November 2012 - Summertime, and the babies are sleeping (mostly with a few notable exceptions)

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1800961-November-2012-Is-is-too-early-for-birthday-plans

I bet Kate Middleton never has to stay up making purees.

Eliza I know deep down I need to just go with it, he's never done wrong yet and I should stop stressing. I always feel an instant wave of guilt after i've posted, I have fuck all to moan about and I spend so long moaning and some of you have so much to deal with and are so supportive. Thankyou. It sounds like the dietician appt was really quite positive! So she hasn't gained weight BUT they weren't concerned and she's going on a high calorie milk which should hopefully help :) And 2 weeks without the tube, woohoo! Hopefully she'll have gained a bit of weight when she has her next review but it's a good sign she's growing despite no gain isn't it :D That sounds an awful lot of water?!?! E can't possibly have anywhere near that much, I take it formula won't count? He doesn't have any breast milk and drinks maybe 4-5oz Juice per day, so thats what, 150ml? Eek!

Pass E keeps whacking his head trying to crawl. Oddly if he brushes by something he squeals like a stuck pig and cries at me, but if he proper whacks his head/has a bruise/makes me go ouch and wait for screaming he just looks at me. Weirdo!

800ml including milk?

chasing there is an expression in French: mieux vaut etre seul que mal accompagne : it's better to be alone than badly accompanied. The loneliness will go you know as your confidence grows.

pig I think Pippa's the cooking expert in that family. Maybe she'll bring out a puree book in a few months.

Oh Chasing i'm sorry you're feeling lonely :(

If you're ever online i'm often lonely in the evenings as dp works nights, so if you ever fancy a chat i'm here

I think you're making great progress with o's naps :)

mm remember I keep saying they are all different. But don't worry she won't get to university to yet crawling! they all get there in the end, but completely understand you want her to be doing things the same as others. DS1 was born 2 days later than his cousin and they have developed at completely different rates, it is really interesting to watch, and I have a friend who has twins and, obviously, brought them up the same, and the have both hit milestones at completely different times. Anecdotes over.

Rant rant rant removal men who didn't put the cotbed together properly last September when I specifically asked the, to pay attention to it and toddlers who think that a cotbed is the place to do gymnastics.

Rant rant rant, who opened the to toblerone which tempted me to eat loads when I have already gained 4 lbs in the last couple of weeks.

I have my sterilisation tomorrow < runs off and hides>

Have discovered one of the mums at nursery works in the post op care and will be the one to wake me up. Have been promised VIP treatment

Am looking forward to a couple of days in bed making it for allot is worth.

Anyone else need chocolate therapy?

Xx

Good luck for tomorrow sophia.

Eliza 800mls!? There is no way, no way at all, that F gets that. Milk or no milk. Poor mite is having a battle with her bowels actually, as she's eating a lot more, especially on nursery days, when she has 5 meals a day...but not much water, despite trying. Watch out when the floodgates open...

Off to bed now. It's my birthday in the morning - first one as a mummy.

Only if you have dairy and soya free chocolate therapy, sadly.

Oh and I think my babyis the only baby who hates white noise. You know he has been struggling to get to sleep the last few days, i thoughts teeth, cold, heat etc etc. tonight I tried turning the air con off at 8:30 when he was still whining. Pretty much straight to sleep.

Chasing I think you're spot on - you can try to force change on babies but if they're not ready it's like trying to push string uphill. Personally I can't do stuff which makes him unhappy just because its convenient to me hence I can't do Gina Ford (don't get me wrong I'll happily tell him off and discipline him when he's misbehaving as a toddler I'm not a pushover but at the moment he is wee and just not capable of being deliberately 'naughty') I think your gentle and generous parenting of O is a wonderful inspiration and you'll have a closeness that those who impose their will on their children will never know.

Operation nap in cot has been Jonas is definitely happy to nap in the cot now and sleeps deeper and longer in there but if he has too much daytime sleep his nighttime sleep suffers. Unless the regression is here .

Actually I do have some of the aforementioned chocolate bp shaped like a lollipop! ( we have been soy intolerant since back in the day with DD1 always have a stash here, feel free to pop in )

I am indulging in chocolate therapy. I actually look pregnant again. Has it stopped me? Has it bollocks. I am a fat fucker. There, i said it :P

Hope it goes well tomorrow sophia :)

sounds like your napping op is going well too yw good stuff :)

chasing Operation Nap here bit of a disaster today (Day 4). Days 2 and 3 much better with long post-lunchtime sleeps with a bit of resettling required. Today he was up early and I had DS1 at home too. Was desperately trying to get home from soft play with him awake to do lunch before his nap, which I just about did but lunch was fairly hopeless as he didn't eat much and then was overtired when he eventually went down. He had 1 hr 20 with a resettle but refused anymore. So that meant he had a short nap at 4 too - but in recent past experience, this had led to the early mornings. Oh well. Sounds like your day was more successful - long may it continue!

Eliza - Yay for the tube being out. Hope it goes well over the next couple of weeks.

On the babies moving subject, the all babies being different thing is definitely going on here. DS1 walked incredibly early at 9 months, with the merest hint of a crawl after he'd already started walking. But he couldn't stand still until a fair few weeks later so he had to walk between things or we had to pick him up when he fell over for the fifty-millionth time. F is crawling, cruising and now starting to stand on his own at 8.5 months which is a far more sensible way of doing things and will hopefully avoid the collection of dents in head that DS1 acquired, only one for which we went to A&E! And I speak literally, not metaphorically, he had one in his forehead for several years until it eventually grew out, from crashing into the bay window corner wall.

They both seem to take after their Dad who walked very early and has not been able to sit still since.

Apologies if that seemed boastful, as a result of early walking, I am not expecting early talking.

O might manage about 8mls of water a day

Thanks everyone. Couldn't cope without you all. Genuinely.

Thanks Sophia but I've just eaten a whole bag of Thorntons Vanilla truffles so feeling very . Fuck knows why I am still losing weight. At a ridiculously low weight now. 6lb 11 FFS.

Thanks YW, just feels natural. He has always been a bit slower with eating, he only had tiny milk feeds for a long time. Finger foods is definitely what he prefers and he is keeping to his centiles so I am not too worried about how much he actually eats. My stepmum is desparate for O to crawl/walk/talk and keeps trying to 'help' him by moving his arms and legs I just want to let him figure it out for himself. Imagine how chuffed he will be when it finally clicks!

I think he is more than ready for cot sleeping, he seems positively relieved in fact. Hot weather is probably helping with that. I crept into his room earlier when he was asleep and he lifted his head to look at me, huffed and turned away from me

kyz you sound completely lovely. You can tell there isn't a bad bone in your body. I would love to meet you one day

And as if you all didn't know already, PR is competely wonderful and has been helping me enormously these past few weeks despite having so much shit to deal with herself

Yes pass Thats has always been my name.

Hehe I don't want to get everyone fretting about water intake. Perhaps it did include formula too. In fact thinking about it, it must do. Either way, don't all get your knickers in a twist

Yes please sophia I love toblerone. I've been fancing a bit of choccie tonight, was moaning to DH earlier that we didn't have any.

bplp Huge big happy birthday wishes for tomorrow x

Good luck for tomorrow Sophia have say I could do with a couple of days bedredt :o

pig I hope you have a great birthday tomorrow

where's vq today?

Found this:
From 6 to 12 months, babies do not need much water but introducing some in a bottle or sippy cup can help them get used to the taste (or lack thereof) and consistency of the liquid. Limiting water to about 2 to 4 ounces per day is the typical recommendation as babies make the transition from an all-liquid diet to one involving solids, although some babies may benefit from closer to 6 to 8 ounces per day (such as in the case of constipation or extremely hot and humid weather).

So in short she must have been takling about total volume of liquid inc milk, food etc which obviously we have no way of measuring. Panic over!

Ah thanks chasing Yum!

That sounds much more sensible Eliza! My HV said that the 'desired' milk intake for this age is 550-700mls a day, so including water and watery foods that sounds about right to me.

Oscar tends to have lunch at 1 and dinner at 5 and had now only started taking an ounce or two from his 4pm bottle so it looks like that will be the first one to be dropped.

jims i'm quite happy for e to stay as a non crawler/walker, he's difficult enough to keep an eye on e as it is and he just rolls and shuffles and commando crawls about the place!

chasing and you seem like a lovely person, you really do. You and O clearly have a very strong bond and he's lucky to have you as his mummy. I would love to meet you too and you're not too far from me, I'm sure we can arrange something. I am incredibly shy until I know someone, and then I am loud and I speak my mind and I have a dirty, dirty vocabulary with lots of swearing in it :P

ahh eliza that makes sense!

I hope vq is ok, vq where are youuhooo?

New carseat rules, urgh

You are so right Sophia - M is doing lots of things that those uber-competitive mums aren't. like not sleeping Good luck tomorrow xo

Bedtime has been a total nightmare tonight, involving a trip in the car. where I didn't convince myself the car was about to explode when stuck in traffic - came home with a hysterical baby and within 2 minutes (literally) DP had her asleep. So madame I know just how frustrated you must be feeling! Bollocks to work ishoos too

Oh and I went with Sainsbury's with my car insurance in the end. My old insurance company actually asked me if I "would consider paying £300 extra because they have been so good to me over 4 years" wtf?! Anyway, my point was does anyone else find dealing with these sort of phonecalls with a baby neigh-on-impossible?

Everything sounds really positive wrt the tube eliza - fc this is the end of it!

mums' babies

MM I have had to make numerous phone calls in the past few weeks and more than one has ended with me saying "I'm sorry, I've got to go and attend to that screaming baby you can hear in the background"