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Smorgs · 02/01/2013 19:36

This really will be the thread where all our babies start sleeping through the night... right?!

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londonlivvy · 04/01/2013 06:19

oh gawd. I am a bad mother.

background:
I have slept with ear plugs every night since I was 16 as I'm such a light sleeper. I usually have no problem hearing dd regardless (often through the wall before the monitor picks it up) . however sometimes i have a new pair and they are more effective than usual and im more tired thanvusual. today I have a horrid cold, a bad night last night too and no lunchtime recovery sleeps for two days.

as I say, generally I do hear her first but once DF came down from the attic and opened my door and that woke me, once (when we were sharing a bed) he shook me awake. and just now he came from the spare room and woke me. I had the monitor in my room. I feel incredibly guilty to not have responded to her and know DF will be (rightfully) cross with me. DD was screaming. I was obviously in a really deep sleep. I was dreaming. and I've already been awake from 130 to 3.

DF is now going away for the weekend with his mum. He's feeling grotty too but is now going to doubt my ability to care for his daughter. oh shit. I feel like I shouldn't wear earplugs either but I'm such a crap sleeper at the best of times I wake at the slightest thing (people walking down our road, birds singing, the cat moaning for breakfast) I feel anxious about being even more tired than I already am.

Please someone else have had their partner hear the baby first and it's not just me being neglectful. Sad

she has now fed for five minutes and fallen asleep.

YompingJo · 04/01/2013 06:30

Crazy and Orenishii your discussion about whether to free a tongue tie has been interesting to read as I had this done for dd a week ago. Reading your thoughts has made me feel guilty all over again for putting her through it, because she definitely suffered because of something I chose to have done to her. (The guilt is a product of my own over-thinking brain, not of your discussion!) You have made me re-examine my reasons for deciding to have the procedure done, but that's a good thing because I feel positive about it overall. She had a poor latch which I could not have gone to any greater lengths to help her with over the last 10 weeks - I went to support groups and drop ins, 4 separate people came out to me, I read 2 entire books about bf (no easy feat with a newborn), I watched DVDs, I read websites and forums on the subject almost every night whilst feeding her, and I had phone support. I tried out every single bit of advice and none of this helped me to improve her shallow latch and hence make feeding more efficient for her and less painful for me, so when I realised she had posterior tongue tie (again after extensive research), getting it cut was a last resort. If that didn't make any difference then I would just have to accept the pain every 2hours - but I'm not sure how many more weeks I could have lasted. Having the tt cut was a hard decision and very traumatic for me and for her, dd was definitely in pain at the time and for a few days afterwards and I found that very hard to deal with and gave myself a very hard time over that being a consequence of my decision. But (there is a point to all this!) a week later, her feeding is so much better than it was before. She can now stay latched on most of the time instead of drawing back to her previous nipple-shredding shallow latch. Feeding has been transformed and is now something I am confident I can do long term. So, although it hurt her and I will forever feel bad about that, I have to admit it was the right decision for us as imho it will benefit her in the long term. It's nice to have realised that and I'm proud of myself for being strong and for all the lengths I went to in order to keep bf. (This is not a "thou shalt bf" rant, each to their own, I just had a gut feeling something was wrong, and fixable, and as I'm normally so hard on myself it's nice to feel good about finally fixing it!).

Sorry for all that blathering, must have needed to get that out there! The downside is that at nearly 11 weeks it's probably too late to try and introduce a bottle so DH can feed her but in another breakthrough, DH has realized that I would rather bf if it's possible, and be restricted by it, than ff so he can help (or risk introducing bottles of expressed and have her decide not to bf any more, as happened to a friend of mine).

7 hour sleep again last night Shock. Instant outfit change for me when we woke up, milk from engorged boob everywhere Grin. The triggers for a longer sleep seem to be a warmer than recommended room temp and distracting her in the evening rather than feeding her at the first sign of grizzliness. And possibly using the Colief correctly, although she was pretty windy and uncomfortable in the evening last night. Or maybe I just wore her out, we had a really full on day visiting friends then meeting nct girls for lunch (took a packed lunch to save money ), then I took her swimming at the gym and she had a bath with DH in the evening.

That was a very me me me post, hope you all have good days without interfering hvs or poorly babies.

londonlivvy · 04/01/2013 06:32

actually just checked and the monitor was downstairs. possibly why I didnt hear her.

YompingJo · 04/01/2013 06:43

London, not just you. I had to be woken by DH before I heard DD screaming, on a particularly bad night after a particularly bad day. I use earplugs too. Another source of guilt and "what if..." scenarios but long term, sleep is important and a rested mum has got to be better than a frazzled one. Don't beat yourself up Thanks

OctoberOctober · 04/01/2013 06:49

Yay for those sleeping through!

londinlivvy I have slept through DS crying and had dp have to wake me, you're not the only one. Not surprising that with disrupted nights you will sometimes sleep deeply. Good that you know it was monitor in diff room though!

YompingJo · 04/01/2013 06:51

And yay Smorgs and Huffle for sleeps! must be something in the air!

londonlivvy · 04/01/2013 07:14

oh and whoever it was who was finding sleeves on babygros too short, try tesco. maybe dd has stumpy arms but they are about 4 cm too long.

funchum8am · 04/01/2013 07:17

Hi everyone can I join you? DD (aka babyfunch) was born 4th Oct so 3 months today. I have been up since 2am enjoying a cough til you vomit double bill from babyfunch and she has finally gone back to sleep just as I reached the end of this thread.

Sorry not to have read all previous threads! I recognise some people from other threads on induction (hi orenishii!) and staying awake for night feeds (hi mickey!). I wasn't on the Oct due dates thread as babyfunch was due Sept 20th but was very late. I was induced and ended up with spinal and forceps like orenishii....meeting to discuss my formal complaint about the appalling care I received on the antenatal ward takes place on 23rd January! Delivery team were amazing though.

So funny to read about all the pooplosions, sleepless nights and so on....nice to hear I am not alone having all these worries and mad happenings with baby! Good luck to those making decisions about tongue tie, and with poorly little ones. I second the use of the snot sucker from Boots - works well and bizarrely DH takes great pleasure in operating it good job as it makes me want to boak

FirstTimeForEverything · 04/01/2013 07:58

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WantAnOrange · 04/01/2013 07:59

Katla I like your idea about likening sleep training to potty training. There is a quote in the Mumset Rules by one mum that is something along the lines of; expecting a baby to sleep on their own to stop the bad habit of being fed to sleep is the same as insisting they walk from day one, to prevent this bad habit of lying down all the time.

London dont feel too guilty. No parent is perfect all the time.

Huffle cant believe a GP told you about over feeding. I would've asked if I'd maybe just slipped in a time warp and gone back a few decades (but then I'm a sacarstic moo). I would make a complaint too, the HCP should not be spreading these myths, that are killing off BF.

DD is now in 3-6 month clothes, cant beleive it!

Is anyone else loosing their hair? Mines coming out in clumps Sad.

smile4me · 04/01/2013 08:03

Hi funchum8am yikes on the terrible birth Shock sorry you had such a terrible experience on the antenatal ward too! makes me feel incredibly lucky for my great experiences and the wonderful midwives and nurses who helped us in those first few (painful) days!

Andnenehoo totally agree with those doubt demons... find them the worst when tired or baby screaming so pretty much all the time

Ha Katla totally thought it was just me who sat around in clothes I wouldn't be seen out the house in, with baby puke on my shoulder! Makes me feel a lot better Smile I started off making an effort to change my shirt every time I got puked on, but the washing pile was too horrendous so gave up quickly!

yay yay yay for baby huffle and smorgs and yomping on your sleeping! Good way to start 2013! So maybe the thread title is a good omen for us all Wink
huffle, crazy and yomping I'm so impressed you guys have carried on BF with all the problems you've had (terrible boob problems, tts and everything) We had latch issues from about 2-7 weeks... ended up with nipples getting chomped constantly during feeds... never really got to the bottom of it (due to useless lactation consultant), just gradually went away... but I was incredibly close to swithing to FF and I had nwhere near the problems you guys have had. Just thought you deserved a pat on the back!

Oh and smorgs I was laughing at your post about baby smorgs puking up whole feed over your clean PJs and sheets then exactly the same thing happened to me... don't quite know how as I had a towel under minime to catch the spews... guess it's karma for giggling at you Grin

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Woolybob · 04/01/2013 08:28

Welcome funchum and babyfun, snap dd also born 4th Oct, also horrible cold. However got some children's olbas oil and last night slept much better 9.30-8 with just one waking and no projectile vomiting. Could be coincidence but worth considering all those with snit monsters!

And first big white noise fans here, hairdryer usually gets me 10 mins peace, bit worried when dd is older she will pass out everytime she blow drys her hair (which at the moment is a thin covering very similar to when she was born btw)

wantan Grin Grin. love that quote, will try & remember that next time I feel the doubt re feeding to sleep!

Cherrychopsticks · 04/01/2013 08:41

I sleep with ear plugs too, Livvy. I don't think I've slept through his crying yet, but I'm a reeeeeeally bad sleeper.
Unfortunately, DH wouldn't be able to save the day if I did because he sleeps like the dead and never wakes up when DS cries Hmm even when I hold him right by his head.
When it's my morning for a lie-in (tomorrow, whoo hoo!) I have to wake up, kick him (DH, not DS) awake, then try and fall back asleep. Angry
Hopefully you DH will understand that it's bound to happen once in a while, and it won't do your DD any harm.

Sounds like you made a great decision on getting the tongue tie cut, Yomping, glad it was all worth while.

Thanks for the help with sitting/Bumbo queries First, Elpis and Wantan. I sat him in it for a trial run - he's still a bit wobbly, but seemed to find it rather amusing Grin

Squid, some 0-3 months clothes, especially M&S and Mothercare, are still too big for DS. I think he's a shortarse like his father Grin.

Welcome Funchum!

nenehooo · 04/01/2013 08:59

GrinGrinGrin At your daughter passing out whilst blow drying her hair wooly!!! Can just picture a generation of babies with this issue!
Also very jealous of 4th Oct babies, that's my dsis's bday and we were both wishing for dd to be born then as we're so close... We were only 17 days off though Wink she's the most amazing person in the world, so your babies will be great by the way.
Londonlivvy I've not heard dd before and she's right next to the bed and I'm also quite a light sleeper. And needs must on the earplugs front - always remember that sleep deprivation is an actual form of torture!
Firsttime my baby has a lot of hair and it seems to be getting thicker if anything! Met a baby who was 6 months and had lots of quite patchy dark hair - when I commented how much hair she had, the mum said "that's nothing" and showed me a photo of when she was born... I kid you not, it looked like they'd put a wig on her! A massive thick black wig practically down to her eyebrows! So yes, sometimes they lose it!
Congrats yomping (autocorrect made you gimping there - that's not good!) and huffle on your epic sleeps, fingers crossed they're the turning points for you!

Cherrychopsticks · 04/01/2013 09:19

DS has quite a lot of hair First, I don't think he's losing it yet.
My nephew was born with no hair, and is only just staring to get some now, at about 10 months. He's gorgeous!

We also love white noise. (Well actually, I hate it, but I love what it does). Hoovering would send him to sleep. In fact, DS seems to love any noise. He's fallen asleep in a room of screaming kids before and this morning he took his nap to Kings of Leon et al on my iPhone, very loud.

Katla · 04/01/2013 09:28

London don't beat yourself up about it, no harm was done and you found an explanation if monitor was downstairs. Your DH should be taking some responsibility too ( not that mine ever wakes up at all though )

Yomping sounds like your decision has had great results, and you looked into all the options (and more!) for your baby and your poor nips.

First my DD was born with lots of dark hair and it's now growing in fairer, there is still quite a bit of it and she has a cute 'Mr Magoo' curl that sticks up on top!

Woolybob · 04/01/2013 09:29

We also love sleeping in Costa coffee

Cherrychopsticks · 04/01/2013 09:53

I've just browned mince, softened onions and garlic etc. to make spag bol, only to realise I have no tinned toms in the cupboard. I always have tinned toms! This never would have happened before I had a baby.

crazypaving · 04/01/2013 10:36

wantanorange yes losing all my hair Sad surprised I'm not bald yet Sad Sad Sad

crazypaving · 04/01/2013 10:37

yomping sounds like you made exactly the right decision.

fret fret fret...

hufflepuffle · 04/01/2013 10:46

Hugs today to Smileyhappymummy going to work.

Thanks and Wine

hufflepuffle · 04/01/2013 10:48

Cherry I ran out of loo roll. We never run out of such items!!!!

What has become of us??! Wink

Cherrychopsticks · 04/01/2013 11:22

Grin Huffle, and yes, we'll remembered (unlike the loo roll) - good luck today Smiley! Hope you can enjoy it.

I'm not losing my hair yet Wantan, but my hair seemed to stop growing in pregnancy so I'm hoping this means I won't have to...

Cherrychopsticks · 04/01/2013 11:23

Well, not we'll.