1st YEAR FUN Oct 06 babies

[Rumpel]

Over here now?

Morning All,

Pmoore - I've lost 5.5 lbs only another 2.5 stone to go!! Well done you what are you doing? We are going to try again when I've lost the weight and after BIL marriage on June 30th - I'd like a lovely frock for that.
My DH kept saying to everyone when we got pressies for LO that all she really wanted was a 48inch LCD!! No one took the hint though Prettycandles started a 50 sits ups a day club - but she seems to have gone awol!

Youngmum- My LO always wakes at 3-4am then goes back to sleep after I give her her dummy, then she wakes at 6-7am for food. Then she might go down again after an hour for an hours sleep. I think it is really hard to tell and they just suit themselves really! I suppose they'll be just like us - some days we need more sleep than others depending on how we feel.

My LO is being weighed tomorrow so I'll let you know how she compares to all your LO's - she was the lightest to begin with, although she is one of the oldest in our mummy club.

She was fine after the 3rd lot of jags - yet she felt poorly after the first 2 sets.

Emzickle - sending virtual hugs. Do you not think that your hormones are probably all over the joint at the moment? Have you considered agnus castus tincture? I've started taking it again this last week to regulate my hormones - it can even help to increase your breast milk if you are bf. As for menfolk - they just don't have the same mindset as us. Maybe he is just rebelling at the weight of responsibility on his shoulders? After all, they are brought up to feel that they are responsible for their families. Are you shutting him out at all? You know what us women are like - we like things done just so. My hubby does his best but lets face it they never do things just the way we like it! Maybe your DP has given up trying? Why don't you ask your best friend what she means by your light going out? Does she feel it is related to your DP? Or is she just a wee bit jealous? Are you gettin any time to yourself at all? To go for a bath or shop on your own - could be what you need to feed your inner self. Why don't you try writing down why you feel angry and how you feel in general and reading it over then maybe discussing it with your DP? Don't know what else to say really apart from I hope it gets better for you soon. Another thing you could try, if you don't really want to go to the docs is 5HTP - it's a non prescription anti-depressant - you'll get it on worldwideshoppingmall. Big HUGS.

Mellin,i have a mothers help from OZ,but i only work p-time and she is live in.I cant afford anything else.
Emzickle,yes pnd can come on later but motherhood is big shock to the system and can take a while to adjust,plus men tend to carry on as usual which can makeyou very resentful,my Dh got serious gyp about that from me,so he is very gd now,but with our first one he was a git and just did his usual.It may of course be PMT are you due on?
Well i hope you feel better soon,see the Dr,maybe someone to talk to will really help,big hugs x.
I would like another baby to,but im not sure my undercarriage can handle another birth,not after the battereing it took with this one

Emzickle: do go and see your GP. They are there to help you. Also, do make sure you keep talking to people - I think that's the most important thing when you're feeling down. Re your partner, having a new baby is a massive strain on any relationship, and if there were any stresses before they'll be magnified. Do try and talk to him about it as well as talking to your friends.

Mellin: W seems to be very shouty at the moment, esp when whe's tired (but will he go down for a nap? Oh no). We're coping at the moment by taking him on lots of long walks to wear him out! His feeding pattern has changed as well, which I think has unsettled him (i.e. he needs a nap but isn't hungry and he usually feeds to sleep when we're at home).

DH about to go on walk duty, so I'm planning to have a run.

Good afternoon ladies. Had a real night of it last night.Had a day at home yesterday. I had amega spring clean starting with'that' kitchen drawer and I have a cupboard in my hall where I put my 'stuff' that just gets chucked in there. Feeling very proud of myself. Had a yummy roast dinner which I havnt made in yonks. Bathed the boys and got them off to bed by 8 as usual. All was well. About 10pm ds3 was crying. Took hima drink and gave him some Calpol as he was feeling a bit hot. 10.20. he startes again. Big cuddles and more drink. 10.30. him again. Got him up and turned tele off and cuddled in the dark. Back to bed. 10.48 he starts again. Took him into my bed where he slept till about 11.15. Back to his own bed. 11.30 he starts again. dh delt with him after this as I was expecting lo to wake about 12.30 for a feed. Next thing it was 2.30 am and ds3 was crying again. More medicine and a drink. Next minute its 7.30am and lo was crying for his feed. So in other words my lo had slept through for the first time but ds3 was up all bloody night. Taking him to the docs at 2. If its not one its the other. Ho hum.......

mega spring clean

Emzickle - im sorry that your feeling so down

taffy - re the breastfeeding. It normaly takes me 2 day to get more milk flowing to fill the bottles easier, we used to use formula, but dont bother anymore as it seemed to be giving lo an upset tummy. i use an avent manual pump, which works fine

lo has her 2nd lot of jabs on friday

rumpel- I go to slimming world with FIL so I have a bit of competition. I am finding it tough as I keep thinking of Maltesers!! Some days it does get to me. The things we have to do.
LOL at the LCD TV, when LO was born I got told she wanted a Nintendo Wii for Xmas!

emzickle- I still get really down from day to day- its like a emotional rollercoaster this motherhood thing. You do need some time to yourself, I think its difficult for the daddy's to grasp the fact that it IS hard work and a 24/7 job.

Gingeme- at your night, its always the way- hope the GP went ok. Maybe tonight will be your undisturbed night?

Thanks pmoore. Been to doc he said ds3's chest is clear and his ears just his tonsils are flared a bit. Keep him in for a few days and not to worry if he doesnt want to eat just make sure he has plenty to drink. Ive just joined Slimming World too. Well Ive found the nearest one to me that is. I went before I got married about 5 years ago and thought it as bloody excelent I got right down to a size 14 whichI hadn't been in years. Going to start et Wednesday once ds3's better and back to chool cause its a morning clas. Well ood luck with yours pmoore.

Gingeme - how is your ds3 now - did you do a star chart? glad to hear ds4 has slept through - exactly the same happened to me when ds2 slept through, I was up and down to ds1... they know somehow don't they?!

DH and ds1 at home today with upset stomachs (ds1 has been to school, but childminder rang and I picked him up early).

I have been to buy new bras - non maternity ones - am going to chuck out nursing/mat bras tonight.... feels great to be in bras that fit - but am now a 38C - didn't buy expensive ones, as I hope to lose some weight.... we'll see!

I did mention a while ago, but how is everyone who can meet in London fixed for 14 March?? Was in the Childhood Museum yesterday and it made me think of it.

Emzickle - sorry to hear you are feeling so down, to repeat everyone else, it is worth speaking to your GP.

Mellin, lucky you getting to a yoga class. There is one in a new Children's Centre, that I might check out next week.

I went for some acupuncture last Friday as I feel very lethargic and just felt like I needed a boost - have another session next week and she is getting me some herbs to take. She is also a midwife so very knowledgeable re the whole birthing thing.

Guil;t guilt guilt. Yes I AWOLed from the 50 istups a day lcub. But I have managed to play badminton three weeks in a row, so am vv pleased with myself. First two weeks we had a good player with us, so lots of rallies and I really felt it in my arms and shoulders, this week we were all, how shall I put it? 'of the same standard', so lots of picking up the shuttlecock from the floor - and I really feel it in my bum and thighs. Very pleased to be aching a bit - proves I've actually worked out!

Emzickle, your feelings are so normal, please don't feel bad about feeling bad. PND can develop at any time in teh first months after giving birth, but feeling low doesn't necessarily mean you have it. It's really tough when your partner doesn't see just how much your lives have changed, particularly if he's still living essentially the same life, going to work, socialising with colleagues and friends etc, and is oblivious to the fact that your life is now utterly different.

Being at home with the LO(s) is often pretty unsatisfying, particularly if you had (or have waiting for you) a satisfying job pre-baby. Yet people don't recognise this, and the mum (or SAHD) can be made to feel quite bad for not glowing in all-embracing parenthood.

The best thing you can do is not to bottle it all in. Talk with your friends, talk with your other half as well. Try to schedule couple-time, as well as me-time. Aboslutely nothing wrong with palming the baby off on a willing relative or friend and going off on your own from time to time. If your feelings get overwhelming then do do go to the GP. And remember MN - not just this thread, but anything on MN you care to read or post.

Hello all

Emzickle sorry to hear how low you are feeling, it can feel quite lonely this motherhood mullarky compared to life beforehand, I can only reiterate what the others have said. Definitely talk to your dp, he may not realise the extent of your feelings, I had a grip to mine over the weekend and ended up with a massive bunch of flowers and lots of hugs, these men sometimes need reminding!

catgirl, put me down for 14th March, I've got it in the diary.

Megans second lot of jabs tomorrow, I'll get her weighed too, I have a feeling she's on the porky side. She has started waking in the night again for the boob, I had got used to my 7-8 hours of sleep.

For those still bf, do you feel like you don't have as much milk? I don't seem to fill up as much between feeds, any ideas for anyone?

These returning to work discussions fill me with dread, I'm not planning on returning until Aug, finances permitting but I just can't bear a stranger having more time with lo than me, I might go the part time route if I'm able, can't afford not to work alas!

Yes the star chart worked brill and touch wood(taps the comp desk) he hasnt done it since thank goodness. Hes aslee snorng on the sofa now with briht red cheeks under a mop of ginger har

Oh just read through my post. My spellng is terrible. Hope I get ome more sleep tonight

emzickle-sorry you are feeling so low. As others have said it is such a shock to the system having a baby. If nothing else you are nackered and if you are one of the first of your friends to have a baby, it can feel quite isolating. Hope you get to talk to someone soon.

Re breastfeeding and giving formula, I am going to leave one of those cartons when we actually go on a night out. I can't express very much-he always wants more when I do, so am just going to stick to formula.

In regards to going back to work and whether to use Nursery/childminder, it really depends on the quality of the child care. Originally my DD went to a nursery and we were happy with it, but when the management changed it went really downhill, with constant staff changes, so we moved to a child minder. We are much happier with the childminder, but that's just us.

I'd quite like to try for one more baby around Xmas time if I can persuade DH but we'll have to see.

evening everyone, thank you all for the advice.

Ive been feeling just as bad today. I started crying earlier at my mum's, as my sister (who has a baby same age as my DD) was round too, and she's still BF. I feel like im letting my DD down, and although I BF for 6 weeks, I feel really fustrated that I didnt perservier (sp?)

I found BF really hard, and I feel now, like I should have continued, but now cant obviously as have no milk... any one else in this situation, can I do any thing to get milk back?

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech im tired.

on a plus point, LO has found her feet and lays on floor holding them like they are the best things in the world looking very pleased with herself. She's also rolling over, which is very funny to watch. Hows everyone else LO's getting on, when will they sit up, she is trying to, she acts like she wants to escape her car seat some times by scrunching forward doing half type sit ups, least she'll have good ab muscles!

Emzickle - please don't beat yourself up for the breastfeeding - we are all different and you made the best choice for YOU and your dd at that time, hind sight is a wonderful thing, but doesn't do us any good. If you are like me, you only think that it would have been good to continue, now you are not in pain/so exhausted/tied to the sofa. I only breastfed my ds1 for about 3-4 weeks and he has thrived. Please try and enjoy your lo rather than thinking 'what if'... cliche, but it does pass so quickly and they change day by day.

Getting ds2 weighed today. He doesn't seem to have found his toes yet, but is trying (sort of!) to sit up.

Clon - will be good to see you again on the 14th - anyone else want to join us?

Time to watch Frasier before I head out!!

TotallyF - do your work full or part time? I emailed my boss last night to give my return date (June), and it will fast approach.

oops you mean 14th March- Childhood Museum. Need to see if I can get there easily as coming from Gravesend.

My first message never posted so my last statement doesn't make any sense. I hate technology!

LO has got her 3rd set of jabs today, mum said she would come but has gone out shopping- so must have forgotten. Looks like I'll be going it alone.

Samantha hasn't even attempted to roll yet. Must have a lazy one?! She does attempt to grab her toes though.
She has bright red cheeks this morning- I'm guessing that along with the grumps and grizzles that its teeth?

Gingeme- I go to SW on Wednesday evenings. We can compare notes! I lost 3 stone on SW before I got pregnant now I am just 2.5 stone off that goal again!

Catgirl,i work p-time,i go back on the 13th feb.
Had awful night last night,LO has cold and sounds like she is drowning when she tris to sleep,she slept from midnight to 5:30am but then woke up snorting and sicking up mucus.She is having a nap now though and seems to be breathing easier.Missed her jabs though,i just didnt want to risk it.
Im now at pre preg weight but as that is still a stone over what i should weigh its not much help.
Got LO christening on the 18th and neither my parents or DH parents or our brothers and their families can be bothered to come

Good afternoon all. ds3 much better today apart from a constant green stream from his nose.Yuk!. Hes going back to school tomm. Lo woke once last night at 4.30 drank his bottle in record time and went back to sleep till 8. Defo pmoore. Gonna make the most of my crisps an cheese this week. When I went before I got married I managed to get into a size 14 skirt and that swung round on me.So Ive got about 2 stone to lose.
Well Edwards awake from his nap and will be crying for his bottle soon.
Take care all xxx
Will find out what shift dh is on the 14th March but hopefuly will be able to come.

Gosh, well done to everyone losing weight.I've not even started to try yet. Pmoore you mentioned malteasers and I am now craving them!!
I had 2 fitness dvds for xmas and both still in cellophane wrapper - oh dear. I must make time to try them out at least.
LO had 2nd jabs yesterday. Was a bit grumpy after them so gave him calpol which he threw up! But other than that he's ok.

Emzickle (((hugs))) - at least you are sharing your probs not bottling it all up. Don't fret over the bfing thing, in the grand scheme of things it is no biggie. At least with the bottles your dp can help a little bit (if you twist his arm up his back hey).

Still not tried lo with formula, but when I express milk he seems to be very wingey during the next bfeed and I feel like I have 'stolen' his milk so, yes clon, I do feel like I'm not producing much milk. When this happend with dd the HV told me to eat more biscuits which seemed to help slightly but will not help with losing weight. Oh well, what a sacrifice. Anyway LO is crying must go feed bye

I've found my milk has diminished as well, but I think it's supply catching up with demand. Not managing to do much expressing, except after those rare nights when William doesn't wake too often.

A much better day today - spent most of it out and about, enjoying the sunshine. Took ages to get W off to bed again, but I have to remind myself that it's still better than a few nights ago. Hopefully he'll go back to sleeping for longer stretches again soon.

W is also grabbing his feet and trying to sit up - v funny as he either topples to one side or ends up squashing his nose on the carpet . He'll get there eventually. No sign of rolling, but I'm bad about giving him enough tummy time.

W enjoyed himself in Starbucks this afternoon - we were sitting near the counter and he grinned at all the people waiting for their coffee. He shows a marked preference for young and pretty women - starting early, obviously.

Yes, I'm up for the 14th (I think).

Catgirl: if you're still interested in the Rio screenings, they're showing A Prairie Home Companion next Tuesday. I had good reviews and isn't gloomy, so think I'll go. Did you mention something about baby massage in Hackney - can't find the link. Trying to find more stuff to go to so W doesn't get bored!

Off to baby yoga again tommorrow. Starts at 10:15 so I have drag myself out of bed and get dressed in time!

3rd lot of jabs all done. It is painfully horrible for us parents I think. 3 needles meant just as she started calming down from one needle the next one got her!
She doesn't seem anymore worse for wear though. Her smiley happy self. No more injections until she's one!!

Maltesers- yum, yum just as I'd forgotten about them, you reminded me again taffy. Maybe after slimming world tomorrow I'll treat myself.
DP commented tonight that I am getting my hips back!

Tummy time- I must give my LO more of that too. I am really worried that Samantha doesn't hold her neck/head up straight all of the time- is this ok? Gone to neurotic mummy mode again!

Evening All,

Emzi - please don't give yourself a hard time re bf. Just think how much more time you would have to sit and feed and you would be fretting about not producing enough milk and going out and all the other things you might have forgotten about. You are doing a FANTASTIC job of being a great Mum so give yourself a HUGE pat on the back.

Pmoore - OH NOOOO Now I am postively craving maltesers too, had to drag myself past the shop today whilst every cell was going 'come and buy me and eat me slowly letting all those little honeycomb bubbles dissolve slowly on my tongue and the chocolate coat my mouth enveloping me in sweet heaven'!!! Came home to a frozen curly wurly instead

Ginge - how are your Scots boys getting on? It was freezing here today so they might even have snow up yonder. Are they settling in to school okay?

HV came today and Amber is 15lb 12oz and 64cm long - 75th centile thingy for weight and 95th for height! She stares at her feet intently but has made no move to touch them - too busy ramming her fingers down her throat like some CPD bulimic! Keeps making herself puke! I think she tried to roll in the bath tonight which was quite worriesome. She is trying very hard to talk and has been since she was 8 weeks - currently making m's and oh's with her mouth, although she finds the h for hello hard to master. She is obviously going to be a chip off the old block and never shut up!

Hope everyone is well and all your LO's are laughing and giggling now - it sure does melt your heart. Tee hee

Should have been OCD!