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PerilousStiletto · 07/08/2013 12:46

I liked this one. :)

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QueenofClean · 03/09/2013 20:46

Evening all.

Those who are buying/selling houses hope it's going smoothly.

Oi..how are things with you & DH?

Mopsy hope things are going well at work? You'll get used to the drive in no time. Smile

Figgy, hope your DH gets the diagnosis & support he needs to move forward. Sorry about your poor skunk.

Well things have been stressful at home with Darcie :( it's the end of the hols and she needs to go back to school for structure...roll on 8:45am. Filling out her claim for DLA is bringing it all to heart about how much we struggle for her to be happy and not struggle and have to many meltdowns in one day. I know sometimes she can't help it but it is very stressful & tiring.

Sky for past 2 nights has slept thru the night with no wakings.

Also question ladies how do you get an almost 2yr old off a bottle at bedtime for settling to bed? The only reason is she's more clued up to things now..with Darcie she was off a bottle by 12 months. Sky is a different kettle of fish and know she will be harder.

QueenofClean · 03/09/2013 20:49

Also scheduled an appt with my GP at end of month for referral for sterilisation/hysterectomy...no more babies for us...2 is enough I don't think I could cope with another one mentally as well as physically...especially as Darcie's tantrums are getting harder to deal with.

mopsytop · 03/09/2013 21:50

Sorry to hear about tough times with Darcie, Queen. Hopefully the routine of school will help.

I weaned minim at 15 months from bedtime bottle by offering milk in a cup and just enduring two weeks of tantrums. Initially she screeched for about an hour, then realised no bottle was forthcoming, gave in and took cup. Then it reduced to 45 minutes of tantrum. Then it became alternate nights, where one night she'd take the cup no bother, the next night she'd have a screeching fit. After two weeks she just forgot bottle and we had no more issues.

She was a lot smaller though. We recently ditched soother and did so by throwing it into the bin in her presence and saying 'bye bye soother', 'soother all gone'. So she understood that it was gone. She had an absolute meltdown for about an hour and kept opening the bin and crying, then at bedtime she screeched for two hours. Like proper screeching ... very stressful. The next morning she kept opening bin and crying. That night at bedtime she cried for maybe twenty minutes. That was it! So maybe you CD try throwing the bottle in the bin? If she understands throwing stuff away it should work. But she will kick off. But it is worth a try. I couldn't believe how easy it was ditching the soother. I thought it would take one to two weeks minimum. That's only my experience though. I'm sure the other ladies on here will have more advice!

Aethelfleda · 03/09/2013 23:36

DS started playing with his bottle teat rather than drinking it straight, so I got some lidded cups with straws from Wilkinsons's summer patio range, and gave DS drinks in those in the day with milk in, got him used to the straw, and then one evening gave him the cup instead of the bottle but cuddled him the same as normal on the sofa while he drank it. The bottles just vanished. He didn't seem to mind as long as the white stuff kept coming...

BJR · 04/09/2013 06:45

DS also still has bedtime milk in a bottle too Queen. He will drink everything bar milk from anything and will drink a few mouth fulls of milk from a normal mug, I think if I persevered he would give up the bottle. I think its the nutramigan that's made me not push it though, I feel like he needs the milk to make up for other foods he can't have. I probably need to stop worrying and just do it!

GaryBuseysTeeth · 04/09/2013 07:31

Queenie, sorry to hear things witth dd1 are bad atm. Hope things are easier from today. Good luck with the dla form, it's a bastard to fill in!
How are you feeling about sterilisation? If I remember corrrctly you were ttc#3 for a little while and then wanted to resume ttc next year?
No idea about bedtime bottle but hope it goes smoothly.

Figgy, so sorry to hear about skunk. Hope the ball starts rolling for Mr.Fig asap.

Hatley make some gorgeous things, go go for it! The good thing about having a younger ds also is Ican justify expensive kids stuff to myself!

mopsy, the bin idea sounds great for soother dumping!

Sening good house vibes to those who are buying & selling.

StilettOi, long may the not mudering dh continue! Hope all is getting better between you.

Annoyingly Ds1 has started waking at 5 instead of 7, but we'll forgive him, he's realised ds2 is here to stay!

LadyGoodman · 04/09/2013 13:06

QOC i have found that DS would throw epic wobblies over his milk it was made quite clear milk should only be in a bottle so when i tried it again with a sippy cup about 3 weeks ago i didnt have much hope so when he just picked it up and drank it i was shocked. Have you tried to just leave it on side and see what she does? Of course for the last 2 weeks he has refused milk altogether so looks like we are done with bottles and milk now......makes me feel very sad as he isnt a baby anymore. Also since dropping the milk and after his non eating last week he has lost his tummy and looks like a little man. Big decision there about stopping at 2 Dc's too, i thought you wanted another at some point?

Skunk is going to vet next week if still no better and DS now has a consultant appointment in December to discuss his arthritis, Dr done further blood tests last night but still thinking it is SLE Lupus.

My mum arrives tonight so home early after my 12 hour day in London yesterday, make bed, tidy then get to airport to collect her, have to leave her with DS and DH tomorrow to visit the PILs whilst i go to minehead and taunton for meetings (How come Peril gets Copenhagen and i get minehead??). DS will be asleep when she gets here so it will be lovely to see his face when he sees her in the morning......assuming i havent gone by then he has been sleeping to between 7.30 and 8.30 this week.

Xiaoxiong · 04/09/2013 17:41

We tried to ditch the bottle a few months ago - it was not a success, DS didn't scream about it but he also didn't drink almost any milk at all and then woke up crying for it around 2am so we went back to bottles. We really need to try again, these ideas are great.

He has started patting my breast while breastfeeding and then unlatching, saying "just like a bottle!" in a satisfied tone, and the latching on again...don't know what that's all about!!

Aethelfleda · 04/09/2013 17:56

xiao...... don't worry when DS tells you your b-milk is just like a bottle. Worry when he tells you it's "reminiscent of a fine Bordeaux. Chateau St Emillion '67, perhaps?"....

Last day of the holidays, and I pulled up our finished Mange Tout plants today. Autumn is a-coming in!

QueenofClean · 04/09/2013 19:31

Thanks for the removing the bottle tips - I will def be giving these a go...only reason she is still on one is because of her Nutramigen.

Re sterilisation, we did try for no3 mainly because DH wanted another one..but over the last few months my health has not been great and my joints are really playing up, Also because Darcie is quite tempremental at the moment I honestly don't think I could mentally or physically cope with another DC. My doctor agreed when I was pregnant with Sky I should stop at 2. So 25th Sept I have an appt to get a referral which my Doc had agreed to do before.

Blitzed the top half of my house today..just need to wipe the surfaces of the bathroom and that's all done :) love a good and clean tidy house. Will mop the kitchen floor before I go to bed too.

Made a birthday cake for a friends little boy today and think it looks great, but after standing for 3 hrs decorating it and then standing whilst blitzing the upstairs my back is hurting loads :( oh well once i've finished the autumn clean housework I can put my cankles up and relax in front of Masterchef :)

QueenofClean · 04/09/2013 20:43

I have blitzed the house today. Autumn clean is done - hoovered, polished and chucked stuff that hasn't been used in 3 months. Bleached the bathroom & kitchen & bleached the kitchen floor. Also tidied everywhere and all toys except Sky's books are now in the conservatory so I have my living room back Grin

Darcie been a right cow bag for bed, cleaning helps me relax...I finished blitzing the house at 20:35pm and I done it without murdering Darcie think of the mess Grin

SevenReasonsToSmile · 05/09/2013 18:29

Sorry I fell off the thread.

We had MIL round today, she had still been saying BIL didn't have a date for crown court. She phoned later this afternoon saying there was a message on her answer phone when she got home, and he's in court tomorrow. I thought it sounded fishy for him to find out at such short notice, plus I done jury duty at the same court a few years ago and all cases started on Mondays. Anyway, I googled and found a site showing crown court lists for today and tomorrow. His name is on tomorrow's list, it says committal for sentence. I'm guessing that means the trial has taken place already and he'll be sentenced tomorrow? So basically she only told us because he'll likely be in prison tomorrow Angry

Will try to catch up later.

OctopusWrangler · 05/09/2013 19:34

[http://www.hse.gov.uk/enforce/enforcementguide/court/crown-sentence.htm link]]

NorthernChinchilla · 05/09/2013 22:05

Yes, you were right to be suspicious seven, and his name by committal for sentencing proves it. Given we don't know precisely what he's been convicted of, or the details of the case, it may not mean prison (tho likely). But he's definitely guilty- although you knew that already. Not someone who'll ever be let near your DCs again then.
I do feel for your DH and his family though- this sort of thing has a massive impact on innocent families of people convicted, especially given what it is.

So, so sorry Sad

Glad you've had such a blitz and it's made you feel good Queen; we just need a chemist to come and splice us all with your clean genes!

LadyFiggy, did they not confirm your DH's diagnosis? I thought he'd hear for definite this week, but are they saying they still don't know? That's not good news, staying in limbo won't help either of you.

DP's job application goes in tomorrow, and the house hunt continues...sigh.

Aethelfleda · 05/09/2013 22:56

Aargh, my possible childcare has fallen through. Off to comb the surestart centre, school, interweb and local nurseries until a solution falls out. Aargh.

SevenReasonsToSmile · 05/09/2013 23:02

I just lost a massive catch up post :(

mopsy hold the new job is going well.

aethel hope everyone's body clocks have returned to normal now.

octo thanks for the link, hope its easier for you now the schools have gone back.

LadyG hole you bought the cost! Sorry DH still has no diagnosis, and hope your mum is able to offer some support.

queen sorry things have been tough with Darcie. Hope you're doing ok, DLA forms are awful. There isn't much worse you can do as a mother than fill in a 55 page form listing in detail everything wrong with your child, plus all the things they find difficult and ways they need more help than other children:(

peril glad you haven't murdered DH. I'd been meaning to ask how your first year of veggies was going. We're now getting a second crop of French beans, everything else is done except in the greenhouse. We have winter cabbage and bok choi seedlings in the greenhouse, just waiting for the cabbage whites to bugger off before they can go outside.

northern thanks for that, we're quite worried tbh. DH is working Saturday, they have papers in the pub , one of them is the local one that BILs name will inevitably be in on Saturday if he gets a custodial sentence.

SevenReasonsToSmile · 05/09/2013 23:08

And now for me. I managed a week and a half of running, now I've truly messed my knees up by being too big for running, so I'm powerwalking until I've lost enough weight to try again. DH is trying to cut his hours down at work, he's doing 50 hour weeks which is just far too much, I suggested by doing a 4 day week he'll then be doing a normal amount of weekly hours, need to wait to see what the bosses decide though. They initially suggested cutting him down to 16 hours and seeing if we'd be better off on benefits Hmm. And DD1 has just started putting 2 words together, so far we've had Daddy shops, baby bottle and (mc)Donald's chips Blush

PerilousStiletto · 06/09/2013 08:30

hee hee! to Donald's chips!
Sorry about the BIL saga. The words "Committal for sentencing" makes it all very real, doesn't it? I hope that your DH and family don't get a hard time about it. I would hope that as you have kids, it might make people more sympathetic - ie "they couldn't have known, they have little ones".
Our first year of veggy-ing has gone quite well. We alwaqys said that this year was just a practice year as we didn';t have a clue what we were doing and have had no time to really put into it, but:

  • You should see our incredible big sweetcorn plants! they are going to be amazing.
  • carrots are doing very well
  • parsnips - we will be inundated with them! brilliant!
  • leeks - looking great - again, thousands of 'em coming through.
  • the lettuce crop was bountiful and lovely, but we've cleared that out now.
Coriander - we never harvested it and it just went wild, so we've cut it right back - not sure if it'll come back. Onions - might be OK, we've only got a few though. Spinach - grew well - but was always a magnet for bugs/slugs so it didn't look appealing Sprouts - never happened. cabbages - we had loads, and we still have loads, but we didn't cover them up and most of them look like lace. he will have a bounteous crop of butterflies.... A couple of them look good and tight, so we may get one or two (out of the hundreds!) At the other side of the garden we have raspberries and we've just had LOADS this year. Ali eats them straight of the plant if he gets to them first. He loves them. So, we've learnt a lot this year! next year will be better and more organised. But I'm surprised how well everything seems to be going with very very little input! - Most things we just planted outside, from seed, no protection, and some watering. :)
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PerilousStiletto · 06/09/2013 08:48

We've been having the "another child" discussion. this time, it's not about our marriage. This time it's about schools. We are quite well-served for primary schools, but secondary schools are rubbish around here. there are two that are very good - one is private (£11k a year), and the other is CofE and you only get in if you have had high, certified attendance at church - you and the child.
Well, I'll get up early on Sundays devotedly for footy training, or other interests, but I'm not kneeling before any golden icon asking for forgiveness... (I know, I'm doomed to rot in hell...)
We're probably paying about 7k a year for childcare now, so private wouldn't be that much more difficult at a stretch. But I can't see us ever being able to afford to put two kids through private school.
I thought, we could go to a state primary, and use the time to save up as much as possible for secondary. But a friend has advised that it's better to invest in the primary - because that's when they get the passion for learning that will see them through whatever comes next. I can see that... (But I also think that it's up to us to encourage and build the passion for learning.)
Another thing to consider is that, in 10 years time, the other schools may have massively improved, or there may be a better new school...
It's a quandary. I never thought I'd consider sending a child to public school. I did ok without it (i went to a good state primary and then a bloody awful comprehensive). But things have changed since I was little.
My dad outright told me that I shouldn't even think of having another. BOi is brilliant and I'm too old. !! (I think he's scared that he couldn't possibly love another as much as he loves BOi.)
Anyway, the Boi and I are going to visit the nursery affiliated to the public school this afternoon. It's only slightly more expensive than the CM. If it's great, then at least we are in the community to get to know the school to help make that decision in a few years.
Whatever happens, we're going to spend some money getting the house done before Christmas (which will reduce the astronomical heating bills this winter!), and then we're going to start saving - for any eventuality. After Turkey, next week, any future holidays will be at ma n Pa's caravan. :)

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Xiaoxiong · 06/09/2013 13:13

Peril as you know you can't get much more rah-rah public school than us considering where DH teaches and we've had the public/state primary discussion many times as we are surrounded by some of the best prep schools in the country. However having talked to many of our neighbours with older kids I don't think that I would actually agree with your friend about it being more important to spend your money in the primary years - the consensus among most of our teacher friends with kids is that parental influence is much more important in the early years and can make up for basically any but a seriously awful primary experience.

However, as you get to secondary and especially the exam years the ability of a parent to influence a child's love of learning reduces and the school and especially the child's peers matter a lot more (ie. getting into a school where doing well academically is not seen as lame/swotty/nerdy).

This is not perfectly correlated with public vs state - I went to a private school where I was ostracised socially for doing maths and science as a girl (luckily transferred to a brilliant school for 6th form), while a friend of mine who did engineering at Cambridge went to a comprehensive which was incredibly encouraging of her doing science/maths/engineering. Also the previous school DH taught at was private and it was utter crap - I would never ever have sent my son there - demoralised teachers, aggressive bullying students and an atmosphere very unconducive to learning.

I certainly see here at our school that teachers help the boys massively with exams, are extremely proactive about appeals and remarks when exam results come in, and are right on top of university entrance requirements. That's what your money buys you at secondary level - not so much perfect A*s across the board, as that's up to the pupil as well, but fantastic advice about what universities are looking for and which will be most appropriate to the boy's talents and temperament.

The final thing to consider is facilities - most private schools invest heavily in sports/music/drama facilities and tend to do the "extras" to a much much higher standard than many state schools are able to afford, sadly. At the younger years it doesn't really matter if your kid has access to top-notch facilities at school as they are less likely to be specialising to a serious degree. However as kids get older and show a serious aptitude for something it's the private schools that have the facilities to develop that within the structure of the school without forcing you to take your kid out to clubs/training/camps that may interfere with academics. For example, at the boys' BBQ for the start of the half last night at the boarding house where DH is deputy housemaster, I was sitting with two boys who are going to GB trials for rowing, a boy who plays the clarinet to professional standards, and a boy who has just published a paper in an academic medical journal related to stuff he was working on over the summer with one of the science teachers here at the school. All this is possible together with staying in school because the school has the Olympic rowing lake together with a coach who represented GB at the Athens Olympics, the clarinet teacher that comes in plays in the London Symphony Orchestra, and the science teacher is a PhD from Imperial College London and helped the boy get a summer placement at his old lab.

So yeah, if you got to the end of that tome, good for you...we spend a lot of time talking about this stuff. FWIW we're going to start DS at the state primary across the street and just stay really engaged and on top of it, and move him if we feel it's not the right environment.

Xiaoxiong · 06/09/2013 14:32

I just showed DH my post above and he added that there is a wealth of research showing a hormone-related dip in concentration and academic performance between the ages of 13 and 15 for boys - a bit earlier for girls - so if there are limited resources (both time and financial) concentrate them in those years - that's where parental engagement and extra attention at school can make a big difference.

PerilousStiletto · 06/09/2013 15:21

Oh thank you! This is indeed heartening to hear. - it gives us 10 years to save up! Grin

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jigglebum · 06/09/2013 18:29

peril - I teach in the same sector as xiao s DH (though not quite so an impressive a school!) and would always say if you are going to pay for some education then pay for secondary. There are some fab state primary schools around and kids tend to go off the boil more from 12+, but do research your schools well. Private schools are very different from one another and different children suit different schools. I aim to be working at a school that F and DS can go to when the time comes, as we could never afford it otherwise - average day fees are now over £14,000 a year and boarding over £24,000 - and I have taught 4 children of the same family in a school at one time; imagine having that kind of money.

Faffin · 06/09/2013 19:56

All very interesting and useful, thanks Xiao and jiggle. We had thought that it was more important to pay at secondary level, if at all, so it's good to hear you agree. We will be having to decide on primary school for DD soon and are perfectly happy with the little village school for that. She should get in since as we live here, but it's C of E and we don't do church. I have been assured by other mums that this won't be a problem! It will be nice for her to have friends in the village and to walk around the corner to school, and we'll help with learning at home too.

I'd always said I would never pay for my kids to go to school, and if we lived where DH grew up I'd be quite happy for the DC's to go to the state secondary, but the ones near here are awful. If that's still the case in 8 years we'll look into private schools. DH reckons he can't think of a better thing to spend his wages on!

I meant to say a while back how impressed I am with BOi's counting skills. DS is so funny with his. Initially everything was two. He'd walk up stairs going: two, two, two. Then we had the same thing but with one. Now we've moved on to: one, three, four, five, six. Two has completely disappeared Grin

hinkyhonk · 06/09/2013 20:16

Still no words here.

Feeling pretty disheartened and disillusioned with everything at the moment. Am in a well paid job but after child care and travel we only just break even and on dec ill have to pay to go to work. I can't believe it has come to this but I might have to give up work. But I'm a shit shouty mum and our nanny does a better job of getting the boys to behave than me. Am crap at work and at home. It's all a bit shit really.

Off for a glass of Wine sure that will help. Sorry for the pity party feeling rather glum