Lefties 9: This will succeed through its success

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Is everyone on Twitter now?

I am wondering what form the newly resurgent (we hope to God) Labour party will take...I have fond dreams of a new Bennite era. But that might end up with us in opposition for too long. We need to find that balance between public appeal (I know, bleurgh, but Milibands D and E do seem to have it) and yer actual socialism.

I am wondering what form the newly resurgent (we hope to God) Labour party will take...I have fond dreams of a new Bennite era. But that might end up with us in opposition for too long. We need to find that balance between public appeal (I know, bleurgh, but Milibands D and E do seem to have it) and yer actual socialism.

I am wondering what form the newly resurgent (we hope to God) Labour party will take...I have fond dreams of a new Bennite era. But that might end up with us in opposition for too long. We need to find that balance between public appeal (I know, bleurgh, but Milibands D and E do seem to have it) and yer actual socialism.

oops sorry don't know why that happened...have reported the many extra posts!

I have been doing a bit of research on the two Millibands and they both sound very worthy. I think David sounds slightly more endearing as one article described the worst thing he ever called anybody was a clot ! It was Ed that did all that good work at that climate change conference though wasn't it or have i mixed them up ?

I really don't want this to just be a contest between the Milibands, it just doesn't seem right somehow.

I reckon Harriet Harman might stand nearer the time, after she has a few PMQ's under her belt.

It's a shame we can't blend the Milibands. David looks and sounds more like a leader I think, but Ed's much more in the right place on policy and is more personable. They are definitely the best Labour has got. I like Harriet too, but she's not going to go down well in those key marginals where everyone's got a Daily Mail tucked under their arm.

Does anyone remember Alan Milburn who was around a few years ago? I always thought he would make a brilliant prime minister wish he would come back on the scene.

DM [spit] are reporting that Frank Field is taking a job under new government as a "Poverty Czar" and Will Hutton will be "Fair Pay Czar".

Link here

Haven't seen much about what happened at Lib Dems conference, have been weaning myself of news this weekend, and have watched the Boy George 1980s thing on Beeb 2 instead - incredibly retro

Cinnamontoast - thank you for the link. It made me a bit bleak. We must coerce every woman we know to get involved in politics. Critical mass 'n' all.

Had a whole avalanche of bleak little thougths re. movement leftwards in Labour, but lost them when internet connection went down chez animula. Perhaps amother time.

Goodness, re. aubergines link - that is straight out of "Antony and Cleopatra". (The bit about putting Atony's former Generals in the frontline, so that he will "seem to fight with himself".)

Cunning indeed to put them in such unpopular places.

Frank Field never forgave GB for derailing his welfare reform thinking and has been out to get back at Brown/ nuLabour since.

Will Hutton is a good thinker/commentator though

Frank Field, massive racist, moron. Guy is a halfwit. Very far right...

What's the history of Field being a racist? I have to catch up on this particular story but I've always found him a bit odd, sometimes he made good criticisms of new Labour but I can remember being outraged by other things he said, I just can't remember what they were.

I can't keep up with these threads but I'm glad to see a return to friendly debate after the spat a few days ago.

There is part of me that wonders why Ham&Egg need a Labour person to do poverty ....

Big lol at Ham&Egg. It should be the coalition's official name.

marking place, can't catch up yet.

We arent happy about CGT. We are about to sell dh flat (from divorce settlement few years ago but he didnt live in it) and are likely to be hit with HIP before they abolish it and CGT when we sell it. He originally kept it as pension thing and has took a bit of persuading to sell but we would be better off paying off some morgage.

Nymphadora did he ever live in the flat? From memory, if he sells it within 3 years of moving out then you can claim primary residence relief and he will have to pay zero CGT.

No his X used it for work when she was working away. So never a primary residence.She got their house and I think she came off quite well ...

Oh I have a lot of time for Will Hutton - the State We're In was a great book. Why the problem with him? < gulps at own naivety again....>

Have been in a black mood about politics this weekend. Its hard to have it at the forefront of my mind all the time as I end up shouting at evil Tory DH. ( must go on Lucy Mangan thread and ask her how she deals with this). So I am furiously cooking and gardening - my favoured displacement activities.

Will the Liberal Democrat-Conservative coalition dare create over 100 new life peers?

Surely not?