June mummies '05 thread 7 -The one with their first Christmas

[katzglitterytree]

hello all

come and join us new and old junies

morning mums wow have i have been having trouble with mumsnet grrrrrr.

Trib, the follow on milk doesn't fill them up more. It is just more concentrated. It's designed so that the get the same level of nutrition ffrom the formula when they are drinking less of it (because they are now eating food). It won't harm him any. Just make sure you don't exceed the daily recommended amount (so as not to overdose him on the vitamins in the formula).

DS moved to the follow on (Aptimil for us) last month, but DH was feeding him more formula that was recommended so I swapped back to the infant milk just to make sure we don't overdose him on recommend daily allowance of the vitamins in formula).

Cheers Welshie and Uwila. It was the extra vits that were concerning me - ds is still quite a hungry little chap and not on solids at all yet, so I wouldn't want to limit his milk intake. (Not to mention he has to be allowed to vomit at least a third of it back up every day, obviously).

Hey ho, back to Tesco we go.

De-lurking to say hello and hugs to the Junies. Its lovely to read all your reassuring posts about nursery, DD starts 4 days a week in January and I am back to work then. I am of course dreading it and know I will miss her terribly . I'm hoping she loves it, as I sometimes think she gets a bit bored with me and our routine at home.

Also very interested to hear how weaning is going, especially those of you who are still breastfeeding. I am going to try and keep breastfeeding once I start back at work, but don't know how dd will manage in the day, she's never taken a bottle, but I have got her drinking a tiny bit of water out of a boots trainer cup (with a teat like spout) and today she took about an oz of milk from it, so fingers crossed . Also, really not looking forward to raising the subject of expressing at work with our HR department, but will have to bite the bullet on that one too.

EYM - just to echo others thoughts for you this Christmas, with your great family around you, I hope you manage to have a lovely time, and remember all the happy times with your mum .

How is Christmas shopping going for everyone. I have done nothing - thats right, nothing yet, but I may go a buy some wrapping paper (for the as yet non-existant pressies) today - chicken or egg????????????

Afternoon. Thanks for all your messages, they made me feel better. As did the box of dairy milk.... Tld dh it was all his fault for not being a millionaire! Poor man!
Anyway, no new news. Am off to nearest town to try and find secret santa gift!

im getting fed up grrrrrr

morning mums xxxxxxxxxx

sorry kvg meant katz email for pressies
just trying to work out what this person might like

party went well the other nite,tryed new anagram game i did make it very easy but had a lot of balnk faces lol.

As for the snatch raffle maybe ishould knock it on the head, we nearly had a full cat fight lol
some girls are bitchey .

As for the thread talking about nurseries, ive got to say girls as most of you know im a baby room supervisor, senior nusery nurse, and as i said before if you have no other alternative which im in the same boat too might i add, then by placing your baby in a nursery is absoultly fine, i can only talk from experience and id like to hope that all the babies i have looked after in the past (five years) have grown and developed with my help and support but ive also got to say ive supported their mums too and i have always worked with their own individul routines, to help mum and to settle the baby in my care, ive always welcomed input from the parrents, and even developed my own profiles on each of the babies in my care. Ive just got to say please do not feel guilty for placing your babies in a nursery, but what im going to do if you dont mind is start a thread so you may ask all the appropriate questions and so you feel re assured that your baby will get 100% care i hope thats ok and i hope this helps you wonderful mums hugs.

Aw Yorkie - what a nice, kind thing to do. I'm sure I will have a few questions for you - thanks in advance!

Am not even going to think about the snatch raffle..

Hi all,

Hope all is going OK. Mandymac - weaning is going well here, three reasonable meals a day and I'm still bfing. At the moment he has five breastfeeds a day, but I'm wondering whether I can cut that down. I'm going to have to do bits and pieces of work in January but want to carry on morning and pre-bed feeding as long as possible.

All going OK here - ds still going through the night (I'm really starting to believe in it now).

OK. Now I know this is going to sound terribly ungrateful but since sleeping through the night he has gone from four naps a day totalling about 4 hours to three 30 minute naps a day. Help????

Oh and welcome back Trib (no longer a cyber-leper, bet it feels good).

Afternoon,

Just wanted to say hello to everyone.I've been so busy that I haven't even been lurking...much.Hope all is well.We've been decorating and Ds has had hospital appointments(which have all gone well).Our tree is still alive and looking fantastic-only 2 weeks to go.
Have just bought a dvd camcorder and can't wait for it to arrive-that's my christmas pressie to me,lol!
Haven't read posts but will eventually catch up soon.
Trib-We've tried taking formula back to toys r us and was told they woud take anything back except this.Apparently it's all to do with health and safety.I even had the reciept.Let us know what Tesco's said-I'll be interested to see what their policy is.
Must dash and wrap the secret santa pressie.xxx

Bubba, how mad. So you could take back fresh meat or something you could have tampered with [hmm, poss not to Toys R Us!], but not formula. Oh well, will see what Tesco say, and if need be I'll put these in the cupboard until he's on solids. Glad ds' hospital appointments have gone well.

Lummox, cyber-leper no more, although if we had waited for our ISP to get round to having BT fix the fault on the line we would still be waiting til (and I quote) "some time next week" - nice and specific then. The ISP is after us to pay the £47 moving house fee since they generously 'moved' the internet connection (except it doesn't work) and now we are ungraciously leaving them (because it doesn't work).

EYM, great idea about the nursery thread. Many of us are going to have to face up to it whether we like it or not, much better to be reassured. At the mo I am not sure if I can really imagine working full-time again, not least the idea of being away from ds for so long every day. I would never see him!

Giddy just emailed ya hunny xxxxxxxxx

aw thanks mandy and big hugs to you too lovely to see you.

Hello
Just to let you know I am still here. We have had a bad few nights as dd2 has had a cold and another tooth which have kept us all up LOTS at night. Better night last night though thanks to Medised and she only woke twice. Normal for her. I am looking forward to weaning in the next couple of weeks. I can confirm that dd2's first solids was DH's Christmas card though confirmed by unequivocal evidence in her nappy . I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Went for the former though as she seems fine thank goodness. She will obviously handle the solids OK when I introduce them .
WARNING RANT TIME -
When people ask what dd is eating and I say I haven't started weaning yet why do they feel the need to tell me step by step how to wean and what I can offer?? Do they really think I am not doing it yet because I don't know how? Do they think dd1 found her own food?? Grrrrr . Sorry, it drives me potty. I don't go into reasons or criticise their decisions and I am fed up with the looks of pity directed at dd1 and me for 'witholding' food from her. I am doing what I am happy with and consider right for us and not doing it because I think it is the easy option (it isn't when I am bf too) and they can all naff off'
RANT OVER, thank you.
Have to run now. Take care all xxx

Well said,Skyler.

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I'm loving the image of your dd1 foraging for food, hunting down beetles and possibly the odd mouse Skyler

I think I actually am holding off weaning cos I don't know what to do and can't face all the extra sterilising and stuff. My mum does keep making comments about it, but unless she's prepared to come round and start pureeing potatoes for me, I think it's my decision. I don't think anyone else has asked me what he's eating, that's what you get for working with a bunch of blokes, they couldn't care less.

Must be hard going for you bfers, although I will say that ds is probably taking less milk now that in days gone by, he certainly doesn't seem hungrier.

Skyler - am pretty sure ds's first solid food was a thunderbug (well, two actually, I'm embarrassed to say).

On the weaning, the French doctor who did ds's jabs actually said that it was doing him harm to not be eating at four months. This was the guy who told us that my milk was too rich for the baby.

Oh, and at the appointment for the third set of jabs last week, the doctor told us that we shouldn't be letting ds sit up for more than twenty minutes a day. I just smile whilst thinking "la la la, I'm not listening".

There's a great book called Perfect Parents which goes through theories of childcare over the last four hundred years or so, ending with Gina Ford and Penelope Leach. It is fantastic for making you think that most theories about child-rearing come and go and say more about their proponent than they do about eternal truths.

It made me feel more confident in my view that (within limits) my baby was going to be happiest if I was left to get on with things as it seemed right to me. Especially because thre is so much support (not least on this thread) from people whose views I do value.

Lummox - Lol at the thunder bug and at your doctor. How funny!
Trib - Lol at dd scavenging for food too. I think all insects have been warned to keep away.
Giddy - Sorry you are suffering with colds. I tend to administer medicine with a syringe even on dd1 tbh as I have had sticky Calpol over us all far too many times. She may well still spit it out though. My friend used to give Medised in her dd's bottle as her dd would NEVER take it. I do think it helps if you can her it in her. Also I had been giving dd 2.5 mls but upped it to 3 and this seemed to make a difference. I think you can give 5mls so try that and then hopefully if she spits half out she has still had 2.5 mls. 4.30 am wake ups Eeek poor you. You must be knackered. Are you still going to miss out on your medieval night out? That is a shame if you are. Are your computer probs sorted now apart from your inbox?
Baubleloo - Thanks . I try not to get bothered but the lady 'advising' me today (who is lovely by the way) was weaning her 3.5 month old on jars of egg custard..... I smiled and nodded along as usual but had to let off steam somewhere. Thank you ladies....
Mandy - dd1 never took a bottle, but she did take expressed milk from a beaker so I hope this works for you too. One less thing to wean dd off if you can avoid the bottle I suppose.
2many - Glad you are feeling better
Uwila - Great to see you .

Oh and Trib - Don't make the mistake I did and puree potatoes. They separate and go all funny with the starch. And of course they can just be mashed which gets them plenty smooth enough.
I read that if the babies are older when they are weaned then we don't need to bother with so many purees and can move onto finger foods fairly quickly. It is scary though trusting your baby to cope. Scan the weaning thread on here if you are worried, there are loads of different and good opinions. The idea seems daunting but it will all fall into place once you start.

Lummox, my DS only sleeps 3 hours in the daytime ? 45 mins in the morning and 2-21/4 hours at lunchtime. Although its a pain as you have to entertain them for longer, I think its the norm

EYM ? a nursery thread is a great idea. My DS will be starting nursery the week after next and I am dreading it. Any advice would be gratefully appreciated.

Skyler, rant away girl!!!! I do hate when people try to impart unwelcome advice.

Trib, I don?t know whether this is recommended, but I don?t sterilise anything to do with his food. This is mainly out of laziness, but it doesn?t seem to be affecting him adversely.

Have a good evening ladies, curry take away calling....

Quick post, More later. Was so struck by poor EYM earlier in the week. Thinking of you and your mum, tough time of year Xmas, if you've lost someone... The saddness never goes but I have learnt to live with it...sounds weird but I wouldn't want to not be sad or not miss those whos've gone too soon... Hope very much this isn't cheeky, but the lines below are taken from a poem that was read at my grandfather's funeral a few years back, he died very soon after my elder brother and it was a really really tough time. Several people in my family found it helped. It says "he" but the sentiment's there. The poet is called Brian Patten. Hugs xxx

"So how long does a man live after all?
And how much does he live, while he lives?
We fret and ask so many questions
Then, when it comes to us
The answer is so simple after all
A man lives for as long as we carry him inside us
For as long as we carry the harvest of his dreams
For as long as we ourselves live, holding memories in common
A man lives
His lover will carry his man's scent, his touch
His children will carry the weight of his love
One friend will carry his arguments
Another will hum his favourite tunes
Another will still share his terrors
And the days will pass with baffled faces
Then the weeks, then the months
Then there will be a day when no question is asked
And the knots of grief will loosen in the stomach
And the puffed faces will calm
And on that day, he will not have ceased
But will have ceased to be separated by death
How long does a man live after all?
A man lives so many different lengths of time. "

well doctor from the childrens hospital has phoned and said the dermatologist he thinks its an allergic reaction but what the hell can it be? she only has veg or baby rice or breastmilk