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StuntNun · 01/04/2013 17:48

And she only missed 10,000 posts!

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1717592-November-2012-Were-ready-for-Spring-any-time-now-please

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MissMummy1 · 06/04/2013 07:42

Highchairs:

I really wanted a tripp trapp one. In the end bought and fell in live with, saddo a wooden ikea one. It's £45 and bright red. The tray pops off to go in the dishwasher and it can be used without the tray against the table. I am sure the bars come off when they get older to use it as a toddler seat too! Will pop a pic on fb.

DP is taking M on her first ever daddy-daughter shopping trip this morning, armed with a bottle of EBM and the mothercare my3 (apparenly now 'his wheels') Hmm . What to do with myself for a couple of hours?!

Lily311 · 06/04/2013 07:49

sophia my sister tells her kids that they are invisibke when not behaving properly. She carries on doing things not talking to them until they stop screaming, demanding, etc. Her 7 and 5 year old are very well behaved, her 3 year old has started to get the message too.

Lily311 · 06/04/2013 07:50

mm run yourself a bath, get the papers with some croissants and enjoy. Or go back to bed.

StuntNun · 06/04/2013 08:02

Sophia this book is a systematic approach to managing children's behaviour. There is also a parenting course based on the techniques in the book. It was recommended to us by our social worker because DS1 has ADHD and ASD so his behaviour lags behind his age and he has other issues such as impulse control and meltdowns (which are basically tantrums). We use it on both boys and I can honestly say it transformed their behaviour. I could wander round Tesco with my perfectly behaved little boys feeling very smug about myself after applying these techniques. It also gives you a framework to use. I find that DH tends to get 'creative' with punishments so the boys might get their pocket money stopped or a favourite toy taken away. This gives you a system so that in the heat of the moment you don't react inappropriately, you just follow the system.

The first thing the system focuses on is play and how to play properly with your child without directing their play or forcing them to do things your way. It seems like an unnecessary part of behavioural management but it's actually important not to skip over it. We do two ten-minute sessions of 'special time' with the boys every week. During special time they get to decide what you do with them and it does not get interrupted to the point that if the phone rings you don't answer it. Once ten minutes is up special time is over, you can keep playing with then but you don't have to. Our boys love it because they are guaranteed parental attention and they get to be in control of the play. In terms of quality time with your children I think special time gives the most reward for very little time input. It makes them feel important to you.

The system uses positive praise and a reward system (star chart) to encourage good behaviour. It also starts small. In the supermarket example you might give a star for the child staying in your sight all the time rather than for 'good behaviour'. A toddler doesn't know what good behaviour is, they might think they've been good because they wanted to behave but in fact they've been a holy terror. So by giving very specific targets you can rapidly improve their behaviour over time.

The system of punishments is based on time out, one minute for each year of their age up to a maximum of five minutes. First you warn, then if they continue they get a time out. You also have consequences, e.g. If you don't eat your dinner then you will be hungry.

I have tried to summarise the system here but the book goes into a lot of detail and has troubleshooting sections for specific types of behaviour. Our biggest problem is getting the boys to get dressed and we have used a few different methods to work on that, the most effective one was a timer. If they got dressed faster than the previous day they got one star, if they got dressed in less than five minutes they got two stars. Stars can be traded in for rewards, e.g. fifteen stars for a game of monopoly.

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Clarella · 06/04/2013 08:12

lol yes wot pidj said.

total blank, still face for the tantrums and when you deal with negative behaviour. ott expressions of delight when good behaviour. label the behaviours not the child ie don't say 'naughty boy' but aim for positive eg kind hands please, oh those are lovely kind hands. they thrive on no and don't do that. and distract distract distract....but, this is being typed from the comfort of my bed with sleepy baby attached to boob and sun streaming in the window. I know it's a whole other story in the thick of it.

after melt down and when all is settled it can be helpful to have a nice positive chat about what happened but I don't know how that works with a 2 yo....

Clarella · 06/04/2013 08:17

oh yes that's how we run our classroom stunt. I've come across that book before.

the only thing I'd base any of it on is how self aware the child is and also if they're a bit poorly they might regress to an earlier stage and really not have a clue what they're doing.

Clarella · 06/04/2013 08:25

checking bold

StuntNun · 06/04/2013 08:30

I sometimes find it easier to follow the thread on Safari then type my posts on the MN app. It's easier to read on Safari and then you can type your post up bit by bit on the app, switching back to Safari to keep reading. Hope that makes sense I'm seriously tired today and not quite together.

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TheDetective · 06/04/2013 08:34

I wish O would drop a bloody feed at night. 2 and 6 again. Grrrrr. The 6 one is most frustrating as he is up not so long after.

Doesn't matter how many feeds I get in during the day, we've had 3 weeks of 2 and 6am feeds.

Sounds ok and I suppose it is if those are the only wakenings (not always grrrrrr) but really he has slept through once, and had done a few nights going til 4-5-6ish meaning just 1 night feed.

I'm really finding it hard now.

Clarella · 06/04/2013 08:36

(see I got the app now innit)

As stunt says being specific about what behaviour is good/ not so good is a big factor. to clarify a bit, 'no' (to a behaviour) and 'don't do that' are not specific. I'll stop spamming the thread now.

Clarella · 06/04/2013 08:40

that thought had just popped into my head stunt - telepathically tuned today... though I had an image of you on a safari with zebras and elephants initially.... I've got a Samsung Grin

god this is so much faster. I've been hobbling along for a year the old way!

StuntNun · 06/04/2013 08:51

Detective when is O's next feed after the six o'clock one? J just went from 4 to 8.30 between feeds and he wasn't that hungry at the 8.30 one which makes me think he doesn't really need the 4 a.m. feed, he should be able to stretch from 1 a.m. to a bit later. Have you considered GF's method of diluting feeds, i.e. adding a scoop less of formula to the 6 a.m. feed over time until he's just getting water in the hope he will drop that feed?

Chasing how are things with you today? Hope you're feeling okay.

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ValiumQueen · 06/04/2013 08:58

I agree stunt it is easier to read on safari. Might try that.

Detective I have said before that 6am is morning. If I did not think that then I could say I have not had a full nights sleep for 7 years, which would just depress me. When it became clear that my children were early wakers, I changed my view, and my lifestyle to fit in. When I used to work from 7 each day, it was a very easy thing to do.

J woke at 2.30 and 5. This was after a 7.15 bedtime as he was shattered. He has a cough and cold bless him.

fruitpastilles · 06/04/2013 09:08

Yes, I agree that 6am is morning also. I used to get up for work at 5am anyway so it's kind of tuned into me to get up early, I also go to bed early, which I am sooooo thankful for when S decides to wake in the night.

Brockle · 06/04/2013 09:15

it was a shock to my system with ds1 when I realised his morning started at six. he is seven and is never up later than seven. 6am may just be his wake up time for the day.

6am is definitely morning for me. we may snooze after that but it is morning. it took me a good few months to adjust but you do Smile

Passmethecrisps · 06/04/2013 09:26

Maybe det if you got him up and started the day at 6am he would sleep through? Would that be better? A solid night with an early start?

Passmethecrisps · 06/04/2013 09:30

I need quiche thoughts on day sleep-wear. Currently P sleeps at night in her swaddle with a cellular blanket over her feet and in a 2.5 tog sleeping bag for during the day. Yesterday her room was like a furness but trying to get her to sleep with no sleeping bag was a trauma - she is obviously Little Miss Sleep Association. What do your babies all sleep in dring the day?

fruitpastilles · 06/04/2013 10:06

pass S just sleeps in her clothes in the day, I don't put her in her cot for naps though, she just falls asleep wherever she is. If I did put her in her cot though I'd put her in her sleeping bag as this is what she sleeps in of a night so she would be used to it.

BigPigLittlePig · 06/04/2013 10:15

Thank fuck for Gaviscon and pass with her muck-spreader That is all.

8-3.30-6-8.30

I feel renewed. F is like a new baby, and smiling. And it is sunny. The bedding is drying on the line and we're off to the beach for a picnic.

Elizadoesdolittle · 06/04/2013 10:41

pass at the moment E tends to sleep out and about and if she does nap at home she just has a cellular blanket. With DD1 though I used to put her in a 1.0tog sleeping bag and will do with E when we are in a bit more of a routine...if ever!

Kyzordz · 06/04/2013 10:51

pass e has a fleece blanket for the day, gro bag at night :)

Yaaaay bplp

I honestly never thought of reading in safari and then posting with the app! Maybe that way I won't miss people out! I'm gonna try that from now!

E has had an awful cough this morning :( seems ok otherwise though

Pikz · 06/04/2013 10:56

6 is morning here too. He usually wakes Between 6 and 6.30.

Kyzordz · 06/04/2013 11:04

Aha, the app! Here I go!

Sorry to hear that fatima, hope he finds something else soon

Sorry to read of all the bad nights too Hmm

Enjoy your few hours mm1

sophia I think everyone else has the behaviour advice covered! :)

Hope he drops a feed soon det perhaps he's making up for the time he was only taking small feeds? E still feeds at 6-7am but I've accepted that as morning. He feeds at 6-7 in the evening, dream feed at 10-10:30 then goes till 6-7, which is something a can live with! I will feed anytime he wakes from 6 but not before. What happens if you try to put him off at 2am? Or give an oz less for a few nights at a time, gradually reducing it? It's the 2am one I'd get rid of first personally but i'm horrid when living on broken sleep

I think i'm all caught up!!!

Kyzordz · 06/04/2013 11:05

That face should've been a :( one after bad nights! Silly fucking cunting app!

Kyzordz · 06/04/2013 12:59

That's it, I've posted too much and scared you all away! Wink