March 2013 - we're gonna need a bigger wine rack

[Plonkysaurus]

Ta da!

Shattered I'm certainly not getting at you, not getting at Stormy either. I don't really think either of you were rude. I think it's always going to be difficult with hot topics and written communication. It's easy in RL to see the expressions, emotions and attitude in what someone is saying but hard to get any of that across on here. I think you were reasonable in defending your opinions and I actually don't think you were PA (but then I often don't understand what is if I'm totally honest) but you did pick Stormy out and that probably got her on the back foot. If it helps I agreed on most of your standpoints too! Stormy I think you're fab. You have the attitude and opinions I kind of wish I had but in all truth I'm just not that moral and strong and like an easy life! You've kept me amused, told me when I'm being a fool and impressed me with your vast knowledge of the English language for over a year now and I'm hoping to pop to yours for an after work cuppa at some point!

Shattered I think my point is don't be blue, we luffs you. We just don't want anyone to bugger off and abandon ship in a cloud of bad feeling. That's not what the Marchers are about. We're more about and cake.

Now fingers crossed I haven't gone and put my size 9's Plonky my husband says I'm a midget on stilts, normal body and freaky limbs in it once again.

Ah fuck, loads of cross posts. Should have kept mouth shut. Will learn one day. Hmmm.

Right, seeing as I can't extend an olive branch without 'getting at' someone, I'm decamping to Facebook for a bit.

Right, back to something I actually know about!

Stormy, the implant. They are licensed for 3 years (it's the mirena that's 5 years). They slowly release a continuous daily dose of a form of progesterone, this is highest in the first 6 months and after this slowly decreases. The studies (on about 2500 women I think but I'd have to look that up if you actually want me to be accurate) showed that the level stayed stable over 24-36 months and so it may be effective for longer but it hasn't been trialled on that. Some women in the trial had it in for 4 years and none of them became pregnant but it wasn't many and it's not recommended because theoretically it could increase the rate of ectopics. The 3 years is based on the monthly rate of decrease in hormone release in the first 24 months and in theory this would be too low to provide effective contraception after this point. It works by inhibiting ovulation in most cycles and increases the viscosity of the cervical mucous to prevent sperm getting through and make the uterus an inhospitable environment for implantation.

I'm so much better at talking about gynaecology than I am about the other stuff. Anyone got anything else vagina related I can talk about to bump my previous post onto another page where it can stay hidden?

God Plonky, don't you start! We certainly can't be without you and the wedding chat and the newly walking ToddlePlonk.

Let me tell you about prolapses......

The jump was fantastic, 45 seconds of freefall at 140mph, which was exhilarating, then the beautiful peace and quiet when the parachute goes up. Bloody uncomfortable though, and I didn't like it when he started doing twirly things - thought I might puke... And despite the weather, I jumped at a reasonable time and so we still managed to make it to the wedding 80 miles away in the afternoon. Where I proceeded to get silly teenage-style drunk and danced all night with old school friends :)

Cantturn it's so lovely to hear from you.

Right, you 'orrible lot. As someone who wasn't really sober here all weekend, I'm not sure anyone was being intentionally rude. BUT things were said that I would have been offended by if aimed at me, and that would have made me think twice about coming back here, which is my safe haven. shattered I don't think you meant it rudely, but I was a bit when you described stormy as wanting the last word. In my world that's not a very nice thing to say, even if you meant it nicer (because the nature of the written word sometimes means meaning gets lost). I then thought about it, and realised you probably meant that you weren't willing to get into a debate about it, and that stormy, who clearly enjoys a debate and spends time on the FWR board, may well want to, so you were signing out of any future debate. stormy I can totally understand why you were offended by that, but unfortunately in the world of mumsnet, calling someone passive aggressive is pretty much the worst insult anyone can come up with, even if you didn't mean it to be that bad. For some reason, on here, being accused of passive aggressiveness is worse than just plain old nasty outright aggressiveness. God knows why. So that would have upset me as well. But I think it's a given that we all respect all opinions here, as long as there is intelligent thought behind them unlike in other places on MN. And sometimes, those opinions are going to move towards heated, but it's always worth thinking how you would feel if someone said those things to you. I'd hate to lose a single person from here, you lot are as important to me as any friends in RL. I don't like it when people I love aren't very nice to each other, and it's nobodies fault, and I can understand why everyone said what they did, but plonky's right, let's be nice to each other without assigning blame.

And on that note, I'm off for a run. I want to see if PE teachers the world over are right when they say exercise is the best cure for fecking crippling period pains

Oh dear x post from me too. Scrap my last.

Betty, tell me about prolapses please?

Plonky, you'd make a rubbish flouncer, 'cos I know you're still secretly there watching... Don't decamp, if nothing else my phone would look far less colourful as you're the original poster and I have therefore dyed you green on my account...

Agh ladies this is bad, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone, please can we leave it? This is totally me being over sensitive and obviously seeing criticism where there isn't any. Yes gerry, you have my intention there, so if it came across differently then my fault. Plonk don't go anywhere! And betty your post was nice so thanks.

I'll bog off for a day or two and come back to (hopefully) talk about Murray or something neutral?!

Well we're really buggering this up aren't we!

Where the hell are Eco and Doli when you need them? They're always the voices of reason!!! We need you soon otherwise I'm going to have to start talking cystocoeles, rectocoeles and enterocoeles!

Erm...

DS had his hair cut yesterday and is unbelievably proud of himself for looking so gosh darn smart. And he made rice krispie cakes at the childminders so he's well on his way to winning junior Masterchef. If that is a thing.

Puppy has conjunctivitis and DP has finally stopped having a relationship with the toilet. He has just announced the arrival of a headache though bloody go back to work, you big complainer

I'm clutching desperately at straws to find something interesting to say, but that's about my lot. I have the coil betty so it's good to finally know what it actually does. I'll try and think of any more vagina related queries and get back to you

Also Betty my copper coil is a 5 year one but I was offered a 10 year one. How does that work if they're only effective for 3?

Thank you Betty! I shall pass along the information when next I see my friend.

Is it my turn to do the let's all be nice rant? The thing I like about here is that we're all aware of how easy it is to inadvertently offend people online, and we all take care to phrase things nicely, with extra effort to make sure our words can't be taken nastily. When someone slips and says something that can be taken badly, it feels especially horrible because it's unexpected here. So let's just all play nice. Whose turn is it to rant next?

Hey guys, I'm back, and with a rubbish reason for not being around so much of late. In short, naps. I am that desperate for the toddle to actually nap, and properly at that not just a pathetic 20 min nod to the idea I have taken to turning the phone, and hence the internet off in advance. Phones and doorbells - pet hates of mine.

I don't have a rant I'm afraid, but can I just wade in to say debate isn't always a bad thing. Diversity in outlook is interesting, and at times educational, but it's probably best if we all remember that none of it is meant harshly. Internet, email, text, anything written in fact.... dangerous stuff. Especially when you consider most of us are trying to do 15 other things at the same time so probably aren't putting a great deal of thought into the semantics.

Face to face, none of this would have happened

.... and that's my window of opportunity up. Madam's bored... and vocal about it

something it's only implanon that are effective for 3yrs. Mirena's are for 5yrs and copper coils are for 5/7/8/10 depending on brand/shape/size/copper content. Coppers work slightly differently to hormone based coils as they don't have any impact on ovulation (and therefore are slightly less effective) but make the uterus a hostile environment for sperm to penetrate.

Oh yeah! Just read it back. Stormy asked about the implant. Doh!

You're right Gerry, I'm shit at flouncing. But like everyone, this is my haven too.

My life is filled with stress and decisions right now, I don't want to have to get grumpy here as well.

Gosh you all talk a lot. I am playing catchy up.

betty you are soooo knowledgeable. You know after my moaning about the coil I think my body is finally ok with it. It has taken a year though.

something how was ds during the hair cut? We had screaming and hitting?

plonky you are the colour green on the thread so you can't go.

Not much excitement here other than buying some cute summer clothes. Who said boys don't have nice clothes. Also ds now crosses his arms. He is a little copycat.

My uterus is a hostile environment for sperm to penetrate Never thought about it in those terms! Poor sperm.

Hello everyone. And a big hello to canturn. I loved hearing from you. Sounds super tough your end. And like you are coping with such a lot, so well. I'm thinking of you often and willing your dear s well with the rest of his treatment. I think you're overseas so hope you've organised lots of support for the whole family. Go well.

(not sure if that's in a normal person's vocabulary? I think it's a south Africanism).

Plonky love you're in your wedding month now. I can see how you have lots of decisions and lots of stress. Organising a wedding with a baby. . Betty and I are always on speed dial for wedding related dilemmas and decisions. Keep going. Not far off now. And remember you've sent invites so you'll have people. You have a great dress so you'll look plonksome. And you have beer. The end if necessary. All else is cherry on top stuff. And we all know how overrated cherries are.

Something you poor love. Having a whining oh around and a yellow eyed puppy and a smart looking ds must be a bit trying. You working tomorrow? Sounds like that'll be a nice break if so.

So my Mil left today after nearly six days of respite care. Today was longest by far, by about seven hours, that Ecotod has been left with someone who isn't mum or dad. She was totally fine. Obvs. And my Mil put the washing out, ironed it all, cooked dinner for me to come home to, went to park, did naps, went to library and generally did what I do when I'm at home. How lovely to have it all done and a happy, fed baby to come home to after work. I could get used to this. Am very grateful. Am having my first leisurely bath for a while and have a dinner, bit of yurt work, sofa, movie kind of night planned. The calm after a long feeling storm! Until tomorrow when I must start packing....although I have potential tenants viewing house so I may return tomorrow with excuses about why I haven't done any

Teaching in the blue skied woods today was a treat. My job is awesome when it's awesome if that makes sense. I think that's probably the case with most jobs. Shit bits, great bits.

Gerry your dive sounds totally amazing as an experience. I wouldn't like the pukey bit though so I've now ticked off skydive as vicariously done

Doli, so sounds like you need a mil respite plan in place to (sans camera) (sounded like knob there sorry). Do you have a chunk of toddle free time on your horizon to get your own head down for a while. I always like to remember what the midwife said to me: when your dp comes back from the gym you've already burned more calories than him just sitting on the sofa growing a baby. And we know you're not sat on the sofa. So we need to encourage you to rest a bit more. Can you?

How do you get a bloody bike emoticon??? I want one Betty!

Another lurker here, just wanting to say *Cantturn' I have been wondering about your ds for some time and have been looking out for you. Hope everything goes as well as it can and he's back bouncing as soon as possible.

FFS bolded wrong cantturn

doli just a thought i am sure you already thought of it before but can you send dd to nursery for a couple of extra days so you can get time to rest?

Hellloooo

I've played catch up on here because the little one refused to sleep any last week (tooth number 8) so I spent all free time in a horizontal position. Glad the storm (no pun intended) has blown over and it's awfully sunny now. And warm

cantturn Lovely to hear from you and glad DS is doing well. I wouldn't worry that he's taking his time getting moving - it's easier when they can't run away from you and pretend they can't hear you.

Gerry Excellent skydivingness. Did it myself, at Headcorn, about 14 years ago (dear god, I was a lot thinner and stupid younger then) and it was exhilirating. So be tremendously proud of yourself and make sure you slip it in to conversations just to remind people how cool you are

yummy we have arm folding and also a lick of the thumb when I get a nappy bag out, which I obvs do to get the bag open. Very cute. Oh and thigh slapping when she can't find something. All of which have been taught unconciously. I must think of something I want her to copy - like pushing thr hoover round, or getting the wine from the fridge...

Hi Ood! Stop lurking, come back!

Right. I need a serious talking to here, because I think I've done something rather silly. You know a few weeks ago I said I felt a bit weird down below after running? And you (especially Betty) told me to stop running? Well. I ignored you. I know it was stupid, please don't tell me how stupid. I'm now stopping til I've had proper medical attention. Because I think my pelvis floor is now non existent. In fact Betty, you know what you wanted to talk about earlier? You might need to now. I had spotting basically from last period to this one. I feel bunged up, but just in a funny 'I can't push' kinda way. I'm not convinced I have full control of my bladder. Taking a tampon out feels like I'm pulling everything else out with it. In fact it feels like a bit might have come out with it. Prolapse? How bad is this? I plan to get to the drs on Friday or next week, but to be honest I'm completely bricking it that I've done some serious long term damage. Please talk me down from my position of slight panic. I promise I'm not doing anymore exercise til I've had it checked out.

Egads, Gerry, that sounds alarming. Get thee to a doctor! And congratulations on the jump!