November 2012 - GTbaby is back! Hooray hooray!

[StuntNun]

And she only missed 10,000 posts!

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1717592-November-2012-Were-ready-for-Spring-any-time-now-please

Well a lovely day, until P had time with N. I'm just getting fed up, of P. sorry to moan, but a wall would be more useful.

Evil

Excellent Pidj! Have you tried the dummy before? What have his previous reactions been like?!

Pennie I ordered this one in black in desperation! I hope it looks okay!

fatima it sounds as though you've absolutely made the right decision. You could ask what if, what if, until the cows come home - but what if you kept the sperm, only to fail to get any eggs? Or what if it wasn't meant to be, and you spent thousands and went through unspeakable heartbreak, just because you felt you had to use it? Or what if, when you ttc number 2, it works straight away - then what do you do with the sperm? Or what if, number 2 rocks up in the traditional way (!) as a little miracle?

Sorry, garbling, but hope you get my drift!

pass glad you're not worried. It's good they are taking your concerns seriously.

E pulled her tube out today so had to squeeze an unplanned trip to the hospital into a busy afternoon. DD1 was so awfully behaved after about 4pm that I had to put her to bed at 6:30pm. So have actually had a nice peaceful evening. Had a lovely soak in the bath and now snuggling on the sofa with E. unfortunately the downside of dealing with DD1 was E was left to sleep till 6:30 so she's awake. Is dropping off on boob now so hopefully won't be long before she's in bed too. Although she's a bloody saint compared to DD1. I'm not enjoying the toddler years at the moment. I'm starting to question whether I want a third.

Yes, Fatima. What BP said.

From what you have said, you have a good chance of the embryo being successful, and if it is not, your DH having sperm in the future.

Would it be possible to have regular tests to see if it's getting any lower? I have no idea. Then if you found it was, freeze that sperm?

Sorry crossed posts fatima. It sounds like you've really thought it through and not taken the decision lightly. Glad it's helped to write it down. I think you summed it up perfectly at the end. This batch of frozen sperm did what it was intended to do. No need to shell out money that you don't have on keeping it when you have other options and are unlikely to need it in the future.

Our best friends have a 13 year old, and a 5 year old. 13 year old was conceived by accident when she was 16 and he was 28. When their dd was 4 they started trying for a 2nd. After 3 years and not even a sniff of a bfp, they had tests and found he had low sperm count. Literally the week before they had an appointment for IVF, they got a bfp - little miracle baby now a proper little pest

fatima you have obviously given this a great deal of thought and have experience that few of us have had. For what it's worth I think you are doing the right thing. You have to think of the here and now. It might be different if you didn't have the frozen embryo but you do.

Sounds pretty tiring eliza. Is DD1 more badly behaved when E needs something? Or is she just having wee terror times? I must say, I look at P sometimes and I can see her as a toddler - it's not always pretty. DH even said one day "oh god, she's going to be a fucking nightmare"

That's a good suggestion det. It is so frustrating to have a wonderfully sleeping baby but lie there listening to every shuffle and sniff. Every day DH says as he leaves "maybe you will be able to get a wee snooze later". I wish I could! I open my eyes every 5 minutes expecting to see her waken. If I do fall asleep she wakes much earlier than expected. Ah well.

Oh mm I CANNOT believe that is another car damaged! At least it was your hire car.

How is LO today PR?

Fatima I'm guessing the only niggle is what if a) your embryo 2 doesn't make it and b) you decide to go for ICSI again and c) your DH's sperm count is 0 then, although there are no signs of this yet. That's several things that need to all happen at once and £250 is a lot of money every couple of years. But I guess only you can decide how much it means to you whether your DH's sperm is used if all of those things do happen. Is Detective's idea about regular testing feasible?

Eliza how old is your toddler? DS1 was particularly stroppy at 2.5(ish), I think because his language was developing at a huge rate. I'd love to say it's stopped but that wouldn't be true, but he's turning into a proper little person at 3 and has truly lovely and unintentionally funny moments in amongst some terrible ones!

Jumperoo wannabes Smyths toys have a code EASTER20 that reduced the price to £58 for the Discover and Grow version.

Evening everyone :)

I've been MIA for a few days but I'm back, couldn't miss out on saying hello to GTbaby now could I?

to everyone else too I flipping love this quiche, which is dd because can't stand the RL eggy stuff!

I'm ok here, J is fine, he is still bfing like it's going out of fashion, I have introduced a dummy at night time to save my poor nipples, he doesn't want or need milk so he wont latch properly he just sucks on the end causing me to be sore s he gets plugged with the dummy after his big feed at 8pm now (evil mummy)

Now all I need to crack is getting my bed back, I love him and his squishy cuddles but he has very scratchy toe nails and I am such a squirmy sleeper I wake him up and the he wakes me up, in the few nights he's been in the cot he's slept through, it's getting him there that's the challenge!

Half term not going too badly here, I have't killed them yet, although it's only been 2 days. Next Monday eldest DS will be admitted to the hospital for 2 days of inpatient iv antibiotics then he'll come home and I'll do them for the rest of the course, it's bloody exhausting work but I can't stay in the hospital for 2 weeks, it's taken a fight to let me eep J with me up there for 2 nights as it is.

Pass she has been fine today, thank you. A little fussy at times though that could be because she kept getting woken up by DD1. Maybe the Dr cleaning her ears yesterday helped? Or maybe it was something else entirely and whatever it is has passed. Who knows? :)

Fatima I have no advice but what you have decided seems logical. Isn't it incredible what they can do?

Eliza you are not alone with a naughty toddler. Am in awe of you getting yours to bed at 6.30 though. I would LOVE to be able to do that.

Hi fatima. I love dummies! I never thought I would say that but I do.

I remember being a bit naughty one day as a child. I don't remember what I did but I got very mucky. My mum gave me a telling off and told me to get changed. I vividly remember getting into my nighty thinking that this was an odd punishment. My mum eventually came through to find my all snuggled in bed. Then when I was about 8 maybe my mum said that it was time we had a bedtime and that this would be 9pm. I started to cry a bit so she said that it could be later some nights. I ended up sniffingly asking "but can I go to bed earlier if I want?"

Fingers crossed P is like her mummy!

fatima your logic is logical, and is the decision I would make I think. One thing I would say is be sure to enjoy the baby you have without worrying too much about if they will have a sibling.

I was told I could not have kids when I was 26. I now have 3 little miracles so it does happen. Before we got married we had agreed to try naturally for a specific length of time before we went for assisted conception. If that were unsuccessful, which it was sure to be, we would try for adoption, if unsuccessful, then we would foster. We never dreamed we would get a BFP on the second cycle of trying. I never quite believed it until I held her in my arms. We decided we would be happy being a little family of 3, but hope for a sibling. Little Boo arrived 3 years later. We then thought we would try for a third, as we were clearly on a roll but my heart was breaking with each negative test. We decided to be happy as a family of 4 and stop hoping. And you all know what happened next!

Thank you all for reading, all your comments make sense.
I have suggested to DH that he looks at getting another semen analysis at some point.
Fingers crossed the FET would work but if it didn't we'd deal with that when it comes to it, either by having more ICSI, using donor sperm or just making do with one.

It is incredible, I look at M and can't believe that the IVF process made her possible.

I'm going in to work with M tomorrow, hoping to discuss going part time as well. FIngers crossed.

Sorry crossed post, thank you VQ for sharing your story of your little miracles I want to enjoy every little moment just in case she is an only one. But who knows what the future holds

Sounds like you have worked it out fatima and your logic seems sound. I have little experience of anything like this other than I was told at 15/16 it was unlikely I would ever get pregnant, then as soon as I started being strict with taking the pill properly I fell preggers with M. Miracles do happen and doctors do get it very wrong [busmile]

Pass if it wasn't so damned expensive it would be funny. I haven't had so much as a scrape in the 4 years I have been driving my mums wingmirror doesn't count and now 3 bumps in 5 weeks?! FFS. I am dreading my insurance premium next year. The twunt is trying to blame me. Yes I did hit him, but he drove off his driveway into my path, there was no way I could miss him! The insurance companies can argue it out between them. DP and his boat crew think it's hilarious - I have told him he can drive me everywhere from now on!

YW just to stress before I drive you to Glasgow next week - NONE of the above accidents were my fault!!

I think he would have left me had I been in the new car [bublush]

I had just run a lovely waaaay too hot bath when the boob-hungry sleep-dodger awoke and demanded my attention. Luckily the bath was still too hot when she'd done feeding. I'm sure a lot of it is comfort though, but she won't take a dummy, and if her hands stray mouth-wards, they're too exciting to sleep through so the cycle begins again.

Anyway, she's in bed now on her front as is dp, so I shall head off too. Finished my book whilst I was feeding her, first book I've finished in years - it feels rather good!

Good luck to all those with fellow sleep dodgers xx

She's 3.3. She's generally a good kid, and always been very easy to get to bed thank god. I can cope with a lot knowing that come 7:30 she's tucked up in bed for a full 12 hours. It seems lately she is having trouble keeping her anger under control. She flies off the handle at the stupidest of things and finds it hard to calm down. She has never ever taken her anger out on E and adores her but the other day she pulled her tube and she hit her today. Only a tap so it didn't hurt E but the principle was the same. She's had a tough time lately with me being in hospital for so long and don't think it helped that we've been away twice in a short space of time. It's all been a bit much for her. She needs some normality but unfortunately instead we have 2 weeks of no pre school or classes so I think I'm in for a tough few weeks. I need to try and keep calm too as I've turned into a shouty parent which I absolutely hate. We just seem to spend a lot of time winding each other up at the moment and its just not very nice. I think today was a particularly bad, I hope tomorrow is better.

Thanks VQ pass and pidj for your soothing words about formula. I haven't done it yet, but I am going to get a couple of cartons when I go shopping tomorrow and then I can use it if I need to.

Fatima I think you are making the right decision, and it sounds like you've considered it from all angles and made an informed choice.

MM :( for another crash, but have you considered buying a hi-viz car?!

Eliza DD1 (2.3) is delightful but pretty challenging at the moment. I am also constantly changing my mind about wanting a third. One the one hand I am not enjoying the newborn stage and I frequently reach screaming pitch with the toddler, but on the other hand they are small for such a short time so perhaps it would worth the short term pain! I would definitely have a bigger age gap if I did go for it though.

stunt we got our dogs when DD1 was 4 months old. It was ok, except for one being a bit of a barker and so waking her from naps. They are great friends now, and it was definitely better having them house trained before DD1 was moving!

pidj hope the dummy is the miracle cure you need :)

Can you describe it MM? Arghhhh, it could be one of those claims that take fucking ages to sort :(

Eliza last post before bed dsd has an angry temparament generally - on her angriest days, Daddy takes his glasses off, and she has the roughest of rough and tumbles, knowing that she can't hurt him, and gets all her frustration and pent up energy out in a controlled, fun way. The alternative is to do what I did yesterday and take her out on a long, long, long walk. She prefers to fight ladylike

At least I've eaten.

[busad]

Speaking of which, how'd it go, chasing?

J asleep. I'm heading up to bed.