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March 2013 - time to wrap them all up in tinsel

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StormyBrid · 04/12/2013 11:21

Old thread here.

worse we're like Plonky on the timings - we keep mealtimes and milktimes separate. I spotted something in Evil Baby Whisperer that suggested around this age milk should be at the time you'd give a snack. Thinking about it, that's pretty much what we do - milk at the crack of dawn, 11am, 3pm and bedtime, food at 9am, 1pm and 5pm. It seems to work, and Fartypants is definitely in the process of reducing milk herself. Those middle two feeds, she's having about four ounces now.

How is the worselet on mush? Does she show any preferences? If we were sticking with baby led weaning we'd be getting absolutely nowhere. Savoury mushes, she'll try a mouthful then get distracted by the cat. Fruit mushes, she practically inhales. For a reduced stress option, can I suggest getting yourself to Asda? They've a hell of a range of cheap fruity mushes, and then at least you're not having to throw away purees you've spent hours lovingly creating.

Incidentally, six month old Molly may love her porridge, but all that means is that Molly's a total weirdo - porridge is vile. It's weetabix all the way round here, with mashed banana in.

eco hang in there, it does get better. How long until 37 weeks for you?

I am thanking my heathen gods we don't have crawling yet. Nappy changes with rolling are bad enough. Especially when it's a particularly horrific one.

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Plonkysaurus · 09/12/2013 08:55

Stormy I love him very much. I want to marry him but only if we're good.

Before he left he said I say and do some really horrible things. See, I wasn't just calling myself names before. I must be really awful.

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WingDefence · 09/12/2013 09:04

Just caught up. Plonky I don't know what to say except finding done time out of the house together, even for an hour, may help to clear your minds?
Sorry, possibly crap advice. Can the PILs babysit for an hour so you can talk at the pub or something?

Re: food battles, can't help there either I'm afraid (not doing well today!) as DD eats tons and everything going. We basically feed her what we're having - which is probably why she's jumped from her pre-weaning line just above the 50th centile to between 75th and 91st Confused

Back down to London on the train at the moment. It's been once a week since I went back and it's knackering me. I have so much to do work and home-wise (don't mention Christmas and DS's 5th birthday on the 30th). I need some time off without the DCs to catch up!

Unmumsnetty hugs to those who are having work issues. IME it's far worse when your boss doesn't have children or they're v grown up :(

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worsestershiresauce · 09/12/2013 09:10

Ok Plonk deep breath, you'll get through this.

Looking in from the outside what I see is a couple who are facing many life changes all at once at a time when they are both tired and stressed. You have a young baby, are planning a wedding, saving for a house, and changing your job. On top of that you are sleep deprived and really quite unwell. It's little wonder your relationship is being stretched at the seams. Anyone's would be. Totally normal. Any big life change puts a strain on things at homes and you've got several going on all at once.

So you've done the hard part and written that letter. Now do the easy part, write a letter of all the things you love about him, and all your happiest memories together. Remember the old cliche 'you don't know what you got until its gone', well it may be a cliche but it's true. If you guys broke up what would you miss? If you can't think of anything, well that in itself would be fairly telling.

Once you've done all that, with any luck you will be feeling a little more centred and better able to talk. When are partners piss us off it can be all to easy to fixate on the little things at the expense of the big. No one is perfect, all of us have less than desirable habits, and the secret to living together is accepting that. That's not to say you have to put up with being unhappy, you don't, but don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things Grin.

Finally, talk. Tell him what the problem is but try not to do it in an accusatory way, or turn it into a long list of all his faults. Think of an appraisal at work. If a manager gives you one area to work on you'd feel a little prickly but probably work on it. If they went through 3 pages of areas to improve on you'd probably stop listening, go and cry in the loo and hand in your notice. Well I would. Your DP is no different to any one else.

The one thing I've learnt the hard way, always give your partner a hug when they get in, say sorry when you know you have been a little in the wrong, tell them you love them, and thank them for doing things. It sounds a little Stepford, but actually it's just kindness, and kindness breeds kindness. I lived most of my marriage in a bitter simmering pool of resentment. Now we are both kind to each other. It is a much better atmosphere.

Good luck, I hope you guys talk it out. I don't doubt you will, but that said never settle. If you are really unhappy never settle. 40 odd years is a long time to be miserable.

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BettyOff · 09/12/2013 09:36

Wors does it again! Where the hell do you get all this wisdom? I want some!

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worsestershiresauce · 09/12/2013 09:44

Betty sadly experience. DH and I did it all wrong and very nearly threw everything away. I learnt a lot the hard way.

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somethingbeginningwith · 09/12/2013 10:06

Well I think worse has nailed it with the advice. But I can offer taking DS for you if you want some time together to talk, or I can offer myself and DS if you want to get cake. Remember how well cake helps? But, definitely heed Worse's advice. It sounds pretty spot on to me. I hope you're getting yourself sorted at the docs this morning.

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Plonkysaurus · 09/12/2013 10:10

Thanks Worse.

Have tried to consider our happiest times together. Aside from DS I've systematically ruined each and every one by being a negative bitch.

If he left me (and he'd be right to) my life would fall apart. Bottom line is that he's far too good for me.

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Plonkysaurus · 09/12/2013 10:11

Sadly no Something, I can't stop crying. Picking up the phone to book the appointment is impossible. I will let you know if we need a sitter anytime soon though, thank you x

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BettyOff · 09/12/2013 11:00

Do you want one of us to ring up & book the appt for you?

It's ridiculous thinking that you're not good enough Plonk, we're all guilty of being horrible cows to our OHs on a fairly regular basis. It comes from being the person we're closest to so let our guards down around in good and bad ways. Plus, they're hardly perfect either!

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worsestershiresauce · 09/12/2013 11:58

Plonky you stand out on here as someone with a kind heart and a great sense of humour, and your DP is with you for whole load of other reasons as well. He loves you, he had a child with you, and he wants to marry you. Don't for one minute think he is too good for you, that is rubbish. Do you remember the day you had ds? I can imagine you do. Well your DP watched you go through one of the most painful, frightening but amazing experiences to have his child. If he is anything like my DH he is probably a little in awe of your strength.

Have good cry and let it all out, then maybe phone a friend. My friends got me through some pretty tough times, and I'm not even particularly sociable.

And you have us. I'm sure between us we could cobble together some good poo stories and make you laugh Grin.

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Plonkysaurus · 09/12/2013 12:09

Oh bless you two. Betty thanks for the offer. Worse thank you for giving me some perspective. I had a massive cry, did a lot of thinking and have been speaking to a friend.

Not ideal I know but we've been texting a lot about this. And we're kind of on the same page, so hopefully face to face we'll agree enough to work on things. We've just fallen into one enormous rut and I've barely kept my head above water. Thank goodness is having a mega nap.

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BettyOff · 09/12/2013 12:09

Ooh yes, I've got a John Lewis poo story from yesterday how very middle class

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Plonkysaurus · 09/12/2013 12:12

Spill, Betty

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yummychocolate · 09/12/2013 12:37

plonky i hope things between you and dp get better soon. As usual worse is amazing with her advice. Having a baby and planning for a wedding is stressful as it is without illness, sleep deprivation and busy schedules thrown into the mix. Try to find time for just you and dp. Its hard to remember to think what we did as a couple pre dc. Even the simple things are forgotten about like sitting in front passenger seat next to dh while he drives instead of being at the back with ds.

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StormyBrid · 09/12/2013 14:58

Texting's better than nothing, Plonky - it's communication, after all. That's the thing with talking being crucial to keeping a relationship going. It only works if you're both willing and able to talk.

Are we doing poo stories? I'll start, although I'm going to leave most of it to your imagination, and just say that the man learnt a very important lesson this morning: never change a shitty nappy while wearing a tie.

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worsestershiresauce · 09/12/2013 16:46

Stormy's right Plonky. Nothing wrong with text. I use email a lot myself, being far more articulate on the page than face to face, especially when emotions are involved. Hope you've had a good day despite everything and are feeling more on top of things.

Poo stories, well mine dates back to week 2, when neither DH nor I had a clue what we were doing. Not that we have now... but I digress. Anyway, he was at the action end, I was by the side, dd let rip and fired a high velocity stream of poo straight at DH. He leapt aside, not quite fast enough to escape a direct hit, but in time to allow the residual to spray a 6ft range across the room. Then the door bell rang, and the midwife appeared to do the our 10 day check.

Her precise words were;

'So, how are you guys doing?...... Oh.......'

Grin

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Plonkysaurus · 09/12/2013 16:49

Yes yummy I think I've just piled more stress on to keep me going in a way, I use to thrive on stress. Can't say I've ever sat in the back with DS though Blush extra bad mummy points.

Stormy texts are like letters I suppose. It's harder than talking, but at least you can say what you want without distraction or interruption. Some of what I said seems to have landed with him at least.

So it's just a virus. And pnd.

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ecofreckle · 09/12/2013 19:07

bathtime chaos here but lots of warmth, shoulders to cry on, big ears to listen, hugs, nice mugs of tea and wagon wheels out to dear Plonky. Sorry you are feeling rubbish. Hoping this is DP's time to shine. Your baby boy looks so gosh darn cute on facebook today; despite feeling like utter poo you are clearly doing one hell of a mummy job on him xx

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pudtat · 09/12/2013 19:09

When you're very emotional writing can be helpful cos it stops the communication being interrupted by the sobbing and in my case snotBlush

Sorry you're having a rubbish time at the mo plonky, but don't be afraid to ask for help (baby sitting etc) and be gentle with yourself. We're none of us perfect and all could do better in some areas I'm sure but you are witty and cheerful and spirited on here in a way which is a joy to read. I'm sure these are things your dp loves, even if they've got buried in the nappy bucket by life at the moment. Hang in there, have the first conversation, and don't put yourself down too hard. Brew

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worsestershiresauce · 09/12/2013 19:51

Plonky so glad you made it to the doctor. It helps to have a reason for feeling low, and we're all here any time you want to off load CakeBrew

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worsestershiresauce · 10/12/2013 08:11

Betty our babies have been swapping tips. Awake 11pm until 4am, on the back of weeks of night wakings. I'm floating on that cloud that carried me through weeks 1 - 10. Sighhhh

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Plonkysaurus · 10/12/2013 08:22

Ouch Worse that's tough. I take it she's up again now and delighting you with some witty conversation?

Just wanted to say thank you to all of you for your love and support yesterday. It means a hell of a lot to me. Now that a gp has agreed the way I'm feeling isn't totally normal, dp actually appreciates that I'm down (apologies for disgusting syntax), not just trying to be a cow. We were a bit kinder to each other last night and actually talked without shouting, even though I know some things were hard for each of us to hear.

If I ever meet you lot I think I'll have to make the biggest, most deliciousest cake.

Ooh that reminds me, I've lost ten lbs in a month. So just a stone to go now!

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StormyBrid · 10/12/2013 08:55

Looking forward to that cake, Plonky. Smile. Hope you're feeling a bit better today.

worse I don't know how you cope. Five hours awake in the middle of the night sounds hellish.

Strange night here. DD was grumpy and sleep resistant yesterday so she went to bed at quarter past six. No crying, but every half hour we'd hear a little whimper. At ten the man took her some milk and calpol, and said she's a bit snotty. Haven't heard a peep out of her since. Scared to go and check on her just in case something dreadful's happened.

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BettyOff · 10/12/2013 08:58

Plonky, we were in John Lewis kiddies department with the rest of the middle classes doing our Christmas shopping and DD was whining so I took her out of the pram and was carrying her around. Loads of people were smiling at us and I was feeling smug about my mega cute baby when a guy tapped me on the shoulder to tell me a massive runny poo had escaped the back of her nappy and was running down her trouser legs and my jeans. How I didn't smell it I'll never know! We had to run her under the tap in the sink there as wipes just weren't going to cut it!!!

Glad you made it to the GP, now you can start getting better. I don't know if you've any history of depression but if not the first diagnosis can feel like you've failed in some way or caused this. You haven't. It's just like any other medical condition and just like high blood pressure, diabetes or a broken leg it needs proper treatment to heal, you can't just think yourself out of it just as you can't think yourself into it. I was depressed a few years ago and I really struggled getting my head around that but once I did and stopped thinking about all the prejudices around it, I got better much quicker. I hope the GP was useful!

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Plonkysaurus · 10/12/2013 10:46

Oh no. Poo everywhere! Thank goodness that man told you Betty, I hope he was the first person to spot it and you hadn't been wandering around like that for long.

Stormy how's dd now? Tis the season for nasty colds. For future reference, what's your cake of choice? I tend towards a lemon drizzle myself.

Thanks for sharing, Betty. The gp was very good (and reasonably good looking, damn). He has offered a prescription, which I've turned down for now, and cognitive behaviour therapy, and given me details of where I can go online for free cbt. I'm seeing him on Friday once I've considered the options.

How are you feeling Worse?

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