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November 2012 - Spring is here, time to get our babies out and about.

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StuntNun · 12/03/2014 09:16

Apart from the 'down under' contingent anyway!

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ChasingDaisy · 18/03/2014 14:34

O constantly stands up in his high chair too. Or perches on the arm of it Hmm Time to dust off the booster seat I reckon.

PetiteRaleuse · 18/03/2014 14:59

We moved to booster seat this week. LO is so proud of sitting up at big table with us. She often eats at the little table with DD1 but popping her on her booster seat for the first time brought some memorable smiles.

DH is off this afternoon and is setting up the toy kitchen. From the amount of swearing I can hear it is proving to be as challenging as any other flat pack furniture :o

ValiumQueen · 18/03/2014 15:59

Doctor says infected eczema. I said I did not think so. Doctor then said it might be HFAM. On antibiotics. Not convinced.

Sophiathesnowfairy · 18/03/2014 16:00

DR is grasping at straws me thinks.

ValiumQueen · 18/03/2014 16:05

Doctor hasn't got a fucking clue Hmm

ValiumQueen · 18/03/2014 16:08

There is another kid at nursery with an unidentified rash. They are going with chicken pox as it is going around. They may well be disappointed in two weeks when the pox hits. It could be his pre pox warning event. Hope not as it would not bode well for the pox. Poor little sod.

StuntNun · 18/03/2014 16:16

I would like to put everything down in one place as I'm trying to get my head round J's sleep problems ahead of seeing the GP next week. Please feel free to ignore unless you have a particular interest!

DS1 suffered from three-month colic and was a poor sleeper. DS2 suffered from lactose overload and was a terrible sleeper (didn't reliably sleep through until five or six years old). Both of them now love milk!

J was a poor sleeper from the start. He breastfed frequently and for long periods, was sick up to ten times a day and showed signs of distress such as flatulence and evidence of pain when lying flat. (At 16 months old J has had way more Calpol than DS1 and DS2 put together, i.e. 18 years between them.)

At six months J was diagnosed with silent reflux and started on Gaviscon which immediately sorted the vomiting and ranitidine which never seemed to do that much for him. At seven months J had egg for the first time and immediately reacted, the only time he has had egg since (one egg challenge of a crumb of cake) he screamed for hours about five hours afterwards.

At eight months the penny dropped that J was reacting to the egg in my diet and I cut out egg as well. Due to quite a few screw ups I was able to confirm without a shadow of a doubt that J reacted when I ate egg. Sleep problems and reflux symptoms improved over time after I cut out egg and I was able to stop the Gaviscon and ranitidine. Sleep was never that great apart from a period in January/February when J slept through on around seven nights in total.

Preparatory to stopping breastfeeding I introduced a bottle of cows milk at bedtime. J's sleep went back to 'normal' i.e. a few wake ups a night.

About four weeks ago J had a vomiting bug and was sick on three days over a period of five days. Everyone else in the family had the same thing and was only ill for one to two days. Since then J's nappies have gone from completely liquid to diarrhoea but have not been solid since (they were before he was ill). His sleep went from bad to worse with wakenings 6-15 times a night and inconsolable screaming in the wee hours that required Calpol for him to settle.

In the past week I have switched J from cows milk to toddler formula. His sleep improved over a period of about five days and we have had a couple of sleep throughs again.

I'm thinking CMPI but I have a few questions:

  • Is the CMPI secondary to his illness last month and continued diarrhoea and therefore may clear up over time?
  • Why is formula better than cows milk when they both contain the same protein?
  • J has been eating yoghurt, cheese and butter since six months old with no obvious symptoms although I realise food intolerances are extremely difficult to pinpoint without a food diary. Should I cut all dairy product from his diet?
  • Could J be reacting to cows milk protein in my breastmilk? And therefore should I stop breastfeeding? I have no problem doing this I would love to eat eggs again but then what would he have instead of bm?
  • Is toddler formula the best milk for him or is there something else I should try such as coconut milk or Neocate?

If anyone has any thoughts then I would really appreciate them. I think J is suffering unnecessarily, I know his mood is a lot better when he isn't awake screaming in the night funny that. But also he's less clingy during the day after a good night which makes me think he's generally not feeling great all the time. Hopefully the GP will refer J to the paediatrician but if there's anything I can do in the meanwhile then it would be good to get a head start.

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ChasingDaisy · 18/03/2014 16:31

Gah, O is being so wonderful today. Cute and funny and loving. I am getting very emotional at the thought of leaving him. Wondering whether I'm doing the right thing. If I tightened my belt and really watched the pennies, I could survive on Income Support... I haven't even got proper childcare sorted yet either.

ValiumQueen · 18/03/2014 16:33

Stunt I have long thought CMPI. Formula is processed so is easier for them to digest. His illness made his gut more vulnerable hence the diarrhoea continuing. How is his skin?

As he copes with cheese and yoghurt it is likely to be fairly mild, and improve with time. I would think your bf is ok for him as your body processes it. You would have seen a clearer pattern by now.

Avoid cows milk and go easy on dairy products in general. Perhaps give Koko milk? How is he with soya?

Anyway YW will be along soon to say it better than me.

ValiumQueen · 18/03/2014 16:35

Chasing all will be well. I think it is important for your mental health to be working. You are a smart cookie ad deserve to do well in your career in time. This is the first step back on the ladder. I will be fine too, but do prioritise finding good childcare. He will thrive and you will both be glad you made this decision.

ValiumQueen · 18/03/2014 16:36

O will be fine. Not I. Fucking spell check!

ChasingDaisy · 18/03/2014 16:56

Thanks VQ. You are right, of course. My dad will be having him until I find the right childminder/nursery so I will make sure I find the right one.

Sophiathesnowfairy · 18/03/2014 17:01

stunt Oatly? I think he had got an extent of an intolerance though it is hard to pinpoint. If you think stopping breastfeeding might work and you feel you want to do that then it would cut out the confusion of what have you eaten and why has he eaten, I suppose though coming from an ignorant position as I have never breastfed that once you stop that is it, you can' trust go back.

chasing I agree with vq I think going to work for you is more than the money it is getting back into a life flow meeting with people And developing new friendships. I think you have probably seen here, all mums have a wobble when it is time to go back to work, it is the most natural thing in the world, and this is a completely fresh start for you. You know we will be here to hold your hand through it. Thanks

YellowWellies · 18/03/2014 17:24

Stunt if it's mild CMPI he will only react to the unadulterated proteins in milk - once processed by your stomach or into formula or cheese etc then the milk proteins are smaller and less irritating to the gut. I wonder if he's got temporary lactose intolerance as a result of a tummy upset wiping out his gut flora? Only the most sensitive CMPI babies can detect it in BM and processed foods. If you're going to wean - join me for a pig out on the 26th? His sleep has certainly sounded like that of a CMPI munchkin Sad

VQ in Kirkwall, Stromness and Finstown (if you're sheltered from the north and west and not right next to the sea) you can indeed garden. But my pal - a trained horticulturalist from Edinburgh botanics gave up after a few years as she just couldn't bear watching everything bar Hebe, Rosa rugosa, arum lillies and willow slowly dying.

GTbaby · 18/03/2014 17:29

Chasing it will do you both good to work. Don't be nervous. You will do great. And o will still be lovely and gorgeous and cute when you pick him up.

PetiteRaleuse · 18/03/2014 18:12

You might have a point there yw DD1's poo went v pale and runny after a tummy bug once and the paed told me to cut back on milk and give her yoghurt and cheese instead, and prescribed a bacteria rebuilding thing to improve her gut.

Sophiathesnowfairy · 18/03/2014 18:38

My organise moccasins arrived today and they are so lovely, the leather is scrummy and I don't think they look pensionerish, I think they are cool. I can. I can' twain to wear them Grin

Sophiathesnowfairy · 18/03/2014 18:38

Sigh.

Sophiathesnowfairy · 18/03/2014 18:38

You know what I mean

PetiteRaleuse · 18/03/2014 18:50

Do you use Siri to post soph ? :o

ValiumQueen · 18/03/2014 18:54

Ha ha Grin

Zamboni · 18/03/2014 19:11

Chasing totally agree with the others.

VQ oh no, rubbish that the dr was inconclusive.

GT - still enjoying life without PIL?!

BP- hope things with DH's job arent too worrying.

Fatima how are you feeling now?

Stunt - good plan to get thoughts coherent and as ever I bow down to YW thorough knowledge and imagine she is spot on.

I had a reasonably productive day, a chuckle with some friends, a cuddle with DH, a good cry on my DM and cuddles with my gorgeous DC who have gone to bed delightfully. I am in a much better mood. Thanks quiche for letting me vent and for positive comments.

PetiteRaleuse · 18/03/2014 19:21

All good birthdays end with a pukeathon right? I have LO with a fever and DD1, stuffed to the gills, puking. I don't want more illness.

The cakes went down well at nursery. The nursery nurses asked me for the recipe Blush I confessed they were a packet mix and told them where they could find them.

I am v worried about my cat. Not eaten for two days, refusing to come inside, sleeping on the terrace in a kind of nest that he has built for himself. Very out of character. Will take him to the vet if he is ill enough to be caught. He's very wild though so being able to take him to the vet would be worrying in itself.

PetiteRaleuse · 18/03/2014 19:42

Just as I typed thathe stalked in and demanded food so he can't be too ill

YellowWellies · 18/03/2014 20:02

VQ pop our old island postcode (KW16 3EY) into Google street view if you want to see why gardening was limited where we were. We had oystercatchers, hen harriers, lapwings and little owls regularly in the garden and otters just across the lane at the Brig o' Waithe though so it wasn't all bad! We were slightly sheltered from the worst Atlantic winds by Brinkies Brae and Stromness too. My pal was further along this road and her poly tunnel travelled half a mile in one storm!