November 2012 - Babies' first holidays: India, Australia, the world is their oyster

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1746351-November-2012-In-denial-about-the-six-month-sleep-regression

Sophia that is brilliant. Well done you. I am inspired

Pass please ignore me, I'm a terrible patient and a very grumpy and overdramatic one. But thank you x and hope P is feeling better for her extra hrs sleep.

Chasing & Pidj good news on the sleeping, well done O and PC!

Lily lovely to hear you sounding so relaxed and happy and that O is happy too. Enjoy the sunshine.

Apologies, have read none of this new Fred, just dropping in to say hi. Our flight over was fine, C was very well behaved and slept a lot - me, much less. We've been here 36 hours which feels like I've spent a lot of time trying to put an overtired baby to sleep, or waking (!) a baby at 10am who wants to sleep for 7 hours. I'm being very mean.

But the weather is lovely (will change soon), the air smells delightful, the coffee is great and baby C met two grandparents, an aunt and uncle and three very excited cousins today. She's a huge hit.

Now I just need her to sleep for more than 45 mins at a time tonight, and we'll be all grand. I'll be back to read about quiche activity later but there is a sleeping baby in my arms to be put down, a glass of wine with my name on it, and some fresh fish for dinner. Life is good.

Hope life is good with all the babies.

pass I too am basically greedy and love food and cooking. Hairy dieters has been brill.

Well done sophia I really need a kick up the arse to do something about my weight she says nomming a biscuit and drinking milkshake I also have no willpower anymore, I lost 2 stone on slimming world but its all slipping back on since I have stopped going!

Chasing and pidj - well done on sleeps.
Mamapo glad to hear you've got there safely - although sounds lie a challenge to get LO to sleep with the jet lag.
Luis sounds as though I just missed you last night - thought I was the only poor soul up at that time.

F is not right. I'm considering taking her to the out of hours docs. She fed at 11.30pm and hasn't since. She tried to feed this morning, managed about 1 minute and then gagged. She's not quite as perky as usual. It's the 4th day now - you would think she'd be starting to turn the corner, but the feeding is getting worse. And she's needing calpol a couple of times a day, otherwise she bellows in pain.

Aww pig hugs poor F I hope she gets better soon.

Pig mummy's intuition is always right. Better safe than sorry with tiny people. I hope she is ok.

Pass I am surprised O hasn't picked up a tummy bug yet considering the amount of nomming he does and my lack of Dettol Queen-ness. Oh and bbc breakfast, its just advertising innit.

I am also starting O on purees again this week so we can give it a go together.

Well done pidj and pidjchick!

Luis I second what pass said. I'm sorry I missed you last night. You put a lot of the quiche's menfolk to shame. Family Garcia are very lucky indeed. How fucking good at WWF would you be if you weren't sleep deprived?!

QQ: how long does it take for baby passports to come back and did you need the passport before you booked the flights?

I am very embarassed. A friend of mine has opened up a kids' gift shop. Gorgeous but expensive stuff. Anyway it opened yesterday so we popped in this morning, and we decided to buy a couple of bits of stuff. And she wouldn't let us pay for it. So I said I would compromise and she can give us something cheap if she liked, but not the expensive stuff, and picked up a colouring book for DD1. So she ran everything through the till and billed us only for the colouring book

She says the rest is presents for the birth of LO.

On day 2 of business, we'e not even close and she's giving out big freebies. I felt really uncomfortable. I took some leaflets and am going to go out after dark and pop them through letterboxes, but the's nothing else I can do. I will of course buy her a present to say thank you but that's not going to make up for the cost to her stock.

But I hate it when people make a big deal and try to refuse if I give them a present, you just have to accept. But I feel bad.

If she sold stuff online I'd link all over MN, but she doesn't.

pig I hope F is OK. when I read your post I read 'out of doors doc' and imagined an open air surgery somewhere nice, like by a river, with bunting. Then I re-read and felt like a prat.

PR if only that were the case! How lovely of your friend to be so generous - I suppose the best thing you can do is to spread the word.

Luis I read this and thought of you - I hope you haven't got quite this bad yet. I think I'm heading that way...

Chasing enjoy your and mini-pamper.

Brockle I got J's in a couple of weeks but that was December, it might take three weeks this time of year. You don't need the passport to make the booking. I recommend applying for passports in plenty of time if you can as I had DS2's turned down once because they said the photos were too light. I sent DS1's on Tuesday so I could see how long it takes to get it back.

I did O's in feb Brockle it took 2 weeks, and that included them sending me a letter telling me I was a twat for not sending his birth certificate I didn't know they needed it, and I was sleep deprived okay?!. It will take a little longer at this time of year I would think. And no, you can book minus passports.

Chez Detective is falling apart today. So fucking tired. The most sleep I had in one stretch last night to be honest, the most sleep I even got at all was 1.5 hours. O had 26. Yes. 26 transfer fails.

It was horrific. I don't know what to do any more. He goes to sleep in arms, and in pram (although waking frequently) but the minute he is put in the cot he wakes up instantly and goes mental.

At wits end.

And both me and DP tried feeding him. He wasn't waking for feeds. He was just waking.

Am going to attempt to remove him from the pram now and put him in the cot for his nap.

We will fix this. We have to.

He is now in the cot. Woke when picked up, and shuffled when put down, but at the minute, he's asleep.

I'm wondering if the fact we've propped the cot slightly has made him not want to be in there? Is it his swaddle - his new one comes today thank fuck. Is is the new formula? Is it his food? Is it reflux.

So many questions. And no answers.

Det it sounds like the 6 month sleep regression - for 12 nights Jonas seemed to forget how to join sleep cycles together and woke squeaking grumpily after each one. Every time we put him down - bing he'd wake. We took it in two 4.5 hour shifts in the end. We just cuddled him, shushed him, rocked him, fed him, soothed him swore a bit swore a lot despaired we'd ever sleep again and eventually with me sleeping in another room so he couldn't smell milk he's fixed and actually sleeping much better than before. He goes in his own room tonight as the blinds are up - eeek

Given how well O was sleeping - I bet after this he'll be sleeping through. We still have one night feed at 5-6am but I'm happy with that as it makes my boobs more comfy and I sleep better after it. Just get through it however you can. Its a developmental change in his brain not them trying to piss us off though they do a good impression of that.

thanks ladies. second QQ: would you stay in heathrow overnight 9 until 6 to save nearly 200 pounds or would you pay the extra for an easy flight?

y is also being awful sleepwise detective . he will only nap on sofa and has forgotten how to self settle he is 23 weeks.

Brockle, Det Jonas still seems to be relearning self soothing when napping. He can manage it at night again but daytime naps - even in the buggy or on me he's stirring every 20 minutes or so or at any loud noise. DH is going to attempt to implement cot naps tomorrow! I'll be so chuffed if he cracks it

Okay, okay, you have calmed me down! Please tell me he won't do this again when he actually makes it to 6 months?!!

I keep thinking it is something I've done wrong! It just feels like russian roulette with the odds stacked firmly against me!

I never know when to go to bed any more, as he wakes so often, I don't know where his long stretch is! It also seems the second we are in bed, he wakes. It isn't just me, DP confirmed this with me last night. We go up, get in bed quietly, and he wakes. Even when he's been in deep sleep.

I'm being driven crackers!

I am also raging at Amazon. I've been holding out in desperation for this new swaddle to arrive.

Got an email half an hour ago. It isn't coming til Monday.

Rage doesn't really cover it. Don't mess with a sleep deprived mother.....

I paid 8 fucking quid for next day delivery. Fucking cunts.

I'd pay the extra if I could Brockle. Or a train? Or hotel?

I think the Amazon guy I am ranting to must think I am a fruitloop.

When you have a baby that won't sleep with out something, you would do anything.

You can't get them in shops FFS. I need the fucking swaddle! I've told DP to buy velcro and I'll sew his swaddle up.

my worry at the mo is that ds2 self settled at 6 weeks until he was 6 months old and never self settled/slept through again. he is nearly 5 and we still have issues. I really don't want to fuck it up again

I did not persist and cos I was working I let him sleep with us if he woke. worst. decision. ever. this time I am trying to persist but its bloody hard.

incidentally ds2 has had the habit ofsticking his hand in my bra since he was a year old. he used to do it when we were having a cuddle or sleeping. It has taken us five years to nip that one in the bud. I think it is a breastfeeding closeness thing but i ignored DH about stopping him when he was really little and he's only just stopped doing it. so breastfeeders beware. I am very embarassed about this. I asked him once why he does it and he said "because its soft"

Boobs are great for cuddling .

Gawdddddd.... kids. Why do we do this again?! Please remind me!

Off to get awake baby up....

Bedtime routine detective? Sleep regression here too. Remember your boy was well overdue so by adjusted dates he is right there. It also takes a while to get used to a new formula, but I think it is the 6 month thing. It will get better. J was marginally better last night, but has yet to sleep today. Well, he was asleep but my mother woke him. Grr.