until you're hopefully putting her down, lying with her for a few minutes and then going. Sort of like a very very gradual retreat ?

Might be worth a go

Don't beat yourself up about it. You're not crap and it won't last forever

Pinkjenny · 25/06/2008 11:46

Me? Stop worrying about what people think? Never!!!

We are going on our jollies a week on Tuesday. I am really excited, L is going to love it!! I've just sent dh an email saying, 'I've seen these pink bed rails...', he hasn't responded.

Tilly - you're only in Birmingham, get up the M6 and help me, woman!

TillyScoutsmum · 25/06/2008 11:49

I'd be happy to help - but bear in mind, it took me 12 months to sort Til out and even then, I had to let dp do the difficult bit. I'm just as much of a wuss as you

We should meet up though (am very of all these meet ups) - maybe somewhere like Staffordshire - only an hour or so from both of us

Pinkjenny · 25/06/2008 11:56

Ooooh, that would be great.

Dh still not replied re the bed rails.

ShowOfHands · 25/06/2008 12:05

Send him another email and say you're naked. He'll reply in seconds or come home.

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