November 2012 - The weaning adventure continues

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1772925-November-2012-Adventurous-eaters-food-refusers-and-everything-in-between

[TheDetective]

There are tears from everyone in the detective household :(

Every 15 minutes all night long. Til he woke for the day at 6. No. Fucking. Idea.

Help :(

It's just like last time with over 20 wake ups a night.

I'm never taking anything to help me sleep ever again.

[Brockle]

is it teeth detective ? are his gums sore? ds2 was awful with his teeth. dreading it this time. can you go back to bed for a bit and swop with DP a bit later?

[TheDetective]

No signs of teeth as far as I can tell.

Doubt it. He's in bed now. Got to get his milk fro chemist, pick DS up from school when they get back, and have a meal booked for fathers day. :(

[TheDetective]

I mean DP is in bed. I'm about to try and get O down for a nap.

[BigPigLittlePig]

Oh gosh, shit sleeps all round by the sound of it (although luis optimistically quiet again) - for det, lily and chasing and an extra stron with extra espresso shots for stunt. Ibuprofen worked wonders last night, although may have been coincidence as both teeth have broken through. Stunt J sounds exactly like F was prior to teeth erupting, could it be that? Sorry to hear 'd'h was a nob.

Dsd highly excited by the prospect of fathers day, F more "meh" about the whole affair. Canadian breakfast (yum) and a lazy day ahead. F enjoyed smearing a pancake.

Has anyone got nice plans for the day?

[ChasingDaisy]

Oh stunt massive massive hugs and . Poor little J as well. I'm so sorry your 'D'H is being such a nobber.

Same for Detective. Did he seem in pain? Or just wanting to play? Maybe something developmental

Up every couple of hours in the end but stayed in his cor until 5 which is good. I think it is teeth.

My fb feed is full of people dedicating statuses to their wonderful baby-daddies

Off to meet XP in MK for fathers day today. We spoke last night and both agree that separating is for the best and that we want to try and keep things civil for O's sake.

[fruitpastilles]

Poor you stunt and det sounds like you both had awful nights. To everyone else with shit nights too.
We don't have Father's Day plans, my cousins dd1 is making her first holy communion today and is having a party after so we are off to that.
detective S seems to be following O in the loving wires department! She has just rolled over to the settee, reached under and pulled dp's laptop wire out from under there and screamed when I took it off her!

[Passmethecrisps]

det massive sympathy. Every single time I take kalms p is really unsettled and it just makes it so much harder.

stunt that sounds absolutely horrendous. Bad nights with babies in pain are awful with the most supportive person in the world but that kind of attitude is just terrible. I am with YW on the frustration at not giving pain relief. I just don't get it. I am not talking about dipping dummies in calpol nightly or giving it at every peep but if they are clearly uncomfortable then why not? If I have a sore head, toothache or a sore tummy then I take pain relief. If I don't take any then that is my decision. I think it is cruel to withhold medications personally.

Sounds good pikz

[Kyzordz]

Morning all, happy Father's Day to all the deserving daddies out there! Don't have one worth writing home about myself but Eric has a good 'un and that's the important thing!

Happy birthday to dd1 for yesterday vq sounds like j has cottoned on quickly with solids! Good stuff :) am really pleased to read about so many babies getting the hang of it! Really wish mine would :(

det not another one?!? :( hope it passes soon! That sounds like a shitter of a night! Might he have eaten something that doesn't agree with him?

stunt sounds like an awful night! An awful row of them actually :( I don't understand why he couldn't have calpol. I don't get why you'd not want to help him if he's sore or at least try to. Not you personally obviously! Massive huge hugs, hope the pil keep comments to themselves today

madame and chasing and everyone else needing one!

chasing that sounds quite positive, hope today goes ok

I tried breakfast this morning before bottle and he just kept clamped shut :'( tried for 20 mins then gave up, and then he drained his bottle.

Not sure what else to do :(

[YellowWellies]

Sophia I'd like to at least be updiffed with no.2 by autumn 2014 - I'd happily be preggers again now but only if I could afford a nanny to run the house / help with childcare! If I could plan it I'd go for a spring baby but I'm not sufficiently OCD to actually plan it. I will make sure I've got plenty of weeks leeway maternity allowance wise in case no. 2 shows up early as well.

Boo to all the shit nights just a thought if the pain looks to be reflux related sometimes calpol by coating the throat in a gacky liquid can make it worse - our paed mentioned it can give the stomach acid something to adhere to? I hope they are all teeth related and the crappy nights haven't been for nothing! xxx

[StuntNun]

J is on ranitidine as well YW but he's still having a lot of pain. Tbh I'm not convinced the ranitidine does anything for him. Calpol does seem to help J but maybe it's different with him having silent reflux, the GP did say there weren't any signs of issues at the back of his throat.

I did have a random thought of violence towards DH MM . He was shouting why won't you go to sleep at J again a while ago. Honestly I don't know why he's in such a bad way about it, he's getting far more sleep than I am because J is almost exclusively breastfed. I think DH is making it worse for himself because J is hardly going to settle well under those conditions. He also thinks it's acceptable to leave J crying in his cot, he doesn't realise controlled crying is a technique you need to apply consistently with a certain method, he regards it as an excuse to dump J and run, saying he's tired he needs to learn to self-settle. Meanwhile J gets more and more hysterical.

Sorry to hear you had a bad night too Detective. Was O crying or just waking for no apparent reason?

Great to hear that Pikz.

There's one sharp little fang cutting through BigPig but it seems to be his tummy giving him trouble.

[Elizadoesdolittle]

Yw I have the fall on sky plus but not got round to watching it yet. Might not bother now I know they don't catch the bastard

chasing good luck meeting xp. I hope for yours and more importantly o's sake he is able to keep things civil.

Huge hugs for those with god awful nights. Sounds like there were more than usual.

Not really got any special Father's Day plans. DH is playing golf so I'll just make a roast later. Will pop over to the in laws briefly. my own dad died a couple of years a go.

[BigPigLittlePig]

Stunt I'm not trying to excuse dhs attitude (coz on the surface it is shit) but I know MrPig on occasion has shouted or got really frustrated at F when she won't settle, but it is purely out of frustration at the fact that her being unsettled means another shit night for me, iyswim. Teething makes reflux worse, doesn't it? Fs gums didn't seem to bother her that much, but the worsening reflux certainly did.

We caught the last episode of the fall, dh was seriously pissed off to find it was the last one! Imagine his face when I told him when the next series will bed!

Chasing civility definitely makes life easier. DH and his XP get on ok, and it means they are sometimes able to talk through big decisions rationally unless she's being a bitch

Need to sort out contraception now I'm not bf as much - the thought of being updiffed is a bit . I do think though, at least I've had a refluxey, non-napping, prem baby 1st time round - next time has to be easier right!?

[StuntNun]

It's not really fair as you only hear my side of the story BigPig. I think because I'm spending all my time with J and also probably because I'm breastfeeding I'm much more in tune and responsive to him than DH. Also DH likes to be able to say here is the problem, I will fix it and all will be well. So this kind of unconsolable crying is much harder on him. Whereas I have the attitude that at least I might be able to make it a bit more bearable for J by comforting him, DH thinks if he comforts J and j doesn't stop crying then there's nothing he can do so he doesn't need to do anything IYSWIM. DH is being put through the mill at work atm, he's been travelling abroad almost every week lately which isn't much fun for him and means he isn't really getting time to actually do his work because it's all meetings and presentations. I'm hoping things will get easier at the end of the month as the kids finish school and there won't be so much pressure getting them ready in the morning, homework, trumpet and swimming lessons etc.

[Lily311]

I took my dad this morning to the swimming pool, it was nice. Left O with my mum. And now feeling sad that O can't treat her dad with anything. She has her dad's picture above her cot and also his favourite jumper and we say good night to him every night. Am just full of tears now, it's so not fair.

On the other hand, I got the last bits of furnitures for O's room so I might pop into the shop, get a bottle of wine and fix them once little madam is asleep. Although I fancy a run too. Hmmm.

[kirrinIsland]

sounds like there were some shit nights being had last night to those that need them.

[Bryzoan]

Hugs to everyone. Sounds like rotten times all round. Stunt- dh is like that about calpol. I just get on and give it now anyway if needed. We had a roughish night too but nothing like the rest of you.

Just popped in to give particularly big hugs to lily and chasing today.

And also to say happy father's day luis hope you are rested and having a good one but not dancing to britney, the thought of that makes my head hurt and as mrsg says it is bad for your knees.

[ChasingDaisy]

Lily this must be one of the hardest days for you. For what its worth, I really admire you

Yes, Happy Fathers Day Luis! I am hoping that last nights absence means that L has finally cracked this sleeping lark.

Today was fine, met XP, all was civil, O was happy to see him. Apparently the ex in-laws are 'really fucked off with me'. Not with the man who is violent towards the mother of his child, but the mother removing said child from a violent situation No lingering feelings there for XP so that is good.

[LuisGarcia]

Yay for no lingering feelings!

Thank you all. Have had a sleep and am having steak and wine to celebrate. Sadly L is back to her old tricks, so no Britney today

[Bryzoan]

Chasing - well we are all really quite fucked off with your ex inlaws too as it goes! Glad today went ok.

Luis - sorry about the sleep. Relieved about the Britney.

[Sophiathesnowfairy]

Oh lily I just want to hug you. I hope your day ends on a good note.

We have had a lovely day. We had the boys Thanksgiving this morning, followed by Sunday lunch with my dad and his wife at a nearby pub. DH is snoring on the sofa after flying back from NI at ridiculous o'clock this morning to make sure he was back in time.

I am feeling a bit plump after lunch tbh

[BigPigLittlePig]

Ladies who have previously bf - how long does it take for the agony engorged boobs to deflate? I feed F at 8am then not again until 6pm - by 2pm things are sore. Today it got to the point where I couldn't even cuddle her

Lily hugs xx
Chasing fuck 'em. Glad the meeting was uneventful
Sophia food porn, please?

Why is it that F will not fall asleep in her cot, but has just nodded off sat bolt upright whilst I typed the above?!

[Sophiathesnowfairy]

bplp was your standard, but very well done roast beef and Yorkshire pudding with roast pots. I had rhubarb and ginger crumble for pud.

We are having tapas tonight as I thought it would be a light tea and would go nicely with a bottle of wine I refrained at lunch and thus feel justified.

Am pleased we are rapidly approaching wine o clock!

[MadamGazelleIsMyMum]

lily hugs

luis happy Father's Day!

Well, it happened at 7 months. DS has discovered his penis. Last 2 nights at bath time, was mesmerised!

DH back from hockey tournament, pleasantly surprised by comparative lack of injuries and hangover, and he brought cash back too, despite a rinkside equipment shop. He might earn himself a v for such mature behaviour for a change.

[Sophiathesnowfairy]

Ha ha madame ! I am constantly saying "hand" to DS1 as it goes down his trousers ALL the time he does it without thinking. Are all boys like this?