Dec 08 Mums - Snot Beards, Farty Boos and Willy Milk (not how it sounds!) - let the fun continue!

[Beans33]

Here we are x

Mmmmm...that is a very good point JJ, as much as its not fair I know if I was selling and I had 2 similar offers but one had a house sold and the other didn't actually have their house on the market I know who I would go for. Are you comfortable putting your house on the market or did you change your mind about Glasgow simply because you saw this house. Do you know if they have had other second viewings?

Just had the most amazing Thai takeAway yet again. They really know how to do it here - if you cant be in Thailand.
Vag, it was me and db, although dh tried to chip in. It's blown over now which is the good thing with my family. We sometimes really go at it but get it out and it's done. However im still a little miffed
Right, bed, and big flights..... Wish us luck with the littles. But ds still in good form.

oooh SL that's the best bit of hemingford rd - which S is it? We ideally want a bed 4/study for all dh's crap music, maybe the outhouse would work for that? definitely would be keen to take a look if sghe's thinking of going elsewhere.

Vag, Glasgow is dependent on lots of factors really and wouldn't be that soon if it does happen - have just been tempting myself with house porn! We would like to move soonish so that E can be in a safer room (spare room is right at the top of the stairs and has hot water tank/lots of shelves of crap music) so would probably be looking to put on market this year. No idea about other viewers yet, will ask on tues.

rubes, good luck for your flights!

So took the radical approach of actually telling DH how I feel and feel much better. I think I had decided he definitely didn't want another DC when actually he hasn't made up his mind. And actually it's a bit different since the MCs - if we hadn't had them then it would be a more abstract choice whereas now it's partly in the context of having been pregnant. Anyway - have leant SIL a bag of maternity clothes and we're going to give them the cot. I would rather think of a baby in the family in it than it languishing in the cellar (and actually - I should remember it's not actually our cot but my sisters). Reading that back quickly it sounds like baby would be languishing in cellar. . We've had fairly quiet day as poor DS is in a bad way again - he's been sick a couple of times and is curled up on the sofa having been in bed most of the day. I will take him to the Drs this week.

JJ hope things work out with house. I also want a kitchen that you can put a table in. Have a real thing for it. But we will be here for at least another 18months so I have to get over it.

Spot - I hope DS2 has been admitted ok and that tomorrow helps you get the treatment you need. Am thinking of you.

And of you too trace try not to get too anxious about going back to work. More important that you're better.

Lady am v impressed at your DD1 eating spaghetti. Go O - she'll be a gourmand in no time (DH went from a diet of bacon and carrots for 5 years to eating pretty much everything).

Arti . Maybe that's what we should do instead of pratting about talking about it.

Yes JJ - links please - you have to share. this is the house I want but we can't afford it for a while yet because it needs a tonne of work

Hello. Hope everyone is well.

Just popping on to share some good news. My DP popped the question last night and so I'm now engaged!!!! So so excited!!!!

Congratulations kayz that's lovely news

spot - I don't feel I can say anything much that is remotely any use, but am thinking of you and really hope you finally get some help and answers

urbs - I can totally understand the pratting about and talking about 3, we do the same, but if I were ever to do it, would probably be in an accidentally on purpose sort of way where we take no responsibility for any actual decision (not that I am suggesting anything about your action Arti, just know what I a like)

trace - glad there are some good days in there. Be easy on yourself

rubes - good luck with the flights back

LadyT - spaghetti eating sounds exciting - be interesting to see how that all pans out at home.

We've been out to a wedding today (distant rellies of DH so didn't really know anyone). Felt very odd leaving the DCs behind - somehow doesn't really feel right being apart from them in our leisure time. Mind you they had their own party to go to. Actually it was a party for one of DD's nursery friends and DS tagged along. Apparently at the end when she got her party bag DD went up to the mother and said "Excuse me, I have my little brother who came with me, can I have a bag for him?" Don't know whether to be pleased she was standing up for DS or slightly horrified.

Spot: hope all goes well today. Thinking of you.

Jolly: I will get onto it right away :). Can someone send me Jolly's address?

Urbs: glad you straightened things out with DH.

Arti: any chance the DDs can stay with family or friends while you sort stuff out? Or (better) can you and the girls head off for the weekend and your DH can do it .

We had a lovely weekend, eating in non-child friendly venues, going to the pub! at night! and reading the Sunday papers. We found a lot of nice places in Suffolk and Norfolk which we can visit again with the boys.

And congratulations to Kayz :). Great news.

Effie that sounds really lovely. Am in awe of your knitting skills. How is reduced hours thing going? Am pondering taking mine down again but have nanny issue...
Congrats Kayz - I hope you'll be very happy together.
Urgh. Have horrendous day at work ahead. On plus side it'll be over by tonight. Am sorely tempted to get on train to Brighton instead.
Spot - will be thinking of you and hope today goes ok.
And beans - it's tomorrow for test results- is that right? Am crossing things. Hope you enjoyed Barcelona.

people - where are you? I came here for light relief from gruelling day....sob.
DS is ensconced on sofa and giving me regular updates on his health ("I'm still feeling poorly enough to watch TV mummy").
in other news these are nice although I can't help thinking MNHQ have gone a bit emoticon crazy as of late.
Back to work.

Hello urbaneski. Am lurking on my phone while watching dd make and infernal mess eating lunch. Considering spoon feeding her some mushed banana but too lazy. Maybe baby led weaning for me after all!
How is your crap day going?

Love to all! Oh and congrats to kayz

Ladyt I was delighted to hear of your dd's spaghetti eating. I was similarly delighted when ds started to eat pasta. He still won't eat t with anything but pesto on it, or plain grated cheese but hey. You know 2 years ago if I had read myself saying it is exciting that your dd is eating spaghetti I would have thought I was taking the piss

Hope the beansmeister is having a good time in Barcelona.

Rubes looking forward to getting you back. Sorry to hear of fight with db.

Zoe you are right we need more clackereds. Haha iPhone just tried to turn clackereds into blackadder!! So you had better keep working on that resolution.

hello.
urbane hello! Sorry you have a gruelling day. I think what you were saying about the sadness over the cot and the maternity clothes is entirely rational and understandable. And it's good that you and dh have been able to be open with each other.
kayz congratulations! How are the boys?
jolly it's lovely to hear from you again. Hope dd2 is growing bigger and stronger every day.
I had a good time with my friend on Friday. Plenty of tears and hugs and smiles too. Good friends are very precious indeed.

Hi everyone! I'm trying to write this whilst rocking DS2 () in the sling and before DS1 rocks in the front door from the childminder.

Have been reading along loads as the iphone is my saviour in the wee hours but have not mastered one handed typing at all.

Spot - Thinking of you and wee B and hoping something can ease his pain soon. You are definitely owed easy teenage years after everything you've been through with your babies

Jolly - Sounds like you and your DD2 are doing amazing and how wonderful if she is able to breastfeed too amidst everything else

Arti - Happy new house! Moving is hell. I did it 5 times in 4 years including twice across the ocean and I still get sweats thinking about it

Veggie - Don't think I've said happy new house to you yet!

Lady - Hope tummy bugs have cleared off

Rubes- Am very impressed with your intrepid travels with littles in tow. I will definitely have to think of you when I'm moaning about our trip to Canada this summer

Urbane - Totally get your nostalgia about the cot. Also peeked at your house porn link and wow, gorgeous.

Trace - Sorry to hear you're down and hope that you're being as kind to yourself as you are to everyone else on here.

Beans - Sorry to hear about all your family health worries at the moment and that your Dad's surgery goes well.

ZJ and Kiwi and anyone else seeking clackerdom, sending you fertile vibes!

WG - Thank the lord for white noise!

All going reasonably well here. Feeding is our main problem because DS2 is tongue tied like his brother....
luckily I recognised it straight away and we are booked to have him snipped tomorrow at 5 pm. Counting the hours. Dreading every feed and he is feeding every 2 hours around the clock. Good news is that so far he hasn't lost any of his birthweight, but my nips are in tatters and I hate not enjoying feeding. Fingers crossed things improve on that front after tomorrow!

Other than that, things are going much better than I remember from the first time around with DS1. Makes such a difference not having to cope with the c-section recovery on top of everything else (thinking of you WG as you're doing just that!). We are also lucky to have both sets of grandparents on the scene, so DS1 has been well in hand. I feel a sense of panic at the thought of being on my own with both of them. Even with 3:1 ratio of adults to DS1, they haven't even managed to convince him to get out of his PJs the last few days! He was at the childminder today so everyone had a quiet day. I am now regretting dropping him down to 2 days/week and wish I had kept it at 3. I just don't know how to cope with both of them - DS1 is so big that it's impossible to physically wrangle him.

Will post my birth story soon. Could be a short one as I looked at my notes and it is recorded as a 2 hr 2o min labour because apparently the 1 hr 45 mins it took me to get to 4 cm don't count! The midwives reckon that if I had number 3 it might just shoot out.

Oh and congrats Kayz!

And Effie VERY jealous of your adult weekend. I welled up last night in jealousy thinking about how long it would be before I could stay up in the evening and watch bad telly without a feeling of terror about the night ahead. But I know the time passes quickly so I'm trying not to wish it away.

DS2 not convinced about the sling rocking. Expect he wants more feeding....brace the shredded nips....

Okay, DS1 still not here so....

Invis I finished the new Jonathan Franzen two weeks ago and LOVED it. Have you read it yet? I found it a real page turner as well as beautifully written and with amazing characterisation. I am still thinking about the characters daily even now.

JJ I love all things house and property so keep talking about your search!

mil on picking up a parking permit we have for the hospital - you know, the sort which you have to scratch off the date/time/month etc:
(in an amazed, overly impressed voice) "oh wow, what is this? i've heard of these before, but i've never seen one. gosh, how interesting"
places it down on the table like it is a precious antique

i have to say, they are being fabulous with madam (except mil insists on picking her up and carrying her everywhere which she doesn't like) if fucking infuriating. they are driving both me and dh INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNEEEE! but anyone who sits in our sitting room all day long for 4 days would do that. we have a tiny kitchen and a knocked through sitting room and dining room downstairs, so there isn't anywhere really to go when you are downstairs. i have been having a relative amount of rest (this child sleeps for britain during the day) which is fantastic, and am feeling a little terrified about it just being dh and me. but, like mom, must enjoy it as it goes so fast. and like mom, i have no idea how i am going to cope with both of them on my own. luckily enough dh has taken 4 weeks off work, because i can't lift madam in or out of her cot (or at least i'm not supposed to - am feeling fit enough to, i reckon). blinking cs!

kayz - congrats!

Loving the MIL stories WG!

My own DMum has just spent 20 minutes trying to convince me that it would be great if we had a climbing frame or swing in the garden because then I wouldn't have to go to the park all the time. Umm, yes I agree however our garden is about 2 m X 2m. When I mention this she says "Yes, I know you didn't want to fill your garden with loads of kiddie stuff but wouldn't it be nice. We would buy it." Right-o.

Mil: "are you on iron tablets?"
Me: "yes. And paracetamol and ibuprofen"
Mil: "is that for the pain?"
FFS what do you think it's for, woman?

Or am I being uncharitable?

Any advice? This child sleeps and sleeps during the day. Feeding her is a bit of an interactive task as I have to keep jiggling, stroking, tickling etc. She's coming up to another 4 hours since her last feed and it looks like I'm going to have to wake her up again. Is this normal? Shd I be worried? She's gaining weight, poos etc. Or shd I be grateful?

Oh, and have I mentioned how no one has yet asked either dh nor myself HOW WE ARE? And they have been in this house since Friday afternoon. Ugh ugh ugh.

Mil enters the sitting room, a look of triumph on her face: "iVe just managed to use your micro oven. I'm really impressed with myself!"

WG love it!

WG I've been waking him at 3 hours in the day because he is only going 2 hours at night mostly and I want to discourage the nocturnaldom. But if she's doing decent stretches at night too then I would stick with the 4 hours!

Mom, what are your poos like? We have lots, but they are all tiny. Just a smear of yellow most of the time. Am beginning to get a little concerned now. Am sure I remember the poos being much bigger and the baby fed more vigorously. Oh bugger

Poos are a mix but there have been some quite big messy ones in the last couple of days. Maybe others can confirm but isn't wee a better measure because pooing habits can vary so widely? It could be totally normal for her to have lots of small ones.

WG - from past experience, its not the poos you need to be too concerned about, but whether there is enough wee. The one thing possibly worth thinking about is colour of poo - I used to find if DCs were feeding poorly they were greenish, but yellow if feeding OK. The main thing is if her weight is going up you're fine.

Love the MILisms. Mental

MoM - am very excited as have just finally managed to get my mitts on a copy of Freedom today. Am mightly looking forward to it especially as the thing I have just finished (book club choice) was Book of the Night Women, which was a catalogue of unremitting grimness.