Still brooking no argument whatsoever that these babies are happy, healthy and awesome for 2013 too.

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eh. attempt at new thread. yo.

Sorry, I meant to say 2 or 3ish!

Lets say 3pm, gives me a chance to get across town and parted after swimming. Tomorrow will be mums going underwater with their babies too I think. Last weeks clue was "don't wear makeup". I'm quite nervous, I hate getting water up my nose, afraid in going to be more of a wimp than the little babies... :(

3 is good - see you then! Eek, I'll have to go on FB and look at your photos again to make sure I recognise you. Hang on, I'll PM you my number.

Dream/Scarlet, can I ask why the advice is to wait until later in life before having an operation for prolapses? I get that the surgery may need to be done again, but is there a reason not to have it twice? Why not have the op now and then another one if it fails in 15 years or whatever? Is there something I'm missing?

Good, M has temporarily lost interest in the laptop so I can type more easily. I just think that personally, I would not want to put up with all those symptoms during my youth. I would rather have an operation, knowing that there was a strong chance of needing another one later on.

I don't know the answer to that Too and I clearly wasn't getting anywhere trying to find out. There's a long running thread on here where I've read about women who have had the surgical repair younger than me so I can only think that my GP just doesn't think my case is bad enough to warrant it. Fair enough if a specialist thought that, hence me hoping for a referral. I'm sure my GP will have seen plenty worse than mine which I guess is what he has to go on, but at the same time I think it's surely subjective. How can he possibly really know how bad it is? 1, he's a man and will never experience anything of a gynaecological nature so he's going to be thinking from a textbook POV only and 2, what some people might be happy to put up with other people might not. The sceptical me thinks money and targets are involved most likely.

You'll probably see my fanjo on Embarrassing Bodies in the near future. They always seem to get a referral without issue and I might get that desperate

Hey all. Sorry for posting fail!

DS2 its mince at sleeping still so I am v tired.

Reading no cry sleep solution but too tired to do it!

DS1 was sleeping a lot better by this stage so am a bit stumped. He will be 11mo this week.

He's started walking over the least couple of weeks though, that took us by surprise!

Oops hit post.will try to catch up later. . .

dream - a was on omeprazole for a bit, they do give it to littlest. It's a ppi, stops the acid being produced in the first place. It helped the reflux massively but made her a little wired to say the least. Lanzeprazole supposed to be better than omeprazole for the wired ness.

Oh, I remember the wired-ness sleep hell you had with it pomme. He is much better on the ranitidine, I think I'd try upping the dose first, then maybe domperidone too as he's often up for ages in the night anyway. Usually scratching and pinching me and giggling. Sleep baby, sleep!! He started crawling yesterday though. Only as a means to get to somewhere he can stand or that vtech walker, the super annoying one that's everywhere- he's great with that. Still no sign of Ben crawling.

scarlet by all means get referred but its silly to say the GP is looking at it from a man's pov. So, that would mean no GP could properly treat a palliative care patient as they're not dying themselves or a cancer patient unless they'd had cancer iykwim?! GP's have to stay up to date. My dh does a full afternoon in his own time every month or so attending training sessions on say heart failure, then dermatology, etc etc. They should know the best evidenced based treatment options for a whole range of.conditions and look them up if not. They may say this surgery can help but you'd have to pay privately. I know its a bit different but dh has discussed that with for example, people who've lost loads of weight and have excess skin as that's not funded for correction on the nhs. He has also applied for funding for a few people for such kind of things and got it funded twice. He's always been really pleased and genuinely has patients best interests at heart. I hope this doesn't sound preachy, I'm just trying to say that your GP may well be doing the absolute best though I think you should be referred to gynae or at least physio, my friend saw gynae as GP thought she needed surgery straight away her prolapse was so big and gynae referred her to physio

Wow jaggy, walking!! So that's purple h, your R and raaboo's f walking from the brooking babies. They're growing fast! Sleep remains beyond dire here too. I think its not going to improve without effort on my part as b has done it naturally by himself...

Oh, and your little A walking too pomme, just seen fb. Well done A!! I can't believe these bumps are now walking, babbling 1 or nearly 1 year olds. Astounding.

Oh I know Dream, it is unfair of me to say that. I'm just pissed off with him tbh. There is another male GP there and a female GP but she is a B I T C H and everyone says it. I only ever see her if I'm desperate with one of the kids. He's always been good to DH and me in the past and is the one who saw us through cancer, fertility issues and miscarriages. I have always trusted his opinion which is why I chose to see him about this. He definitely said at the time of the examination that he would be happy to refer me, I know I'm not mistaken on that. Something has happened since to make him change his mind and he's annoyed me by making out I've misinterpreted him.

FWIW since I took the Fluconazole I feel remarkably better. Even though I've already had it this year and it didn't work. I'm doing my pelvic floor exercises every time I think about how cross I am! I do think physio could be beneficial. My current thoughts are that I will put up for another couple of months and then push again for a referral if no improvement. I don't take any pleasure in getting my fanjo out for aquantances so it's not "nothing to worry about" or else I wouldn't have gone!

Yay for waking babies! DD is crawling very fast and showing interest in pulling up to kneeling, but not showing any sign of standing or cruising yet.

DH and I have been out for dinner tonight. We've come back to DD being up crying Dreading the long night ahead.

DS2 cried loads when wee went our fir dinner for the first time after PIL kinda made us do it they tried for an hour to settle him before calling us as he was screaming. :( He stopped crying as soon as DH was holding him.

I feel bad for leaving him when he's obviously got bad separation anxiety right now.

This was last week by the way!

Hope she's ok scarlet.

Sorry for random words - 2 months on I still don't quite have the hang of new phone!

Morning all!
Boo to crying babies - hope some sleep was had by all last night. T is still doing remarkably well at night sleeping for 4-5 hours before having a big feed then going another 2-3 hours before feeding again. In fact on Friday he went nearly 6 hours I presume he can go longer because of his size?! He HATES sleeping in the day mind you and will spend hours desperately trying to not fall asleep and getting himself really worked up about it! He will sleep in the sling, buggy or car seat just not in his Moses basket! I bought a swing chair online yesterday to see if the rocking motion helps as I still can't wear him in the sling for long due to my pelvic pain

In other news I didn't get to appreciate T's lovely long sleep on Friday night as Id had a huge fall out with my Dad and had spent most of the evening in floods of angry tears To cut a long story short me and my Dsis have always had a difficult relationship with him (mum and him split up 20years ago) as he is a miserable bugger but things have got worse recently and its just too stressful trying to make a relationship work with him - its all one sided My sister had already decided the same a couple of months ago but I was still trying (really for DS's sake) but things all came to a head on Friday when he started criticising DH - that really made me see red! So sadly he made it clear that he couldn't care less about having a relationship with either of his daughters and quite frankly now Im over the initial upset I feel relieved that I don't have to pussy foot around him wondering when his next bad mood is going to come. On the plus side my mum is remarried to a lovely man so both DS's still have fab grandads on both sides of the family. Sorry for the rant - its quite therapeutic writing it all down!
Hope everyone has a nice lazy Sunday planned

Olives that sounds very stressful, I hope you're ok. It's hard deciding whether to stop contact with someone because you want your conscience to be clear, but in my experience once the decision's made it feels a huge relief. My case is a toxic grandparent so not quite as bad as your situation but nevertheless stressful when I know the rest of the family will put up with abuse regardless, just because he's old, making me the black sheep. At least you and your sister are in agreement with each other so no pressure from the other to "move on and forgive". You can explain to your DS's when they're older why you felt you had to make that decision. I hope you find a solution to the daytime sleep problem soon. (((Hugs))).

Good to hear from you Jaggy. Judging from the time of your post I guess you had another bad night!

DD settled in the end thank goodness but has got up this morning full of thick green snot again. I think it must be the swimming pool I take her to on a Friday. She spends Sunday to Wednesday full of cold and doing horrible runny poos, gets better on a Thursday so I take her swimming on a Friday, then it all starts up again on a Sunday. That's been the last 4 weeks now

Olives, J is the same with daytime sleeps. I might get him down in the Moses basket once, but he can be awake for hours fighting sleep. He still rarely sleeps more than 2 1/2 hours in a row at night, but he settles well at night at least.

He's asleep in his car seat at the moment, after we've done the food shop, so I'll make the most of it and make us an early lunch

M is walking too! She started the day after everyone left, so maybe 2 days after her birthday. Before that she'd been doing step-step-step-dive a lot, but now she is much steadier and can do 5 or 6 steps. So her first attempts were from maybe 11 months on and then at just over a year she's really there. But wow at Jaggy's DS2! That's really early!

Scarlet, it's a shame that swimming makes your DD coldy! I don't know what to suggest - maybe give the swimming a rest until she's a bit older? She's got plenty of time to learn to swim, after all.

Green, so sorry to hear about your dad. I hope T sleeps for 6 hours again tonight so you can sleep this time.

Scarlet, I wonder whether you can push to be referred anyway? What are the rules, Dream? If a patient begs to be referred, can the GP make an exception? It's clearly bothering you a lot, although I'm glad that the Fluconazole is helping.

Yay for S crawling, Dream! And for A walking, Pomme!

I'm trying CBeebies for the first time. M is trying to climb the TV table to reach the TV, so I suspect that means she likes it.

For the last 4 or 5 nights M has been waking up at 5, like clockwork, and I'd been taking her into my bed. Last night she woke up at 4.45, so I got tough and did cc again. It sort of worked, eventually - she would cry for a few minutes, then fall asleep, and then wake up 10 minutes later. After nearly an hour of this she finally fell asleep for half an hour, so when she woke up at 6.30 I gave up and took her into my bed and she snoozed until quarter to 8.

Thanks scarlett You're right about it being easier with my sister feeling exactly as I do and thanks for the hugs too Ds always used to get snotty after swimming too, its a nuisance. We persevered with it as he loved going and he did seem to grow out of the recurrent coldy symptoms.
little Why oh why do babies fight going to sleep! Its madness, I hate seeing him all worked up especially when its just because he doesn't want to close his eyes! Id love someone to be patting and rocking me to sleep Wouldn't take long, all I need to do is sit down for 5 mins and I start with the long blinks and the nodding!
too Yay for another walking brooking baby! They'll be no stopping her now Well done with the cc too, 5am starts are not good for anyone! DS1 was older when he started getting up at the crack of dawn so we got a Groclock which is set for 7am (although he often wakes earlier and reads his books) he's just not allowed to come out of his room until 7

Little and Green, DD is exactly the same - hates hates hates napping during the day, although she goes down wonderfully at night! She's been the same since she was very little, and my mum said she'd never know a baby to fight sleep so much! We think it's because she's so nosy that she hates missing anything. She now won't even necessarily nap in the buggy or sling unless she's really tired! I have a few sneaky tactics I employ though - like bouncing her on my knee, which usually tires her out and makes her drop off while she still feels part of what's going on. She will nap in her cot, but only if nothing exciting is going on - if we have guests round then there's no hope!

Green, so sorry to hear about the situation with your Dad. I hope you feel better now the decision's been made - however horrible it was to make it.

Hurrah for S's crawling Dream, and for the brooking baby walking from Pomme, Too and Jaggy's DCs! Very early Jaggy! :) DD is 10 months today... everyone keeps telling me she'll be walking soon, but we'll see. She's happy to stand unaided (normally when playing with something - soft toys being the favourite!), but hasn't yet shown an interest in taking any steps. I think it'll be a little while yet but we'll see!

Too, hope you have success with the sleeping. I can normally tell if I have any hope of getting Iz back to sleep by the way she reacts to me - this is if she wakes up around 5.30/6am, as she did this morn (6am). If it looks like she won't sleep I often bring her in with us to try and get a little bit more myself!

One of my friends had her DD today! Is it normal to be completely ?! So broody, argh! Any TTC thoughts, those who are going round again? Too..? That said, DD has decided she likes cuddling again, and will come and give a cuddle and kisses on request when asked, so at least I can get the odd cuddle. Still not the same as a newborn snuggle! :)

Musical, I am totally broody! We have decided to ttc in the summer (ie, July for an April baby) instead of waiting til October as per our original plans. I want to lose a stone first...today is day 1 of the diet (again)! M has just really learned to cuddle and kiss (ie, smear snot across my face and hair while biting me) and it is very sweet.

Glad it's not just me Too! Eeeeee summer is so soon! How exciting! Purple said she was thinking of Sept time on FB.. I'm a tad jealous .

Same here re cuddling - Iz has just learnt how to do it off her own back rather than me just grabbing her, iykwim. Very sweet. The snot side less so .

Had our boiler replaced on Friday (v expensive, now have no money). Knew we'd have to do it some time this season, but the water board replaced our stopcock, which caused an increase in pressure, which caused the old one to die! Now there's water coming through the kitchen ceiling.... which is being caused by one of the pipes going into the boiler - not a leak though, but condensation. To cure it we may have to pull up all the floorboards around the pipes, and potentially destroy the bathroom. Not feeling particularly positive today :(

Hoping that if it comes to that it can all be done on insurance.. but it's still a :( thought.

Musical, two women on my angels and rainbows thread (ie, pg after a stillbirth) who gave birth at about the same time as I had M are pregnant again - and both have a fair few kids already! One was pg with twins but had another scan today and they can now only see one sac (at about 6 weeks gone, so room for error). I am so ! I want another baby...or two, despite Dream's cautionary tale of the difficulties of twins.

I'm a bit drunk, can you tell? It's our 6th wedding anniversary and I'm on the prosecco.

Oh no re boiler and no money!

I meant to say that I met up with Stacks and she is lovely! And little T is so adorable and in no way made me even broodier M was very impressed and showed off a lot - and demonstrated the hazards of changing nappies when your child can wriggle like a fiend.

They are all pretty bad nights here! I am still trying the not doing much method but it's taking much longer to see progress with DS2. The difference being he doesn't have a nice wee routine like DS1 did and he doesn't suck his thumb. I did try a routine with a story before last feed etc, but he's getting tired while we put DS1 to bed and it all goes wrong.

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