Jan 06 babies - no sleep til....!

[GeorginaP]

Hi there. Anyone feel up to joining me from Jan 06 ante-natal thread?

good point with the travel cot SK - Clemmie has ours at the childminders, but maybe I should get hold of another one - probably easier to store away than a playpen too.

Hope snot receding! :)

Morning all

Sweetkitty - makes you wonder what planet HVs are on doesn't it!!
We're joining you in snotsville here. Dom keeps choking on it dribbling down his throat poor mite. As a result I'm a bit worried about going down to see my dad before his op now (supposed to be going down to Devon next week for a visit) trouble is, if he catches it his op will be postponed & he (understandably) wants it out the way as soon as poss. Guess I'll have to make a judgement call nearer the time & hope the colds clear quickly. I so want to see him though.

Tickle - you sound so organised!!!! obviously comes with practise (and necessity I suppose)

Chuffed - We're not getting Dom jabbed either. He's having the immunisations homeopathically (well, DPT anyway for the moment) We just couldn't commit to it at the moment. Not saying we wont in the future though but it's a difficult call if you're unsure isn't it.

Hope you've all got a bit of lovely sunshine after all that rain to perk you up. x

I think I must have something wrong with my hormones..I am just soooo broody for another baby today!!!

Hi all! Had a fab mother’s day, took dp’s mum and dad for Sunday lunch with all our lot, felt very proud of them all (when on their best behaviour). The house is like a florists, dp’s dad even bought me a plant from Finn. Had some fab news today I don’t want to jinx relating to a friend and a BFP (please please stick, little bean).

Iris – I’m feeling a bit broody too, I think I need a toddler to put me off! We’ve gone well past the ‘can we afford it’ stage, the only huge cost is childcare for 2. We went to the dentist the other day and the receptionist said ‘ooh you have got your hands full!’ when they were all just sitting there quietly! She also said ‘are you going to stop now?’ which I get a lot and I find really rude from strangers, especially in front of the other kids. I must work on a really good (and not too rude) reply. I consider my kids to be an asset to society!

Hope you all get well enough to see your dad. Lyra – hope you’re all better too.

Tickle – before I went on mat leave I ordered loads of stationery to see me through the year (ds2 age 9 is currently doing a project on Shakespeare!). However I am still filling in forms with pencil. I know where all the socks are – they’re inside Billy! Made the huge mistake of buying the same pants for ds1 and 2 – ds1 was in some pain when he came home from school that day…

I’ve been thinking about a playpen to keep Finn and Billy licking distance apart. I’m not sure about a travel cot combo, although I do need one. I like the look of those ‘babydan’ playpens that can be used as a room divider and outside or as a play tent, anyone used one?

Barrelrider – you will know when Dominic is ill, only you know what is normal for him re feeding, crying etc. Trust your instincts.

Chuffed – wow, 3 months already! Happy birthday to dd.

Sweetkitty – I hate that Edinburgh scale for depression, HVs just seem to want to get it out of the way in their embarrassment which is hardly conducive to asking for help. As you say, some of it relates to normal motherhood and what are they going to do about it anyway?

Hi everyone

The sun is finally shining here after a very dull and dreary morning. I'm currently waiting on a friend popping in for tea and cake (homemade, I am so impressed with myself! I don't know how you do it Tickle).

Scarlett had the first of the three sets of jabs yesterday. It wasn't as awful as I had anticipated, and she soon forgot all about it - but yesterday evening she was very unsettled, and we didn't have a very good night either. This morning she seemed happier, but this afternoon she's been back to her old 'colicky' ways. I just hope it doesn't last! Hoe did you get on Lilstarry? I must admit I didn't ponder very long or hard about wether she needs these jabs - I think I just wanted the peace of mind of knowing that she's 'protected'. But I am dreading the MMR next year... I will have to do some serious reading around before that, so that I feel I'm making a more informed choice.

Iris, I am so impressed with your social efforts - I can just about cope wih one organised activity per day, and not every day of the week either! We're booked in for baby massage classes too, but not until May (that's the soonest I could get in, they seem to be so over-subscribed). Let us know how you get on, and how Dom finds it?

Did any other mum's miss out on their Mother's Day pressies? My DH obviously didn't pick up on any of my very unsubtle hints, as I got nothing from my daughter - not even a 'pretend' card! I am a bit disappointed, even though I know it's silly, because poor little Scarlett is completely oblivious to the whole event! Still, my dad did cook us all Sunday lunch (well, I did the meat - Sophie Grigson's 24hour roast pork, yummy scrummy), and DH did all the running around and tidying up, so I did at least have an easy day.

Better go, the red one is calling. Hope everyone's got a nice weekend lined up?

PS: Georgie, I wracked my brains for a guilty fancy-man-celeb, but I couldn't come up with one!!

Just a quickie as I had to share....

Mollie had her g'friends over to play this afternoon. Theirs mums are old friends of mine so we just natter and let the girls get on and play. Lovely afternoon here so we just opened they just went into the garden and straight on the trampoline. 15 mins later all three of them were butt naked and bouncing up and mooning us . Seems like all of them wanted a feel the wind whistling thru their cheeks!!

Was too funny for words. Three 4 yr olds whooping with delight and not a care in the world as they flashed their hoo-hoos to the next door neighbours .

Now don't you wish you could do that????

G xx

I had an inappropriately erotic dream about Laurence Llewellyn-Bowen the other night! I blame you lot for planting the idea in my subconcious . Actually I think it was seeing him on 'millionaire' - he was so lovely with his wife (and I'm impressed that she is no twiglet!).

Loomer, you are so right to do your own research into immunisations. MMR is a long way off yet but as an ex-medical researcher I would not hesitate to 'jab' Finn as I did with my older kids. Measles can be really nasty. A close friend's healthy baby caught measles at 9 weeks (from her big brothers who had'nt been immunised). Although everyone was surprised she caught it at all, she went on to develop encephalitis (swollen brain) and was left with severe learning difficulties and autism. The risks of the jab are still less than those of the actual disease. Remember a lot of the original research was only based on a handful (of already sick) kids and no-one has ever been able to adequately replicate his findings. A recent 25yr longitudinal study in Japan found no increase in autism etc associated with MMR. Sorry, lecture over! It is your right as a mother to make your own informed choice for your child. If you aren't happy, don't do it.

Georgie, blimey are you having a heatwave?! I'd keep that girl away from Twickenham!

We were once driving (late as usual) to ds2's bday party. I had just picked up dd from nursery (she was about 3?) and I asked ds1 to help change her into her party dress in the back of the car while I drove. Later on we were all sitting in a circle playing some game when some woman came up to me and said 'your daughter has no knickers on!'

Hallo All! The sun is shining :) It's still windy (when is Norfolk not windy?) but ooo the sun! Glad to hear we're not the only ones benefiting, although I'm not sure it's warm enough to be naked on a trampoline (not yet anyway ) I love how carefree little 'ens are! It's inspiring, but I'll stop before I start getting all poetic heh!

Well, what a poo-filled few days we've had! In the last three days Bee has filled (with bright yellow goo) 18 nappies Loomer Bee dealt with the jabs much better than I did, I agree - I didn't think twice, I knew I needed her to have them because I suffer from a low immunity! She didn't get particularly restless, however I've been advised the rash and the poo were both probably side effects of the immunisations.. so watch out for that! Our poor washing machine is working overtime!

Rach69- I was surprised by just how genuine and charming Lawrence was! It shut my mum up who kept asserting "Smug tw*t", I'm pretty sure by the end of the show she was equally taken, but then she's always held a soft spot for Mick Hucknall so I'm not sure how far I trust her opinion (sorry to any Simply Red fans!)

Am feeling much better, my dad is still alive which is the best sign possible, he's never going to be well, and he'll need constant care.. but fingers crossed he'll stop drinking and Bee will actually get to know her grandfather! I think the sleep last night helped! Bee went through from 8-30 till 4, she did wake at midnight but I put her on her tummy.. I know, I know! Do any other parents do this? Bee still suffers bad gas on occasion and the best thing seems to be for her to lie on her front! I have no problems with this during the day as I can keep my eye on her, but I am loathe to do it at night.. unfortunately sometimes it seems to be the only thing that will help her sleep! I figure our parents all put us on our fronts and I'm fine (a little loopy but I think that's due to something entirely different!)

Iris66 - More babies :) Actually, I've gone from wanting to wait for years to wanting another one in about 2 years time! It's terrible really, you have one and everyone starts asking about your future child-related plans! I'm enjoying this one at the moment, but know it is something I'll have to seriously consider!

Chuffed - Bee is only 9 weeks old and already heavier than your LO . She is now 11lbs :) That said she doesn't look it, and everyone is always surprised when I tell them! She must have very dense bones!

Right, well I have to be off, Bee is awake (after a 15 minute power nap - sigh-), I've just had my Uni Course Units through so need to make decisions about what I want to study in September!
Love and sparkles to you all
xxx

what's a longitudinal study? is that the same as epidimiological ?

Twiglett - epidemiology is non-invasive medical research where the incidence (number of new cases) and prevalence (number of cases per 1000/population) of disease etc is studied/measured (think of a running tap pouring into a sink - the running water is incidence, the sink is prevalence, the water that gets through the plughole is death or recovery!). It's basically statistical information looking at very large numbers.

A longitudinal study isn't necessarily medical, it tracks a specific cohort (group) of cases (eg people) over a 'long' amount of time (eg anything from 1 to 25 years). It may use surveys or questionnaires to measure whatever it is interested in. The key is to study the same people every time. You could say the TV programmes 'the child in our time' or '7up' are longitudinal studies following children from birth. My new baby is part of a longitudinal study (from 6 weeks before his birth) looking at the effects of probiotic supplements on the development of allergy and atopy.

Hope this helps!

This could be my very first link (if it works) to a discussion of the significance of the Japanese findings. I think it is important to always question:

WHO funds the research?
WHAT is the agenda of the researchers?
WHO are they studying?

\link{http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7076\link}

Please don't get at me if you are anti-immunisations, I'm just presenting a bit of evidence. I don't necessarily think they are right for everyone.

Rach - useful link The "what" on most of the sites is always the one that gives me the most trouble as I feel there are few that are truly objective (the "don't do it" ones often being the easiest to pick holes in unfortunately)DD had all the jabs & she's fine but there's just something stopping me doing it the conventional way with Dom at the moment. Time & more ferreting around getting info will confirm my stance one way or another over the coming months I guess.

Georgie - at the girls in their nuddypants - sounds like something we all should do once in our lives!!

Loomer - the social whirl isn't quite as hectic as it came across. Merely giving myself a focus for each day & the chance to meet some other adults! Today has dragged awfully & as DD is working tonight & all weekend it's likely to be a bit lonely here. DH hasn't called since Wed & no e-mails either I am so bloody knackered but, hey ho, options? - none - so just got to get on with it (apologies for the grump)

Hope your DH makes up for his oversight on your birthday btw. Are you going to buy a fathers day prezzie from Scarlett to make him feel really guilty?

Hope everyone else is ok. Just going to drool over (ahem, I mean watch) Trevor Eve in Family Man - highlight of my launch into the weekend. have a good one all

rach .. would like to discuss .. am not anti-imms but am pro-choice and anti-spurious research being promoted as fact by medical / journalistic / well-meaning people

not sure I should be haunting this thread though .. as I don't have a jan 06 baby .. possibly elsewhere we can chat

only found you cos I did a name search on twig to see if I'd missed any posts to me

Hi girls

Quickie on the imms - I have had them all for our children but did think long & hard. However, no fam history of allergies or problems reassured me. A close friend with a dd same age as my ds1 didn't immunise, and her dd got whooping cough. Never realised how nasty it is - she was coughing for a good six months (!!) and at its worst she was up at night throwing up phlegm (sp?) She also got chicken pox at the same time, poor wee thing :(

Rach I know what you mean about the 'stopping now?' questions, as we too have 4 little angels. Not sure mine are as good at 'best behaviour' as yours tho?!

And Loomer - my DH wouldn't know mother's day if it hit him in the face with a kipper, but my mum makes a fuss of me. She also asks him unsubtle questions about whether he has 'arranged anything for Sunday?', which makes him even more determined to ignore it. I'll just wait til the kids can use a calendar :)

Georgie - PMSL at the trampoline image A photo for the 21st birthday celebrations perhaps? Unless you have over zealous staff down at the local Boots that is...

Been working on the email tonight for our business - finally got it set up. Yay! Now I just have to work out how to put one of those clever links on our website so people can email directly {{brain imploding emoticon}}

Have a good weekend all :)

Hey all
Rach I'm not anti imms but just feel that it is a lot at one time for little babies and for older kids. We all had one at a time.
What gets me about MMR is I had one jab for measles and one for Rubella that lasted all my life. the kids will get it at say 2, 4 then again at 18 they are now recommending another, so could they not just have one when it is appropriate? Just makes me mad as there is no option for single jabs in NZ and we missed out in UK as we were due to start on july 7 and couldn't then couldn't get another appt before we left.
Will get the jabs done, both dd and ds are on homeopathy at the mo to increase their immunity first then we'll do jabs when they are strong.
Wouldn't think about not immunising ds as he is at playcentre with dd 2 days a week with lots of older kids to pass bugs, colds etc to him and I would hate for him to get whooping cough. I think that is probably his biggest danger.
Love the idea of 3 naked girls on the tramp.
Anyway - take care all

Hi lovely ladies

rach - fab info about immunisations. thanks for that. mollie's had all her jabs (actually slept on her nursery floor for 2 nights after she had MMR in case she got any side effects) and Libby has had first set and will be getting 2nd set next week. only take them for jabs when they are 100% healthy and have a full tum.

have got my girls lunch this arvo. am feeling a little green around the gills though as DH and I got a little squiffy last night and jumped all over each other (god I LOVE my husband ). am such a lightweight on the drinking front these days... maybe that's something I shouldn't be boasting about as it implies I was a complete lush before I got pg

anyway, just wanted to hop on quickly and wish everyone a great weekend. hope all little ones behave and big ones too!

will catch up properly tomorrow. will prob be able to smell the alochol fumes and hear me whimpering pitifully as head pounds and stomach churns.....

laters funky chicks

g xx

Hi All
Just a quickie to touch base. On the Immunisations, I think I'd rather immunise than risk the diseases, but I found it so upsetting holding Lola while they jabbed her last time that DH is doing it this next time (a week on Wednesday)and I'll be ready in the waiting room to give soothing cuddles.

Met up with Eshay and her gorgeous wee baby Alex for coffee and some retail therapy last week. Was lots of fun and I'm now mega broody for a wee boy!!

Got taken for my Mothers day lunch this Sunday, a week late as I had a hellish gall stones attack the night before MD and after driving around for a while looking for a nice pub for lunch I had to ask Andy to take me home and I was sick as a dog. Went to a lovely pub called the Royal Oak in Pirbright, will deffo go again.

hello everyone

feeling really weepy and scared that i'm getting pnd again.

last week was a really hard one with dh and the big ones being ill and this week me and the baby have gone down with a throat / achey type bug. i took alex to the doctor yesterday to get him checked over and he's fine, just snotty and grotty really.

i started to feel low on sunday and last night i woke up to feed at about 1.30 and haven't really been back to sleep. now i can't stop crying. sorry to bring you all down, but i just wanted to talk to someone. now i've started crying i just can't seem to stop. i should probably post on another thread, but i just wanted to talk to you guys.

Oh Lyra I'm so sorry you're feeling so blue lovely. Though it's hardly surprising after everyone's been ill. The tiredness is going to take its toll too when you've been looking after everyone as well as feeling ill yourself. Is your mum better & could she take Alex for a few hours to give you a break? Don't jump to conclusions about the pnd though but maybe it would help to speak to someone?

back in a bit - Dom needs feeding xxxx

Lyra - have you got any pulsatilla left in your labour homeopathy kit? It's the main remedy for hormonal imbalance/pnd. My homeopath recommended keeping a stash & taking it if I started to feel emotionally off kilter.

Also (and bear with me here) make a loose fist (either hand) and where your ring finger touches your palm is the solar plexus point. Gently massage it with your thumb (you can massage some rescue remedy in if you like) it's very calming and will help you breathe more deeply & evenly.

Sorry to rush the post but I've got to go out in a bit before heading off to see parents but feel free to text/call anytime. Hope your day improves hon - Will be thinking of you

forgot to add .... (((((((((hug)))))))))

thanks iris
i actually feel a lot better after having a good cry. plus it's a sunny day and my mum is coming over to give me a hand as you suggested. hope you have a good day with your parents.

Oh Lyra, you sound like you are completely worn out :( Iris's advice sounds good (as ever!) I think it's good that you just keep talking about it and not bottle it up. I have emailed you my mobile number - if you ever want to talk or just text, feel free - I think it is often easier to let it out to someone outside your immediate family and friends :) {{{{{{Big hugs too}}}}}}

Iris - hope all goes well with your visit to your dad - thinking of you too.

Lyra - I'm sending you stars and rainbows in a hope to bring a little cheer into your life.
It definitely helps to talk about it, and I wouldn't start trying to define it as PND, I mean - I don't think there's any mum in the world who can honestly say she hasn't had a bad day (week/month)... it's terribly hard and from the sounds of it you are doing a brilliant job!

I recommend some herbal tea, a warm bath and take away for tea.. forget trying to cook, indulge yourself in the smallest of ways!

Hope you feel better soon,
love x