Dec 08 mums - any more for any more?

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Nice story Arti. How did you remember all those timings! I especially loved the ending
You should have punched that midwife in the face. Clearly the type I despise.
Congrats again!

Oh God ZJ I missed that in your post.... YES! Hilarious! Friends is my all time favorite show!

Car on the way to recovery DH has sourced new doors from a braker to keep costs down, saving 750 there, plus taken the trim off himself and refurbished it (which car guy said impossible to remove without damaging, but dh used the kettle and steamed them off) and saved another 190 quid in trim. V pleased with his skills.

Thanks Arti, that was lovely. Well done you. Does me a little bit tempted. But wanting to give birth again is not really a reason to have a child.

By the by, the shaky, shock feeling is quite normal. I didn't have it with DS1 but I definitely had it with ds2. The midwife anticipated it and sorted me out by wrapping me up and getting me comfortable and drinking some (more) hot sweet tea. As to the not checking & not offering the epidural in the midwifes defence she may been concerned that either could slow your labour again as both an internal & epidural can slow things down. Indith will know more about this than moi.

Just to clarify...I am not midwife bashing (particularly) -although my thoughts on the highhanded ones are fairly well documented. Only curious whether Arti was glad she didn't have the epi she wanted in the end, on balance; or whether she wasn't. Hope you're getting some rest Arti xxx

Nor am I. That is all.

I quite like giving birth. It's the sodding pregnancy I hate.

With you there, Kayz....

I'd love to be pregnant again (with DD1) and give birth again (with DD2), but not sure if we want DC3. Maybe surrogacy is my solution?!

My friend is 9 weeks with her second surrogate pregnancy. She's amazing I think.

I think we will definitely have a 4th in the next few years. (If we ever move)

If I had to repeat any of my labours it would be DD2's. It was long but I had an epidural at 4cm and everything was calm. The epidural worked perfectly and was then let to ware off a little so I could feel something to push. Three pushes and there she was without any intense pain. I felt in control then. Yesterday I was scared beyond anything, I felt out of control and actually thought I would die of pain. Yes there is a teeny part of me that now feels a frisson of amazement that I pushed out a baby without even a whiff of gas and air but I would never wish to do it like that again.

I think my midwives were totally caught off guard. They were both lovely and afterwards kept saying how unexpected it was, how unptepared my cervix had felt at midnight, how long my previous labours were. They both apologised about the lack of epidural and I appreciated that.

Urgh. Shot my mouth off and offended again. I'm sure the midwife was making the best decisions for your situation at the time Arti.
More importantly, that little boy is mega cute and healthy. And you are well. Job well done all round.

Arti I LOVE your birth story. Actually I think maybe I just love the way you wrote it as it sounds terrifying. Thanks for sharing it. And he's so cute!

Rubes you crack me up. I think we've been here long enough that we know your opinions on midwives and no one shall be offended.

What do you mean Summer? I heart midwives they're lovely. All those I've met have been so supportive of everyones birthing choices. bahhahaha [sarcasm font off]

Hee hee! Must say, I've always had lovely midwives [smug]. Well,not really smug, just lucky! Even the one who didn't examine me with DD2 was absolutely sweet and when I started trying to poo DD2 out into the loo, she squawked that she wasn't ready and shot off to get stuff, whilst telling DH to get me off the loo and onto the bed. In retrospect it was funny. Even at the time I could manage to find it amusing, despite being in the zone!

Yawn. Keen to go back to bed.

Arti - thanks so much for posting that.

Evening ladies. Man, I am tired. But if I don't squeeze out some sorta catch up now I don't know when I will be able to do it!

Rubes, even you cannot write off every single midwife on Planet Earth because I shan't let you. The ones who looked after me postnatally (for eg) were almost all extremely nice. It's just those bloody awful judgey ones who can cock right off. And the crap ones.

Indith, I hope you are not offended as I am sure neither category is going to be something for you to worry about

I think your nipper's name goes so beautifully with your DDs' names, Arti. I hope you are feeling ok. How are the girls? I hope the nanny is being helpful.

Come one Vag, don't keep us in suspenders re: your thoughts on a No. 3! You aren't too old! I don't think I am too old, anyway, and you're the same as me. I am still vacillating, though.

Beans and Jam: how are you feeling? I am watching you both very closely

Beans - how was the weekend in the end? Did your elder sister go? Was anything said? I am glad you have a local pal or two, I have got some really nice ones now.

DB - now what are your worried about DS? Not pre-school crapping on again? Grrrr.

Rubes - you asked me about Spain - we're off in mid-June, nr Girona for a couple of days followed by a couple of days in Barcelona. It's only a Sat-Wed but I am really excited. When/where is your Spain trip? Meant to say, your DH worked wonders on the car. Clever fellow. Will DD go to DS's school?

When is your Italy trip, Hons? On a train? Do tell all.

PD - that sounds like an interesting endeavour, to drive to Czech. Tell me more! My DP would love that. We're in Poland for a week in Aug at a wedding in Krakow and want to travel a bit when there. I am going to persuade DP to drive into Ukraine as I have never been Or that is the plan. Italian is going quite well - there are about 6 of us and our teacher is brilliant. I feel no special hurry to get over there to start testing my skills, though. Perhaps next year. What a sweet note for your DD to write. How is DS at school now? Is DD going to the same one?

Sybs - how are you? You never say! How is work?

Kayz - I will FB message you about building up your credit score when I get a mo. Try not to despair. What is DD doing lately? Is she different to your DSes?

ZJ, I have some choice asparagus in my fridge, which always makes me think of you and your DH. Any more trips to London in the offing?

Pingu - are you still in Florida?? How are things?

Oh yes, Spot - re: teeth - my dentist SIL says wrap them in a towel if necessary, so they can't struggle. I guess she says that as she has had to do extractions on really little kids My Mum used to make up adventure stories about the germs in my mouth, but only if I opened my mouth...Keep up with the job applications. It's all about irons in the fire.....

So DP has finished his trial and has no work to speak of until November, at the moment. Bit of a worry....I am off to a judge's dinner on Saturday so will have lots of patronising idiots saying to me "And how are the children?" in the voice of, and in the manner of, the Duke of Edinburgh. And that's if they talk to me at all. MIL is coming tomorrow for the weekend....We have had most of the trees and bushes in the garden cut down and the garden looks mad because before it was basically ALL trees and bushes. The girls are super, although DD2 is still lashing out a lot. I am tearing my hair out trying to sort out the cricketers, as usual. It's that time of year...

And I still want to lose more weight. I've been stalled for ages, though I look a bit more toned because of those long country walks (usually up a hill, with a buggy)...Yikes, it's time for bed. Well, that was a catch up of sorts, wasn't it?

Thanks Lady.

DD is screaming a lot at the minute. She has started to have little tantrums if we say no or move her away from something. She screams and flaps her arms. She has gone back to not sleeping in the cot. She screams and screams at DH if he tries to get her to go to sleep. We are trying to give her a bottle tonight in the hope she might actually sleep.

I don't remember the boys being as stroppy or highly strung as she is.

I am getting a few hours of sleep and then waking up early unable to drop off again. Hence the time of this post.

Ooh blimey, that does sound hard. You must be shattered. Only thing I can say is.....it doesn't last forever. Waking up early then not being able to get off again is particularly vile. Hope things improve a bit soon.

What's everybody doing for half term? And what holidays does everyone have planned? My own trips aren't enough, I need to live vicariously through yours too. Half term I'm off to Mum's though (well, after spending the Bank Holiday weekend at home).

For our Poland trip, as well as going into Ukraine I need to ask whether we can drive into Slovakia as well through the Carpathian mountains. I have been to Slovakia but not to that bit. He really likes driving abroad but at the same time he finds it tiring. Also, apparently Polish roads are shocking and that scares me.

I am off to Blenheim Palace this morn. A little group of us go most Fridays and do a circuit as one of our walks. It's only 7 or 8k though.

DH goes back to work on the 26th, so expecting less sleep. Part of me thinks bugger it I'll just keep her in our bed but then she really does need to learn to sleep in the cot.

Oh Kayz, that is tough. I'd stick with her sleeping in her cot if that's your ultimate aim but, frankly, if you're in need of sleep, do what works best!

Lady, great catch up! All went well down in Kent. My eldest sister did come and Mum gave her a bit of a bollocking on the phone, so she was there on time. No one said anything when she arrived, as always. We're all so weedy at confrontation! But she was very nice once she's relaxed. I just find it so odd to be so detached from my own family.

We're off to the Czech Republic next week. It's all go. Flying from stansted, which is 25mins from us. If anyone needs a bed the night before they fly from there, please let me know!

Ooh, ZJ, I had asparagus last night too. Yummy! I'm mad about them at the mo; buy some in every shop I do!

Beans, she just screams in the cot. Last time we tried she cried on and off until 3am. She sleeps in the happily during the day and from 7pm until we go to bed. Then she just refuses.

Kayz that's tough getting so little sleep. DS was shocking, but he got there in the end although I did need to get tough.

Yes pre school have organised a meeting for July with the school HT and his reception class teacher to talk about what a shit challenge DS can be. Basically he meets every target you would expect except his 'Social & Emotional Development'. I'm just pissed off that before the school get to meet him they get the opinions of the nursery who have not handled him or the whole situ well. Anyway I'm currently working in an email on my thoughts which I will email to both Nursery manager and HT prior to the meeting. Everyone has there opinion in DS they can bloody well have mine; on him on them!!

'Their'. Frantic phone posting does not make a well written post!! Apologies

Yes Lady, I'm only speaking of my own personal experiences. I had several different midwives with both pregnancies as we moved during both. All had the same attitude. But I'm getting anxious just reliving it so would rather discontinue the subject.
We are going to Spain (Gaucin / Ronda area) middle week of July. Cannot wait. But 7 weeks to get Bikini ready and am far from that. Emergency plan may have to go into action soon
Yes DD will go to same school as DS hopefully until we move again. Cannot believe that a year from Sept I will have both full time at school. Will be stuck in helping dh full time then, so will work out well.
Yes dh done well with trying to keep car costs down. Labour and paint etc will be the same price, but have saved a great deal not having to buy new doors. It's booked in for Monday which may be tricky as I'm away, dcs go to nursery, and car needs to be dropped off early, plus dh has to be in court in London that day but really want to get the car sorted. It pains me to look at what I did so stupidly, and such bad timing with a massive tax bill looming.

Kayz. it's true, it does get better. I stuck with the hard core approach with dd, and broke the back of the sleep issue after (not kidding) about 4 weeks solid of mainly ignoring her (after checking she was safe) But if impossible, do what you need for your sanity. You must remember me and my desperate cries of no sleep with dd? DS was an angel sleeper, so when dd came along and woke twice a night at least until she was 2.3 years, I was broken.

Deids, Very good idea. You are doing the right thing. Not only will writing it down make you feel better in yourself about it all, I think it's important that someone is fighting his / your corner and sticking up for him a bit. It's sad to think that an inaccurate "handover" or one sided view will be relayed to the school he will be at for years to come. Not fair on you both. Glad you are doing that.