November 2012 - Don't forget the tummy time

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Happy anniversary PR and happy birthday kissy

Wrt keeping up - I don't! I read throughout the day on my phone, but don't often post because it's so tedious to do it on that. In the evening I'm a bit more thorough but I won't remember enough of what's been said during the day to comment on it all. I do my best!

Happy birthday Kissy

Happy anniversary PR

Happy Anniversary PR and birthday Kissyfur.

The bold piece doesn't work on my phone on the app for some reason.

LO was a bit up and down overnight. Went down at 8 and then did 1,4,5 and 8. The 5am was just a cuddle and I'm not sure why!

Happy anniversary PR and happy birthday Kissy!

Does anyone else make a guess when they open or refresh the thread as to how many posts it will be up to?

Sounds like a few people had ok sleep, well done LOs. DS still very erratic but had a long sleep 11-4 and DH took him downstairs at 6.30 so I could sleep more.

Eliza that's what L weighed at 11 wks but 10-15 oz of top up per day made him put on 1lb in ten days so you are doing the right thing in persevering even though it is so frustrating. Have you tried various bottles/teats/temperatures?

DS has stopped taking ebm. No idea why but for the last week he will take a tiny amount and then scream the place down. We keep having to throw the rest away.

Morning ladies

pr happy anniversary - which one is it? Leather? We've got our 7th in feb and its candy nom nom

vq at work we see 2 types of newborn - the ones who are thankful to be out of that squidgy tiny cramped space (usually born 8lb 7oz +) they sleep very happily on their backs with their arms in the surrender position and the only Moro reflex they do is when the paed tests for it or when there's a loud noise - the other type are a little bit tinier and they miss the confines of their cosy walled space and spend all their time startling - with their arms out they flail at the slightest noise/breeze/disturbance - these are the ones we swaddle when the mums are in tears cos their baby won't settle - 9/10 times it works a treat and baby and mum get some sleep - of course this is just my half baked theory from working with newborns for 5 years - its when they go home I'm clueless lol

We are all obviously very chatty and friendly and have no life lol - in sure it'll start slowing down as and when we start going back to work etc...

candy don't leave us - just chip in when you need to vent, chat or brag about LO achieving next milestone lol

Well darling Dottie would not settle anywhere but in my arms so ended up with her in bed and me trying to feed her without suffocating her she was happy there until 1:45 but I can't sleep/relax with her in the bed so then picked her up in my hands rather than snuggled to me so she didn't feel me moving away and after tiny movements creeping away from her she stayed down!!! And she had one arm out wooooo so will try and wean her off the swaddle!!

Happy birthday kissy - sound delish not been for ages cos the nearest one is near yo sushi and that always wins out lil

stunt I like the swaddle swaddle. Very witty! I also feel the need to point out that there are two Oct 12 threads.

blonder sorry to hear that. Perhaps you could see this as an advantage and give yourself a break from pumping? Continue to feed, but top up with formula from now on? Remember you are a legend and have done so well x

candy sorry

Great news about long sleeps and celebrations.

Last night a bit of a blur with sick DD, but I think DS slept. He was certainly excellent at feeding and settling

Should we have a waffle emoticon? Like if we are posting irrelevant shite start with a biscuit so posters struggling to catch up can skim? This thread is what it is, and I would hate for anyone to feel they cannot post, even if it is shite. Posting shite may actually really be important to that person - a little human contact, or distraction or helping them stay awake and generally cope better. I am very against restrictions on posting, and would leave if they were enforced.

So my vote is for drivel posts. Any better ideas?

glenda very interesting about babies. Having only had fat babies that would make sense. Great news on the arm! (I do not think this is drivel?)

Funny you say that glenda my DS was born at 38+6 weighing 6lb 15oz. He seemed like he was over-due, as he was so dry & wrinkly and everyone looked at the size of me & his position & predicted I'd have had him by 38wks But from day 1 he liked laying on his back, arms crossed across his chest or in surrender, & only startled when a really loud, clanging sound (think hearing my DD's racket in utero must have helped!). He also is quite happy laying on his own. Hence the sling I bought hasn't been used much :( He wasn't much like a teeny newborn at all!! He did grow v quickly & put on a lb in 9days... Weird! :)

vq I love chunky babies - on the ward we had an 11lb 8oz baby - he was huge!!! But very cuddly!!! And the mother was intact - kudos to her lol - its weird cos Dottie is now on her feeding pillow lying tucked under my arm but she's not swaddled and has been asleep like this for an hour - she does occasional tai chi like movements and only one face twat but the minute she goes in the crib unswaddled it's like she's conducting the royal philharmonic orchestra!!!

I'm with VQ on this one. This thread is the only thing that's kept me sane during M's worst nights. Yes I am famous for posting crap and ranting about DP doing so on here and not at him has probably saved our relationship during the sleep deprived newborn weeks but I would literally have gone mad if it wasn't for you guys when I was - otherwise - on my own during growth spurt hell! I love reading about your babies and all your successes, and hope I can provide some kind words back for those struggling as you have all done for me at some point. So a massive thank you to you all, and a big thumbs down to any kind of restrictions!

PS M hates swaddling. Or anything covering her arms. Being a big baby (8lbs13oz at birth) her behaviour fits with glenda 's theory. I've found putting her down semi awake and letting her chat to herself is the key to our recent long sleep success.

Happy birthday kissy and anniversary PR ! (please tell me I've got that the right way round!!)

glenda Yousef fits your theory perfectly. 9lb 3oz and is perfectly happy in a grow bag.

DS1 and 2 have already built a snowman and snowdog this morning and now have no idea what to DP with themselves. Could be a long day.

I only post occasionally and usually crappy info but I like the fact I can dip In and out

Glenda my little one was born at 34+0 was 5lb1oz and unless he's in a really deep sleep startles really easily. He sleeps on his back but only a couple of times has drifted off to sleep without help. He hates being swaddled as the moro reflex wakes him, so I have to swaddle when he's asleep. Your theory is right with us.

blonder yep, tried various teats & temps. She likes it quite warm and we had some success with the Nuk latex teat but now she won't have that either. I've bought a playtex one which has just been dispatched by amazon so will see how that goes. The same way as the others I expect. I just syringed nearly 3ozs (90ml) of formula into her but she sicked most of it back. It took so long but am going to make sure I do that at least twice a day. I'm expressing now as I think the formula might have been too heavy for her and I've run out of ebm. It's so good to hear you are having success. Gives me hope that all is not lost. I'll get this girl to gain weight even if it kills me (which at the moment seems quite likely!).

On a positive note we've had 2 house viewings and got 1 today. One person yesterday seemed very interested and doesn't have anywhere to sell so I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that one.

The sun is shining at last so going to go out for lunch and take DD1 for a bike ride. Have a good day y'all

I am also against restriction on posting. I love this group. You were all so supportive when the DDs were ill. If I hadn't been able to waffle away to you I'd have gone a little mad.

wish I had known bout the swaddling in hospital my d was 6 12 lb and would not sleep! v busy ward so no one suggested it to me. will ensure I mention it to my mates who have babies in coming years. I will need to put a biscuit for every post! don't have them on phone app!

I agree. It moves fast most of it's drivel lol but it's funny and were a huge group!!!

Ds is about out of his 0-3months :(

All my posts will have a !

Glenda Bloody hell, you might be on to something there! Both my babies wanted swaddling. Ds1 was 8lb5 but he was very distressed after birth with a sore head. He didn't need swaddling past 6 weeks I think.

Ds2 wants to be swaddled and is quite happy being awake and swaddled and will lie there happily! It seems to make him feel secure.

The bigger babies, you are right, those are the ones that seem happy to just chill on their backs hands by the side of their faces! Little ones seem to settle better wrapped!

I think you are definitely on to something there!

My theory may also answer why little little ones prefer to sleep on mummies - in nicu they put teeny babes on their fronts on sheepskins so they feel safe and secure and protected - on their backs they feel exposed and vulnerable!!

Will be getting dots cot on weds thank fuck for payday and getting the best mattress possible cos I think dots may sleep better on her front!!

If I have to watch one more pissing episode of spongebob I'm going to implode - dd1 is a sneaky cow and moves the remote out of arms reach when I'm feeding!!!

detective most of the mat care assistants where I work believe the same - the old school midwives believe in swaddling but some of the not so old school go around undoing all the babies Weve swaddled cos they've been told they'll over heat - then we're left with a ward of crying babies lol!!!

All my posts will have a but think is a great idea. I agree with mm and vq.

This thread has saved my sanity and tears many a time. Sniff. Tear.

horsey he is 3 months tomorrow so it is to be expected!

detective that goes without saying

We would need something other than a biscuit for phones. Good point.

How about :

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Folk will then know to skim unless bored?

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My DH is busy cleaning stuff that really does not matter. He loves to re-arrange stuff when we have bigger more important things to do. Grr!!

See I think we fit too. L was 7lb6 and liked swaddling for about 4 weeks at which point he grew to nearly 10lb and hated it. Now he likes grobags and arm waving and occasionally twating himself.

VQ mine is always doing something pointless too like making a creation out of puff pastry or cappuccino when I actually need the dishwasher un stacked or LO holding so I can shower!

Horsey you are lucky L is 9 weeks and fully in 3-6ms