November 2012 - More group hugs and moral support please

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1676013-November-2012-We-want-rattles-and-we-want-them-now

So, thanks to four month sleep regression, babies are waking at midnight for the first feed of the night and have done for the last four days. They are then waking every 40-60 minutes and taking half an hour to feed off to sleep each time. I don't get it. The latest any child of mine slept through was 12 weeks and I thought that was horrific since the other three were sleeping through at 6 weeks. I am actually ready to keel over.

Been busy all day.
Wi never catch up. And am keen to fall asleep. So wont attempt to either.

Hope all is well. Night night

I can't drink milk. It does bad things to my belly. Don't like cheese unless its melted like in pizza and pasta. I use oat milk for cereal and have just water with porridge.

Don't like the taste of milk but will drink it in tea or if in the mood, ice cold. Prefer choc milk shake if I have to drink it. Love cheese. Red fruit flavour yogs (I.e raspberry - all other flavours are the work of the devil ). Have a tiny bit on cereal.

The other night DS was grumpy, tried feeding him, he wanted it but was fussing, wriggling etc. Stopped feeding but DS was still grumpy. DD was in the bath so took DS upstairs. He immediately settled down & became happier. Think he 'knew' it was bedtime then, and as he was tired, that's what he wanted. Weird.

cat oh dear, that is not good. I also keep wondering why J will not sleep as my girls were both sleeping through by 7 weeks. I also am on my knees but it must be so much harder with two. You are amazing to still be feeding them, and you so rarely moan about anything x big hugs and gentle talking to for S and R.

Why is this 4 month thing called sleep regression when they wake up and eat? How is that any different?

J woke after 1 hour but self settled and slept for another hour. DH saw the clock and said it was 2.30, and I growled that he had already been up twice. Poor DH apologised. Not his fault bless him.

All this driving and added responsibility is very tiring, he said last night. I have been doing this and more for the last 6 years whilst pregnant, ill, sleep deprived. I burst out laughing and he saw the funny side. I was keen to reassure him that he is doing very well as only just passed test, and what a help it is.

I found the feeding got suddenly much easier at 12 weeks. That, or else I just stopped thinking about it so much. Either way, it doesn't take any effort anymore unless you include the arduous task of eating my own body weight in chocolate everyday so I can't take any credit for that. S & R do the hard work with the permanent munchings

The culminative effect of the no-sleep does concern me a little. My executive function is definitely somewhat impaired occasionally not there at all. DH should make me play chess every day to guage whether I am allowed to leave the house in the car, just like Leo and the President in TWW

Seriously though, sometimes I am yawning so much that my eyes are watering and tears rolling down my face, much to the DCs alarm. Have to explain that am not upset, just ever so tired. They look at me suspiciously as they don't ever get that tired. Ah well. Another couple of months and I dare say this will have passed. And then they will be trying to move around!

Twins are twice the work (more than twice probably) , but I get twice the number of joyful faces and excited wiggles in the morning. Makes it all worth it :)

VQ you said that your dh thinks milk is the root of a lot of problems. I agree to a point, yes it is a great source of calcium but I think a lot of people cannot tolerate it and it exaggerates things like ibs and eczema. But I think you have to be predisposed to it in the first place. I can't tolerate it. Bad things happen. It's not pretty at all. Petite you are missing out with the no cereal thing. I love a big bowl of Kellogg's cornflakes with ice cold (oat)milk and chopped up banana. Mmmmm

Oh dear lots of wakeful babies - Dottie was unsettled and mooching in cot so got her out and she was soaked through - damn buggies nappies - they're shite!!! So full change and quick feed back to sleep required!!!

I love milk but it has to be organic - read about all the antibiotics and crap that was left in regular milk and had to change. We all try to eat cereal though I fancy cornflakes weetabix, crunchy nut, alpen eat 3 bowls and then go off it for 3 mths lol

I didn't mean 3 bowls in one sitting - that would be plain greedy!!!

Depends on the size of the bowl.

cat you make sleep depravation sound almost romantic. Twice the fun with twins - I bet.

Well, J slept another 1.5 hours. I don't know what to think about him.

chick my kids seem to be very mucousy and DH was as a child. He blames dairy as he says milk is designed for baby cows not people.

I think cutting out caffeine is helping boy a bit. It may just be that I have eliminated a bit of mummy guilt. I am going to cut back on dairy too to see if it helps. Feeding is easy now, but the fact it is so often is the hard bit.

We had eggy bread for breakfast yesterday. With bacon & maple syrup. Yum.

On the weaning thing, the lates I have done any of mine is five months and my reasoning is this.

At six months is said the need extra iron, I suppose what you ave them at birth runs out. Anyway the foods that contain ths, like dark leaved veg and whole grains are strong tastes and better to introduce later.

I don't like to rush it, I like to take it slowly to make sure they have had lots of variety and taste experiences. I can't imagine whizzing through it.

All the kiddos have survived they all know how to make healthy choices even if they don't always make them.

I think I'll stick to what I know.

detective did you need eggs for something particular? Midnight omelette perhaps?

Peers in thread. Been awake since 5 peering at a poorly baby. His temp is 38. Stripped and calpol'd. I've given him a weight appropriate dose since he is under 3 months.

He's just so brave. Mummy is not!

He's reduced his intake too :( he has had 2oz at 1030, and 2oz at 6. I hope he takes more next time.

PANCAKES! I wanted pancakes. I now want anything eggy. Nom nom! DP is being dispatched to shop for a huge box of eggs this afternoon morning!

I thought they still got iron from BM/Formula? I thought the added iron thing was one of those things chucked out by formula companies to advertise follow on milks which aren't needed? I could be wrong as I'm tired!

I was planning on a very slow weaning process over 3-6 months after 6 months. I might even wait longer than 6 months if I think he isn't ready.

Mind you DS1 was weaned at 4 months and he wasn't eating regular meals til 1 year. He was happier with milk.

Will see how it goes as every baby's different, and never say never!

I mean regular meals as 3 times a day. He would snack in between but on milk. He was about 15 months when food became the major part of his diet.

Food is fun til one. Apparently. . Ds1 agreed it seems!

I'm another that doesnt like milk. Will never drink it. Put it on cereal but dont scoop it up with the spoon, IYSWIM, so my cereal bowl always has milk in it when I have finished. I cannot watch anyone drink it, makes me want to vom. I sit opposite someone at work who drinks the leftover cereal milk. It actually turns my stomach.

H has an iron and a mixed vits supplement that we give every day as instructed by the hospital. I just assumed everyone took these. Maybe it's a prem thing.

I hate milk too. Just in my coffee or tea and must be super fresh.

Big standard night here. 7-12-4-7

We are crazy attempting to get to the patent & child swimming session starting at 8.30 this morning. Am currently feeding Teddy, ds1 is wandering around half dressed and screaming...hmm.

However, have shaved my bikini line for first time since the night I went into labour...

It was a lot easier this time, btw.

Poor little O Detective I hope he feels better soon.

VQ I hope cutting out dairy helps J further and that your Hv is better than the gp you saw.

M is still asleep [happy] and has been since 8.30 pm. We have a lovely day planned, we are going swimming and I'm going to have a cheeky half hour in the sauna and jacuzzi. I'm so excited!

Oh and I finally found the zip part with the play cards on our Uppababy I must be blind as a bat in idea why I couldn't see it before!

I'm glad I'm not the only weird person that doesn't like milk, I don't like cheese or butter either andi eat cereal without any milk. I only have butter in home baking. I get my calcium from readybrek and yoghurts. I'm very strange with my food aversions, the one most people find strangest of all is my dislike if crisps and chips!