November 2012 - the best post-natal quiche on MN

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1655656-November-2012-sleeping-through-yet

The answer to the sleeping though question was a chorus of "no"s but there were a few resounding yesses and a lot more keeping quiet because the rest of us would be well jel.

I seem to think DS had a mad 8wk thing - I think it was when I had mastitis, so just assumed it was because he was laying nxt to me in bed & could smell me. However, the feedathon went on for a day or 2; seemed like a growth spurt to me, but not a 'universally recognised' one. Perhaps winter babies have an extra growth spurt to get their fat stores up for warmth or something??!

Thanks for the suggestions PR, Bryzoan Dixie & detective (p.s. I'm amazed you've put up with the sweat so long - yuck!!)

Have only started doing a 'routine' for DS in last little while, & its only been properly working for the last couple of days Clarella - at 6wks, what's the rush?

DD was quite a routine baby -seemed to do roughly the same things every day at roughly the same time - she was quite textbook really. So just decided to start the "bath/dress/book & feed" type routine at her 'usual' bedtime, when I think she was about 9wks (she had started rocking the Moses basket with her kicking, so went into her own room then). We gradually brought it forward so her bedtime was at around 8pm. Until 9wks, I'd mainly been doing the last feed in our bed, with dimmed lights etc.

DS is not as predictable or routine, but is starting to get that way. He tends to want a feed between 7 & 8pm, then gets tired. So now he sometimes has a bath at the same time as DD, then they're both pj'ed up, I read to DD whilst she has her milk whilst DH entertains DS, then I feed him & put him to bed. He only gets a book if he's fed whilst I'm reading to DD.

That's weird & a tiny bit yuck Sophia

only went just under 7hrs last night, possibly because the dream feed was late because I was faffing about on the iPad chatting to DH, getting ready for bed.

DS feeding until gone 12 as he vommed everything at 10. All over him, me, bed etc. He was beside himself by the time he passed out. Max sleep 3 hours, then awake every 2 hours.

Staying in bed as so tired. Snow here so not going anywhere. I have hurt my back and neck and combined with ongoing leg pain from fracture, I am a pitiful creature at the moment.

Three fucking hours at twelve fucking weeks. He best be an angelic teen to make up for this.

VQ you must be knackered. Try and rest today.

Ah, VQ you poor thing. You're probably right about the teenage years. Wonder if we'll be on thread 4million by then?!

:( vq poor u. Well it's the weekend so can dh takeover most things and u just solely do the feeding?

My feeds were 8pm, 11.30pm, 2.45am and then 6.40am. Still no more than 4 hrs at a go and no sign of dropping the 2.45am one. She's actually really hungry at that point ..... But at least she's not fussing anymore and tends to go to sleep straight away after feed.

Have to go to bloody north London today for a family function. I don't want to go... Just want to stay in and snuggle up. Hope LO doesn't fuss too much, first time that part of family is seeing her so she needs to be on best behaviour !

gt sorry I meant plan nearer the time regarding nappies, how many what size etc. I was doing the middle of the night ' baby's not normal' routine and didn't explain properly. you're going down cloth nappy route could they be more flexible in size? but I understand the rest of your anxiety, I'd be doing my nut with nerves going away with inlaws even though they're lovely.

routine wise I just wondered if we've been doing it wrong but I guess there's no right or wrong way! been waiting for him to work out his own patterns of poo sleep eat and then fit baths, play etc into a time linked routine (we do cued routines eg certain song for bath etc) he is getting there - seems to have two big happy awake times in the morning and afternoon. I was wondering about looking at EASY routine, but thing is
he still has boob narcolepsy!

oh the sweat thing would really bug me - dh ruins our pillow cases with his hair wax. looks like lo has inherited his wavey hair too

I'm a teacher too - moderate learning diff and autism and just about any child the neighbouring lea can't cope with primary.

last bit of paranoia - getting poos out seems to really really upset him - we bf so still quite runny but the straining wakes him up and he cries or won't settle due to it. normal??

ok paranoid qs over!

glad arm pinning helped bry!

If this thread is still going for that long , we should have a worldwide reunion at 5 years ! We'll pick the biggest ikea in the midlands and we will all go regardless of where we live!! Block book a premier inn and we're sorted ! :D

Plan candy meant to say we had the 8 week blues here too, was am awful week, I thought the jabs but maybe it is an actual thing!

I am going to try him in his cot is his room with the angel monitor. I will have it on voice activater, so it will only come through if he makes a proper noise. It ignores all the little snorts and grunts. Someone upthread said about having it on highest sensitivity. I have it on middle sensitivity as otherwise it can pick up movement from the washing machine downstairs, you walking past the cot etc. It is worth fiddling with it. Plus you can have the light indicator only as the clicking would drive me insane.

I will miss him dreadfully, but I will keep the bedside cot in situ in case it does not work.

He will be starting GF on next friday anyway as he will be three months old.

I am not sure why he vomited. Might be due to jags the day before, or it might be as I seem to have more milk in the evening. He seemed to be guzzling and I was foolishly thinking oh goody, more food means more sleep.

Morning all, not a bad night for us just under 4 hours between feeds. She was going between 6-7 but that only lasted for a few days but I'm chuffed with 4, DD is 13w old now

gt your hol sounds great! I've been on hol with my in laws before and it was fine most the time but I think since LO our relationship has changed a lot and not for the better

detective I would be dragging DP to the doctors and then to dunelm mill for a new pillow

candy that's a great idea, wonder if this thread will still be going on then!?

Clarella I started an evening routine with M last week when dh was on nights, as follows:

wind down from 7pm (no exciting toys, dim lights, etc)
upstairs for bath at 8pm
baby massage then pjs
story and feed in the nursery, then I cuddle her till she's asleep
then put her in cot in nursery for first sleep, in the hope that when she sleeps through I will move her in permanently

At the moment when she wakes I just take her back down with me. The first night she did 2mins, then 10 and last night we managed about 40mins so she is getting better.

Other than that we have no real routines. I bought and read GF but got a bit irritated when she started dictating when I should be having my breakfast!!

Oh poor you VQ. Think you're right about getting him in his cot - it might be that illness etc has got him (& you) into the habit of frequent waking & feeds, but if you can ignore the snuffles & grunts, particularly if he's a good weight & doesn't "need" a feed, he might learn to self-settle & wake when he's genuinely hungry.

I also found that co-sleeping with DS the other night (too cold & too lazy to feed 'properly' so just lay there & bunged him on) meant he snacked all night long. I know some babies genuinely need that & some can't sleep elsewhere, so co-sleeping is a good option so everyone gets more sleep, but DS is starting to self-settle & is happy enough sleeping on his own, so it actually works the opposite for us. It's sad, as there is nothing nicer than having your cuddly bundle nestled next to you or on your chest, but it can't go on forever unfortunately and you have to make life a bit easier for everyone.

clarella, your LO sounds v like Teddy. He also seems to get upset with pooing esp at night. I'm sure tgat's what wakes him rather than hunger. Although he does 5 or 6 a day and they are runny. But struggles to feed too when he needs to go. So don't know about 'normal' but your LO is certainly not alone. Also I want to do EASY but he also falls asleep at boob, and we often end up doing EAES instead!

Never read GF MM but that would annoy me too, but then I'm not one for routines that aren't self baby imposed. I also resent the idea of setting an alarm on a non-work day when I have perfectly good DCDHs to wake me in the morning.

oh vq definitely about easy day in order for you, that sounds very painful.

not read gf but was told the other day how very restrictive it is on mum at first - no chance to go and meet anyone for coffee if it
doesn't fit.

yes ditto dixie, I'm sure he'd sleep for longer if it weren't fir the straining!

Well the threat of being moved into her own room obviously worked for miss P as she slept extremely quietly last night. So quietly that I woke up and couldn't get back to sleep until I heard a snuffle.

She is currently napping in her sleeping bag. I would like to move her to that rather than swaddling but she still flings her arms about. She is 10 weeks on Monday - when is she likely to stop doing this?

As far as the routine chat goes I started by logging feeds, naps etc and looking to see if patterns emerged. Thankfully for us they did so we are building on this. The day is still massively led my her therefore very variable but we do follow a night time routine.

GT your trip sounds amazing but I totally understand your anxiety. I was put off going away for a long weekend never mind a month! DH's sister has an apartment that we can use which is ace so I had wondered about posting formula and nappies over occassionally to build up a stock pile. Could you do that so that you are not having to manage the logistics on the plane?

I have done GF with all of mine and I have always ignored when I should have my meals. What she doesn't realise is that you also have to squash everyday chores like washing, tidying, food shopping and a bit of rubbish tv! But I take it with a pinchof salt and just look at the baby related stuff.

I have a GF book - I just ignore the bits that don't suit me. I read it before giving birth and a bit then kept picking it up once P had been born and was still . I sort of pick out the bits that I think will work for us and ignore the rest. I haven't read the baby whisperer but I am actually fairly unsure what the difference is between the EASY routine and GF.

As a secondary teacher my life has been controlled by blocks of 53 minutes and bells ringing. I am a creature of habit and like routines. Thankfully for me P seems pretty keen on them too.

In other news, DH has had a parking ticket revoked! Hoorah! We went out for lunch just before p was born. dH bought a ticket and put it on the dashboard then came round to help me out the car. The ticket must have blown off the windscreen as we had a parking ticket when we got back. The council were massively unhelpful for weeks and weeks but have finally decided to see sense.

Urgh what a grotty night, I'm beginning to feel really unwell from the constant feeding all through the night, if he's not latched on he won't sleep. Nearly 11 weeks of this is really taking its toll. :/

clarella spaniel ears
GT you?re so brave to go on such a big trip, it?s a nightmare trying to co-ordinate a trip to the supermarket let alone abroad.

We got 7 hours last night not a single minute in her crib though. Boobs fit to burst but I don't care.

DSD is singing a song that goes like this - "sexy sexy sex sex (repeat ad infinitum)"

I just went to the pharmacy and the pharmacist asked me when I was due.

I said I gave birth 3 months ago.

Oh.

Thing is I weigh less now than I did before I got pregnant. I'm hoping it's just that I was wrapped up so well against the cold that I looked bigger than usual. It's made me so depressed I've come home and gone to bed.

Oh pr how horrible you poor thing. Stupid pharmacist with her stupid broken eyes xx

PR I expect the pharmacist felt awful too. I make a point of never mentioning pg unless the person mentions it first. I bet nobody thinks your child is your grandchild though x

PR My local shop man asked me how long I had left the other day...I think they just forget blah blah...and I didn't take offence because he couldn't see my bottom half as the desk to pay comes up to my neck nearly...In other news dd1 has got dd2 hooked on to peppa pig (happy days)