November 2012 - When are they going to sleep through again?

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1751304-November-2012-Babies-first-holidays-India-Australia-the-world-is-their-oyster

It doesn't mean she doesn't care for or love little brother though. Don't worry about that.

I've had similar reactions from my seven year old vq but they do learn. ds1 has quickly come to realise there are rewards when he helps out but I do still get the odd teenage strop. perhaps have a chat with her, just you and her, and explain that she is your second in command (and awesome) and sometimes you just need her to help you out. I had a chat with Mahmood like that and it really helped. if he had been really helpful he would get an extra chapter at bedtime or the chance to play on the computer. doesn't always work but he is tons better.

Marginally less awful night here, but still very, very far from where it was / where i need it to be. I was vile to DH again. He woke me this morning, despite my mum having the DC, to tell me he was going to work. When he knew I had had a crap night, and he hadn't helped despite being in the same room, and that this morning was the best chance of sleep I got. So all my overnight resolutions to be less vile were immediately replaced with a snarled "fuck off, feel free not to come home". Unlike PR, am not about to be wife of the year.

Lots of for those with poor nights. There are so many - just as well my coffee pot is large!

For some unknown reason DH slept very lightly last night. So lightly actually that I woke to find him getting up to P's snuffles and whimpers. It was interesting in that he always encourages me just to ignore these wee noises as she doesn't need me but I find it too hard. He was exactly the same last night. She does have a cold though so I think she does actually need the attention.

evil is your DH willing to get up very single night then? I presume so considering he is telling you what's what!

madam I am sure things will get better. It is terrible that sleep has become bad just as you go back to work - awful timing. I am sure DH will be feeling pretty daft for waking you up. Maybe a blether over some would help?

Not a terrible night in the end. Bed at 7.40. Woke at 8.50 and drained 5oz. Woke at 12 and self settled. Woke at 3.30 and took 2oz. In bed at 5 and awake at 7.15. So only one 2oz feed between 9-7 and a self settling.

I have been awake since 3.30 though

Think what he needs is a big feed at 9pm ish to see him through the night so am going to introduce a dream feed before I go to bed at 9. Previously I didn't want to disturb his long stretch of sleep but as he is waking up anyway, I have nothing to lose.

pass interestingly I have heard of regressions outside mn. A lot of my friends have had issues particularly aroun 4/6/9 months then again at 15-18 months. And one of my cousins who's girls are 14 and 12 also experienced them. I wholeheartedly agree with you that I'd be taking o to the gp or speaking to someone now about it.

Those of you finding the cot transition difficult, I covered the bars with a celluar blanket, and he sleeps surrounded by teddies. Just to help with the feeling of too much space. Might be worth trying?

Glad to hear E likes his cot now Horsey. I've heard about regressions off MN too - indeed the paed mentioned the 6 month one yesterday.

Det I knocked solids on the head for a week during the 6 month regression as having a churning belly and a whirring brain did not a sleeping baby make. Once his sleep had improved (within days but probably coincidence) we went slowly back onto solids. His sleeping and eating is fab now.

After our breakfast chat - he kinda answered it himself by nicking some of my toasted bagel yesterday (the closest he can get to toast until he can eat dairy / normal bread). Highlights from the paed yesterday which might be of use to quichettes include:

• no need to avoid egg and wheat with CMPI babies unless they have eczema or there is a family history of allergies.

• nutramigen 1 (AA lipil) is suitable for 100% of CMPI, nutramigen 2 is suitable for 90% of CMPI babies - the 10% most sensitive (typically those able to detect dairy in BM) should continue on nutramigen 1 and vitamin drops.

• allergic reactions are as likely to occur on second tastes than the first time a baby tries a food.

• don't push on through with a food that a baby seems to be reacting to - they won't 'grow out of it' any quicker if forced and it just risks eroding the oesophagus which makes eating painful and can create long term oral aversions. Any reaction means knock a food on the head for 1-6 months depending on how severe.

• I've been told to gently try trace soy in my diet from 8 months and then trace dairy and to stop if there are any reactions, and try again in 1-3 months. She's given me a way to build up starting with adding to my diet then Jonas'.

• basically try trace dairy (so maybe bread or biscuits), then yogurt (literally 1/2 teaspoon), then cheese, then butter, then last of all raw milk. This introduction process could take years. I'm glad I've gone to the faff of my elimination diet as starting with changes to my diet is super gentle on him. It might have been worth it!!!!

kirren -jealous of you being able to pipe and have fluids.

pass- yes he does get up every night, this time I snapped at him. He's a bit like a 1940 man, I still blame his mum for this. Before She arrived we were much better, he would have to do things but now she does it.

madam- I'm borrowing that!

Sorry to read of the bad nights espally det here's a huge [cuppa]
Evil

YW, I asked the paed & drs about changing L's milk from AA to 2 as he has no reaction to dairy in bm but they wouldn't. No one has said anything about vitamin drops, should he be taking them?

I have heard people talk about 4 month regression but I had no idea there was a 6 month one. L's sleep has never been great apart from weeks 6 to 12 when I thought 4 hrs was great but the last week there has been a noticeable dip. Last night was a slight improvement so I am hopeful, although we have our holiday next week and then moving into cot to be potential disruptions.

Anyone have any views on whether it's better to move his cot into our room first while he gets used to it and then into his room, or go cold turkey and straight into his cot in his room?

Jupiter - I asked a health visitor about this, and they weren't bothered about them. They mentioned something about rickets in children coming back.

Evil

A question for the quiche!

According to the older people that I know, if N is on hie feet to early then it will cause bowed legs. Is this true?
Evil

No evil. Old wives tale

Right. Can elaborate a bit more now as P is at peace.

I checked this with my GP evil when someone at my baby massage class made a pointed comment about it when p was bouncing about. He was that this had been said actually. He told me that babies need to learn how to use their legs - some sooner than others.

Worry not.

And I am pleased to be proved wrong about the regression!

Great info YW

Thanks quiche!
Evil

Vitamin drops are only needed for breastfed babies from six months or if your baby is drinking less than a pint of formula every day.

JJ rickets is relatively common in some areas, e.g. the Asian community in central Manchester, particularly as some mums won't give vitamin drops to their baby. If your baby is getting vitamin drops / formula and some sunlight (an hour a week on the face) then they won't develop rickets.

I think as a quiche we're much more observant of the sleep regressions because we're getting them at the same time in a slow wave from oldest babies to youngest babies. Whereas if I remark to my friend with a year old baby that we're having sleep issues he won't remember whether his baby had the same six months ago IYSWIM.

That's what I thought Stunt but I wondered from YW's post if her paed was saying that if he was on Nutramigen AA then he should still have the drops.

He's not on nutramigen yet, but we were given a supply and also vitamin drops with the implication that he would need both together if I even partially weaned him off me. I don't know if this is because he was prem, his restricted diet or because NHS Scotland is shit hot on vitamin deficiencies given our long dark winters and the links between vitamin D and MS. I'd ask your doc for some if worried.

Stunt I think that's spot on about the regressions. They're like Mexican waves passing through the quiche. I'm kinda glad J was early as whilst we tend to be in the first wave with little warning of approaching regressions - we're out the other side quick too and I don't have a sinking feeling watching a regression approaching

Oat milk pancakes with pear puree had him hooting with delight this morning! He's now BF down to a nap but is so sticky (even when wiped) eeewwww weaning nursing is messy....

Good point about the regression stunt.

YW my understanding was that nutramigen 2 (whether Lipl or AA) has additional vitimins in it so if still on 1 then drops will be needed. I agree that it is well worth checking with GP. It was the dietician who spoke to me about moving to 2. I am not sure if my GP would have thought to say

Pancakes - that's a great idea!

Do you think there would be mileage in a milk free weaning thread?

I think a milk free weaning thread would be excellent. Good thinking Batman.

I posted a long post and it has not appeared.

Anyway I whined and whinged and thanked folk for feedback.

Oh, and Madam, the number of times I have wanted to say that to my DH, but never had the nerve....... Perhaps I should I hope your day improves x