Dec 08 Mums - Snot Beards, Farty Boos and Willy Milk (not how it sounds!) - let the fun continue!

[Beans33]

Here we are x

It's great to hear from you (I miss Rambling Rubes!) so I'm not complaining about the run-by posts. Especially as you're on holiday .

Good luck for the move Avo! And I really like the sound of your house Veggie, particularly the spa bath.

Jam: number 3? How exciting :). I still get broody but I'm really not sure we could manage another one. Though I still have wistful thoughts about a little girl. Btw we haven't managed that coffee yet. Did I send you my mobile no? Next time you're in our neck of the woods please give me a bell :). If it's nice we can let the boys run riot in the park (or in the mud in our garden).

Good luck for the move arti. We will be here with and once you are safely in. I remember you talking about the house and how much you wanted it. I love it that we know so much about each other's lives on the thread and get to share things as they happen.

Hello Rubes, glad you are havibg a good time.

I am going to do some posting today or tomorrow for Jolly and Spot so please look out for them .

Right, quick respray before I set off for schoool. Love to all.

hello ladies.
Thank you all so much for your kind words, reassurance, encouragement and general loveliness. I'll give you a quick update...my CPN has spoken to the consultant who is covering my broken-leg-consultant, to see whether I need to increase my new pills. As she has never met me she's not happy to make any decisions without me seeing her, so on Tuesday I have an appointment with her (and my lovely CPN will be there too :)). My CPN made an appointment with me for next Thurs, and when I asked "what if I'm back at work by then?" she said "Traceface, you won't be back at work then.". So I don't know how long I'll be off for, but I'll ask the consultant about that on Tuesday. I have had some good days, which is encouraging. I have a super-duper friend from Manchester, who I grew up with, coming today. She knows all about my sruggles with depression and she used to suffer from anxiety herself, so I'm so pleased she's coming, although just thinking about her arriving makes me cry, so I think I'll be a blubbering wreck when she I actually see her.
Anyway...other stuff. Potty training...after a good start we had a few days of P peeing everywhere, so on Wed I burst into tears and put a nappy on her - which she then kept dry all day, taking it off to go for wees! So Yesterday we did pants again and she had no accidents! Strange. Rubs sorry about the meltdowns - we are having some - especially about getting in the car. SHe writhes and squirms and shouts and I have scared myself by feeling so worked up about it that I could have shaken her . But I know it's totally normal for their age and they have to test the boundaries to find out where they are and to know they are safe.
Beans I'm so sorry about all your family illness and worries - I really hope you get some good results. Have a great break.
arti hope all goes well settling into the new home. And thank you for reminding me that yes, I have been through dark times before and come out the other side
Urbs how is ds? How are you?
deids you are quiet! Come back soon
ZJ your night away sounded lovely - did you get back in time for a cuddle with dd? How is your new years resolution coming along?
wg it was so nice to read your birth story and how well you and dh are feeling. You are amazing.
vag your bath sounds fab. How do you manage to have a bath with the boys around? P would just try to climb in with me! TV just doesn't work with her. Grr.
JB how are you doing? It's tiring going to and fro from home to hospital - make sure you take care of yourself and get lots of rest. Don't forget you've had major surgery. I love the name
ladyT hope your belly is on the mend. How rotten to be poorly on holiday.
Sorry to all I've missed.

Hi Trace, thanks for the update, its nice to hear how you are getting along. How do you feel about having to go through everything with this new consultant. It's good your CPN will be there. I can identify with the TT frustration, it hurts me to remember how frustrated, upset and screamy I used to get about DS1 when he was toilet training. You said the other day that you were upset because making a cup of tea felt like a big achievement, & here you are toilet training P! I am putting it off because I really feel I can't cope with all that again, and you are doing it. Can you see that you are doing well sweetie. Also I think putting her back in the nappy when your at your wits end is such a good idea. I didn't do it with DS1, until I finally relented and put him in pull ups (after 2 months). I think doing it gives both of you a little break from the relentlessness of it. The stupid HV and GF-ites made it seem that if I put him back in nappies that would be it he would be mentally scared for life. But seriously the levels of frustration I was experiencing were way more likely to scar both of us beyond recognition.

Stupid bloody bum poo bank! I went there yesterday to unlock my card because I had messed up my pin and locked myself out if it. The women unlocked it, but for some reason it is still locked but only at ATMs and some retailers. It's quite random and I don't know which ones will take it and which will come up as locked out. So I have to go back to the bank today to sort it out.

Hulloooo lovely ladies! Just a quick one. Tum all better only confined to barracks for 24hrs. Been reading and having an indecent amount of massages. I'm not v brown but it's a bit hard to juggle sunbathing with the tinies, of course. Jolly - beautiful names. Actually, you strike me as a Juliet yourself (though I know that's not your name) - isn't that strange? Good luck for the move, our Arti. Rubes, thinking you'd lost DS sounds just horrendous...I have only had that for mere seconds. Trace, I am relieved you aren't being rushed back to work. Keep on batting my love. And Jam - you dark horse! May I just point out to the ladies that are contemplating extending their family, you probably have another four weeks to squeeze in another babe before the end of 2011! Vag, I am glad you are settling in a tad and Spot - I honestly think of you every day. I know I have missed people but I have to zip off now - however I will be catching up with everyone on my retun on Mon. And especial love to Beans re: Dad and MIL, and Invis for MIL. I know about that waiting for results and stuff and, well, I'm crossing everything crossable. In other news - DD1 ate spaghetti. Bear in mind we have never been able to get her to eat pasta EVER.

Welcome back LadyT .

Just had an email to say that my job application was unsuccessful. I did all that work and slightly humiliated myself for nothing. Still, nothing ventured etc. Am going out for a run shortly otherwise it would be wine o'clock here.

Hurrah for spagetti eating, little Miss O! Has she had it more than once LadyT? DD isn't a pasta fan, which is annoying as it is so easy to cook and vary with different sauces

Lovely to hear your latest Trace, I bet you've had a great day with your friend, I've been looking forward to it since I read your post, as you were so excited, and I don't even know her! Your CPN sounds great, and nit going back to work isn't so bad now the weather is improving . Still trying to achieve our New Years Resolution, which is quite fun

Are you in Arti? I hope you've found the kettle and corkscrew? I noticed you berating Jam over sly mentions of number 3, but no reference from yourself missy. So what is your latest there, hmmm?

This is the first time since August 2009 (ish) there hasn't been a clackeroo in our midst. And it barely seems 5 minutes since Beans announced her BFP

X posted Sybs, that is crap, I'm sorry to hear that. Have they given any feedback yet? Get that wine breathing, ready for when you get back from the run

Just really quickly, the meltdowns must have been that ds was sick as he confirmed today that he is feeling much better and we had a marvellous day out at Fitzroy Island with not one meltdown. Ds and dd were absolute angels. He is back to his normal happy self just typical 2 days before we leave!
Hope all well as not had time to read yet again! But full service will resume shortly!

It's always in hindsight that the reasons for tanties become obvious, I find Rubes. Did you get the extension of your holiday then Rubes?

Lovely name Jolly. Elizabeth is also our DD's middle name. And
well done for arguing what you wanted on BF.

Sybs sorry to hear that and about being told by email. Is that normal? We always talk to people. I don't know what's better though.

Rubes at losing DS story. My only real experience of losing either of them was at the RFH when DD decided to go home with Arti . Heart stopping. Glad your DS is feeling better.

Arti hope you're getting settled in and enjoying all the space. How have the girls found the move? Are they excited?

We have just put the cot away and DD is now in her brother's bed (we bought him a bigger bed at ikea this morning). Am as am not sure we'll have the cot again. I am stupidly sentimental anyway but those day to day things - all those nights I've spent standing over the cot or putting them down to sleep. Household objects get invested with such meaning. [ponce] Seems odd to think that I won't hear the sound of her rattling around in it. She seems to have stayed in the bed though. So fingers crossed. I've also just got out my nice maternity stuff to lend to SIL tomorrow and is a bit tough given theoretically I would have had a use for it. Sigh. I know - bundle of fun. Rubbish TV calls I think. Hope you're having slightly more dynamic saturday nights.

Urbs, I can't get started on sentimentality I'll tear up. I'm so teary lately, just thinking of your so sweet DS in a big bed.... I was listening to a Paul Kelly album and kept welling up (I think only Rubes will know who I'm talking about).

Sybly, did you ever ask them about that question?

Hello everyone,

Thanks for all your lovely thoughts and nice comments on DD2's name. Writing DD2 feels very strange!

effie A little hat would be wonderful if you have time! Her head is teeny tiny at the moment, it is drowned in the newborn size hats we had for DD1.

vag Oh yes please do let your friend know how helpful I found the link she sent, and her words of encouragement! I've tried to breastfeed DD2 a couple of times but she is still too sleepy to give it much of a go. The nurses have said that she may just not have much of a sucking and rooting reflex yet.

JJ Thank you so so much for the baby clothes. They are perfect! The poor child was disappearing into the ones we had. Do let me know your address so I can reinburse you for the postage.

Sorry not to say more hellos but I'm absolutely shattered. It is really hard to balance time with DD1, trips to the hospital, expressing every 3 or 4 hours etc etc. Early night I think.

oh golly. DH and I are pondering moving house down here (rather than up to Glasgow!) and have a second viewing on a place on Tuesday. It's three streets down from our place, so stil in the area we love. Ticks all the boxes - 2 loos (!), bathroom on the same floor as childrens' bedrooms, study room to put all DHs's music in, garden 50% bigger than ours and less overlooked, kitchen/diner with enough space for a table (for some reason it's very important to me to have a table in the kitchen rather than what we have at the mo, kitchen then a single 'downstairs' room with the dining table and living space together), on a much quieter street (ours is a rat run for commuters and also on the way to a massive builder's merchants, so lots of heavy trucks etc), and so on and so on.

Our house is in pretty decent nick, and three beds would sell very fast here as well, so we'd be able to do it within quite reasonable affordability. Only downside is that 4 beds are so much in demand round here that there's bound to end up being a bidding war... Oh well, got to be worth a try!

Sybs - just to say, I'm sure you didn't humiliate yourself, and well done for taking a positive attitide. Def get some feedback from them

Urbs, hope tonight carries on well in the big bed! Not poncy at all to feel attached to objects that have played a big part in your life, that's why people keep cuddly toys for years and parents are madly oroud of still using the pans they got for their wedding presents, etc etc. Saturday night here involves cauliflower cheese and recorded Tudors. All glam over our way!

WG if you're about, saw your comment on FB about boob in mouth syndrome, recommend trying the 'pantley pull-off' (from the NCSS), have started that with E already so as not to end up with her where S was in that she'd only sleep off the boob and I ended up having to contort myself ridiculously to get her down onto the bed at nap time.

xpost jb, so glad you got the clothes and don't be silly about the postage please, it's all part of the big circle of December 08 Ladies life. Sucking reflex takes a while to arrive (E didn;t have it very strongly) but she'll get there - can you see the pics I put on my profile from the BF book? There's something about using a nursing supplementer, so she's tube fed but also starts to learn about the sensation of sucking to get her milk.

I also find it very odd to be saying DD1 and DD2, hence have gone for S and E instead!

Well, all i can say is a big, big thank you to you all. I would say I'm speechless but it would give lie to the fact of how enormously kind and generous and lovely you all are. I received the cheque this morning c/o Sybs and will probably spend it on some massages and a cleaner for a couple of weeks! I am totally overwhelmed and DP, who is normally very sniffy about my MNing, was also very touched.

Urbane am not surprised you're feeling sentimental, especially given what happened at Christmas. When you say you're not sure you'll have the cot again, what's the situation about trying again? Am sorry if I've missed something on that front. Don't give yourself a hard time for feeling sad about it, it's perfectly understandable. Big hugs from here.

Glad DS is on better form, Rubes, it must have been frustrating to have your trip so blighted by illness, but I hope you're glad you went nonetheless. Will be good to have you back though!

Sybs am really sorry about the job knockback, esp the way you heard. Will you be getting back to them about why (and mentioning their crap interviewing technique?).

How is your weekend, Effie? and BEans, if you are reading from Barcelona!

Happy movings, Arti, like Sybs I remember your deliberating about it all, am so glad you'll be making it your home.

Lady it's lovely to hear from you and great news on the DD1 eating front. Can't wait to hear all about it.

Vag how are the bunk beds doing?

Trace am so glad you're having some good days and will have the support of your friend this weekend.

JB how are things going?

DP coming back with DS2 from hosp for second day in a row. He's got so much worse, screaming all day and barely taking in half of his milk. I could deal with this constant to-ing and fro-ing from GPs and hosp if DS2 was getting better, I assumed he would have to stay in tonight and be tube fed, so will see what DP says. More later.

Update - they didn't keep him in because of a D&V big going round hosp but want to admit him tomorrow night so he's in the system to have a barium swallow on Monday. They're now thinking poss hiatus hernia. No bloody idea anymore.

Spot sorry to read you are still in and out of hospital with B Vag yeah we are leaving tomorrow now. Bout the right time too as bit of a tiff with db and dh last night although the trip wouldn't be complete without at least one
Mum and Dad had to leave today so will just relax the rest of the day and pack etc. Having another massage courtesy of db's partner.
Have only skimmed the last couple but so glad to hear dd's teeny clothes are still in circulation. Hello to everyone else.

Spot poor you. Thoughts with you all.

DH running his first race today at Silverstone. 13 miles round the track.

Hello from the chaos of the new house. I have to say that I underestimated quite what a huge undertaking moving is. Veg (& anyone else who moves regularly) I don't know how you do it, I swear I am never doing this again.

Spot - I am so sorry that B is worse and hospital looms again. I have no idea what to say except this all seems so unfair.

Urbs - of course you feel sentimental about the cot, we all would. And I think it's extra hard when you don't know whether you will use it again. If you had chosen not to have more and felt in control of that decision then I expect it would still be sad but at least it would be clearer.

DD2 had her cot sold from beneath her on Friday. I put it on Gumtree as I wanted less stuff to move & was feeling v sure we were unlikely to go for 3. I am obviously still ambivalent though as last night DH & I went to a party & came back rather drunk & started getting down to things (tmi alert) without a condom. We never take such risks but we didn't even mention it. My drunken brain clocked this and instead of stopping it I started mentally calculating what the due date would be . This morning my sober brain is considering the morning after pill. Idiot.

JJ - is Glasgow no longer on the cards? If not then the house sounds great. I warn you though, moving with two littles aint what it used to be when we were young free and childless. My top tip is to follow LadyT's example and decorate before you move. We can't unpack as we need to paint and the girls see the boxes as the world's most dangerous climbing frame.

Right, DD2 awakes. Better haul myself out of bed.

Oooh, arti-living life on the edge! Hope you are feeling betterBthiz morning. Moving is hell, isn't it? Can't even imagine doing it with little ones.

Spot-lots and lots of love and support for you. Can't imagine how difficult it is for you.

We remembered White noise last night and, my, it made a difference. Had a couple of 3 hour stretches. Yay! And I have to say parents in law are doing sterling work with big madam. There are somE weird comments, but I'll take those.

Love to all

Oh WG you must tell us the comments you can't just say she is making comments and not posting them.

Rubs do you mean a barny between you and DB & DH or between DH & DB? It's nice to get home but I know the feeling of wanting to get back. You never said how the wedding was, did you enjoy it, glad you went?

Arti you sly dog, I think you both knew what you were doing
Also moving is very stressful and this is def the last move until we go home, but the one advantage of moving a lot is I throw out loads of stuff at each move so essentially less to move. I have friends here who move at least every 4 years.

Spot I really am horrified by the treatment of the NHS in B's case. And now a barium swallow, poor little man. They can be a bit yukky coming out, quite hard, his poor little bott bott. I wish I could be there to tell those morons off advocate for you.

Jolly I have sent you an email about latching her and encouraging the rooting reflex. I didn't want to bore these guys with my dittering. Please let me know if its unclear.

JJ can you give us a link for the house? I'm sorry but I think you should stay put, I'm not a fan of Glasgow, Cambridge much nicer. But obviously you should choose your family home based on my opinion...sadly. sorry feeling a bit cheeky.

well vag this morning I have had my excited new house balloon thoroughly burst by some sensible MNers on another thread... apparently it's pretty unlikely to get an offer accepted on a house if ours isn't already at least sold if not on the market. EA reckons we could sell very fast (SL how long did it take to get yours sold? not long IIRC) but maybe that wouldn't be good enough for vendors, likely that they'll have several offers anyway so depends on if they want to get us involved as well.

spot, sending more hugs for poor B and really hope you get some good results soon.

Jj yes it is true but the vendors round here will know that you can potentially sell v fast round the area. However given that the house you are buying is likely to have a lot of interest too they probably would discount you. It took us 3 weeks to sell ours and I think that is a longish amount of time round here
Btw s may be selling her house on hemingford road. It is only 3 bed and the loft is already converted but it has a massive kitchen and an outhouse thing with electricity in the garden. I can let her know if you are interested. It's at the nice dead end bit by the park too