November 2012 - The thread where it all starts to get easier. Pretty please?

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1703340-November-2012-Four-months-Oh-no-the-dreaded-sleep-regression

PR your plan sounds like a good one. Is she old enough to have any input into how her room is set up etc? Apologies. I can't remember how old she is.

Does she have playtime etc in her bedroom? Does she see it as a good place?

I agree with you that the sleeping in her own bed should not be threatened as a punishment. Doesn't send out the right signals.

I think you were going to use her birthday as a milestone? Can you make a big deal about her being a big girl now etc?

Sorry if all this is crap, I have no experience of toddlers at all.

fairmum that is what I did tuesday night, but didn't see the consultant on call, with it being night time, obviously they weren't on site.

Now he seems much better, so no point in going to A&E unless further deterioration. But its no fucking thanks to any medical professional, but rather me pissing about with different things to find a solution.

She happily plays in her bedroom, just won't sleep there. She'll be two next week, so I accept she still is a baby really. But I really need to sleep, she really needs to sleep properly, and I want our evenings back. At the moment DH comes in from work, we eat, then it's short play, and one of us off to bed with her and that's it. And after a day at home with them I really want some proper adult conversation in the evenings, even if it is just slobbing in front of the TV.

I have, since January, finally got her to nap on her own, but in my bed. At weekends it's harder as she wants daddy to nap too, but I send him out the front door for a fag and tell her he has gone to work and will be back after her nap. That works.

No way cutting out the afternoon nap will work - tried that andnshe turns into a devil child in the evening and won't go anywhere near sleep til very late. She needs that after lunch nap.

Could you start off with trying the daytime nap in her bed?

I completely understand about evenings. At the moment, DP gets home, plays with O while I make dinner and night feeds, then its bath and bed for O. At the moment we are so tired at least one of us goes to bed when O does. I often get no adult conversation in my day and I am sure that has something to do with my depression returning.

Scrap that! Just seen one! He just grabbed his foot for the first time!

He's currently on the play gym beating the crap out of it, the bars have fell over and he's pulled all the toys off!

Can you put her to sleep in your bed, but then lift her out in to her own bed?

contra you ave to do what suits you. I like routine so it figures really. However all of mine have slept through, dream feed aside at 8,9,10 and 8 weeks respectively.

A common complaint is that people say you are a save to the routine, you can't go out. Granted if you are going to do it it is best to stay at home a week to get in in place, but thereafter I feel more flexible. I know what I need to take with me because I know when he will feed, I can plan stuff for over the big lunchtime sleep, I get everywhere on time because I know what is happening and I get no surprises, in the main.

As I said there is advice for what to do if it goes wrong, eg at the mo Oliver will not sleep a two hour stretch at lunch time for some reason if we are at home, so on those days, like now, I get him up, let him okay, he has his milk at two then gets back down for a bit afterwards. He can then get through till 6:45 ish.

I have to say after having four you don't have all the answers as they are all different but with each one you just get a bit more confident about trying different stuff. And you know they all grow up in the end.

And leave home.

We have tried that but then she either wakes up during the transfer or stirs once in her own bed and screams until we bring her back. But more often than not she wakes up being carried through to her own room. Since we moved in August she has not gone to sleep in her own room once, and a successful transfer and full night in her own bed has happened maybe four or five times.

Since she came back from hospital we've not tried, as she was really disturbed by her illness, but that was now over two months ago...

I will start with the daytime nap in her own bed. Then maybe make DH come home from work even later than usual a few nghts so that I can get her to try evenings too. When he went out on a work do a few weeks ago she was in bed by 8 and asleep by 9, on her own. I just had to go back every five then ten minutes. She was quite happy with that. She turns into a monster when daddy comes back. Or Addy, as she calls him. She's a real addy's girl.

good you he has you on his side Detective! Shouldnt have to be that way though, but sadly it is here too :( Have learnt if you don't shout and bang ont he table someone else will be :(

If you have stopped the other meds then would def give some gaviscon, but we had to put a knife through the teats to get the milk to come out! lol either that or feed it like you would for bf baby!!

Fingers crossed for less sick! With DS we didn't use muslins we used bath towels!! lol

I'm all out of ideas then petite I'm not very good at childrens sleeping habits. I really can't remember what I did with DS1!!!!

Fairmum He's constantly vomiting today, so I think he needs something. The milk and ranitidine seem to be a good combo at the moment. I've got loads of bottles and teats of varying sizes! Sure we will have something to work!

And yes, those who shout loudest and wave money! get heard.

nearest pharmacy should sell you box of infant gaviscon! xx

Much better night with M! The sleepdodger did 11 -1 then in with me for an hour then 2 - 4.30 before deciding she was up for the day. I'll buy that for now!

DP and I went to ikea for breakfast when he got ashore this morning. We had to phone the police en route though after some absolute twat tried to run me off the road and lobbed something out of his van at us - scart biscuits! All because I sat at the speed limit and refused to give into his horn, flashy lights and hand gestures. Dick.

I bought a high chair. Was going to get the £11 one but splashed out on a red wooden one instead.

Sorry posted too soon.

det sending lots of hugs yours and o's way. A&E might not be such a bad idea

detective could you phone the children's ward and ask for advice? A&E only for emergencies like Tuesday.

Thanks MM! He's much brighter today. I'm not saying anything else.

Just vomiting to work on at the minute. Before my washing machine combusts.

I'm like you, won't give in to dickheads on the road. I've had to learn to try and ignore the fuckers and let them go away though. It isn't worth it.

DP arrived back with infant gaviscon. Slight problem. You have to mix it with 8oz. He doesn't have 8oz in his bottles. He doesn't take 8oz, so won't get a full dose.

Any suggestions?!

VQ I think we are okay at the moment. I feel it is pointless trying to get the GP to manage it.

He's much brighter today, happily playing, feeding and sleeping. Think we are on to a good combination currently.

I am trying to chase the referrals and see how long waits are, but no bastard is picking the phones up.

I'd take him back to A&E if he became like he was tuesday/wednesday though.

But right now, we are okay.

O has beaten the crap out of his play gym, found his foot, and fed to sleep for the first time in the day for a loooooooooong time!

how much does he weigh now? used to be weight guidelines on the back of the bottle? know we started off with half pack in bottles but didnt work well so told to put all in although DS only drinking 5oz... can you follow guidelines for breastfed babies on the back, think to mix with small amount and feed on spoon/syringe?

Det glad he is brighter you said earlier you haven't noticed any leap but sure on days like this your noticing the new things he can do!
Thanks sophia dd normally does nice long 8 hour sleeps 5/7 days but she won't go down for the night til 11 or12 ... I'm definitely going to revisit and rethink GF

Fuck I'm thick sometimes. I might try the b/f way. See how that goes! Thanks! (He's 14lb1).

Well, it isn't what you know, it's who you know. After pissing about trying to get through to childrens outpatients all day, I got pissed off and just asked to be put through to the lead paed cons. secretary. She found the referral, and will mark it as urgent, and will ring me personally with the appt date next week. I did mention being a member of staff .

Oh, and guess what? The fucking GP didn't do a referral, I rang them to ask, and nothing has been sent. Another point to add in my complaint.

Det I'm glad he's brighter. Sorry for all the crap your going through. I have no advice but hugs and wine.

LO is brighter again, still very snotty and chesty and dozy a lot but he's eating properly again so am hoping its all up from here. He only likes being upright but I wonder if that helps him breathe better?

Love to all

det just mix one sachet in with 150ml. That's what P had.

I'm a strong bird. I've had far worse shit thrown at me. I can stand up for my little baby! A mothers love can tear down walls!

pikz I'm glad he's feeding well, that's a good sign!

Can you put in a formal complaint detective?

In terms of routine the only two we have are bedtime (6.30 bath, milk, cuddle and daddy time) and about 90 mins after he first gets up morning nap. I do do naps in daylight with just a blanket and a different Ewan sound.

Just been to town for a cuppa tea with my best friend and her baby dd (same age as Q) and walking back to the car Q was screaming blue murder, I'd fed her in the cafe so it wasn't that.
It was a ten min walk back to the car and she screamed the whole way, just as we got back she fell asleep don't know what was wrong though she doesn't usually cry that much in the pram, weird. It was quite cold maybe it was that.