A sixth of Scots voted for the Tories

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Apparently Around one-sixth of Scottish voters support the Conservatives, but are rewarded not with 10 seats but with one

oh, but we are tight with cash, 'tis no urban myth (especially if you live in NE Scotland).......

Highlander, I really am not prejudiced against Scottish people, it's just this bigotry I can't stand. So can I just cite your post in response to sausagelover and other denialists. Thank you.

And by the way, have lived in a number of different countries and have connections with scores of nationalities, religions etc etc and quite frankly have neither the time nor the inclination to relate to anyone through prejudice. It would be ridiculous to even try. Speak as you find, person to person -- but when you find person after person, friend after friend, acquaintances, whoever, voicing the same boring old rubbish, you do think, for God's sake give it a bloody rest.

Just take it from me, there are PLENTY of english people who ARE prejudiced about scots. Just because you haven't met any doesn't mean they don't exist. And not all scottish people hate the scots, so stop tarring all of scotland with the 'prejudiced bigot' brush.

ach, awa' an biel yer heid!

Just take it from you? Why? It's not my experience at all and I have really been around a bit. I don't think it's your experience either, unless you can tell me a bit more. I literally have nothing to tell in terms of English prejudice against Scots (apart from Jim Davidson) but much experience on the other side. It's quite incredible that you think it's a wholly reciprocal prejudice.

I didn't say all Scottish people hate the Scots, and I didn't say all Scottish people hate the English, which is what you meant, I think.

I am so bored of this. It's like being perverse for the sake of it. It just shows how prejudiced you are against English people.

For someone who is bored you can't seem to keep away .

I wasn't bored before. I'm especially bored by your post. Bat and Sausage, are you Scottish.. There must be loads of Scots that have looked at this thread but not many have leapt in to say no, it's not true.

Ah, glad you are still looking in seb1

"16.7% of voters in Scotland voted Tory not 16.7% of Scots, the results show what people currently living in Scotland voted not Scots."

For all you know, it could apply to the Scots who voted, across the whole UK. Indeed, the numbers might have been higher.

(OK, it was just to split hairs, and I do understand the subtlety of your point, but trust you also see the possibility that making a claim it "doesn't reflect what Scots voted" could also be incorrect.)

Yes most of thread is based on assumptions not facts.

speak for yourself

OK, show me your statistical data, it would be very interesting. Links will be fine.

oh i see

you need statistics

you really are in denial

"In Scotland it's de rigour to slag off anything remotely English. It's the mothership of bigotry."

No you say you aren't basing your info. on assumptions, so show me some facts to back up what you are saying.

I'm not, I'm basing it on observation and experience.

There is a real world out there and I'm in it.

Actually, backtotalkaboutthis - perhaps it is the opposite that is true: the Scots who are reading this just cannot be bothered because it is so unimportant - and can't be bothered wasting their breath on you. I could go into long explanations as to what it feels like to live alongside a country that automtically assumes that it is superior and aconnt understand why people don't like, for example, the arrogance ignorance of the EBC BBC when it fails to differneitate between things that happen in England and things that happen in Britain - but I can't be bothered.

I would support a referendum - and would now vote for independence.

This is after many years of living in England and elsewhere and supporting the union (for example in France, where I had to educate a lot of people that I was not "anglaise" but "ecossaise" - "et" "brittanique" - and that "English" was not a synonim for "British". At that time I was proud of being both Scottish and British. But my views have now changed - and in part becasue of attitudes amongst (some) English people about the Scots being scroungers. I would like us to stand up tall as our own nation, in charge of our own destiny.

So are all off us, unless ailens are posting on mumsnet

Prettybird good to hear from you. Please do go into those long explanations because I don't feel at all superior to Scottish people and I don't know any person that does. I really don't. Who calls you scroungers? English people you know? How is this automatic superiority expressed? Is it tangible? Is it something you feel or something you can give examples of?

It's not the fault of the English that people outside the UK call you "English", so why blame that on English people?

Yes the BBC shouldn't

What prettybird said.

Dear friend of ours, our former landlord, has a lovely daughter (Scottish like him), married to an Afrikaans man and last year, after years of trying, they finally moved back to Scotland after a few years of working in Hertfordshire.

She said they had quite a bit of abuse. She was called 'Jock' often in a sneering, derogatory manner and then told she was oversensitive, or worse, when she pointed out she found that offensive in that tone.

Her husband was called horrible things, people would 'jokingly' assert he only married his wife for a visa, etc.

So it's not just people on this thread.

But well, spot on, prettybird.

Having in laws in Northern Ireland, I do understand the irritation of the English/England thing. Even worse for them because they're not part of Britain either (not making a political point. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) and there's no such word as UKish.

I don't think it's right to abuse people for being Scottish, nor to make generalisations. It isn't right either when people abuse you for being English - the abuse I get from the Welsh side of my family is unreal. I do think it's a bit unfair to say that England automatically assumes it is superior. Some people do, but plenty of others don't.

Backtotalkaboutthis I would quite frankly rather sit in a cold bath and chew tinfoil than attempt to engage in any form of reasoned debate with one whose arguments are quite frankly unreasonable.

Please don't assume that any Scots reading are not responding because they agree with your position - quite the converse - but aside from the boredom factor I have no desire to legitimise your position.

with love from Scotland

When Ilived in England I had to repeatedly explain to the people I worked alongside that British did not equal English - they genuinely didn't understand why the Scots were not happy being "lumped in" with the English.

The Prime Minsiterial debates are an example fo the devalauing of the Scottish contribution - large amounts of what was debated were not applicable in Scotland - far more than was highlighted. That is just one example of the unthinking ignorance that we experience.

• The assumption that we should all want to support England in the rugby or football - and the wall-to-wall coverage we have to suffer from the EBC BBC.

• The fact that the EBC BBC will buy the rights for the English matches but not the Scottish matches.

It is perhpas inevitable when there is such a disparity in the population, so the EBC BBC is getting best value for money for the largest number of people - but we pay the same licence fee and would also like to support our national team.

There have been threads on Mumsnet where people have complained that the Scots get more money than the English under the Barnet formula and that, for exapmple, we get all that money so that we "don't have to pay tuition fees" (actually, until recently, that was a misconception: we didn't pay tution fees up-front - but we did have to pay the tuition fees after graduation - it was just deferred).

During the 9 years that I lived in England, I expereinced far more comments and teasing about my Scottishness than I have ever seen or expereinced in Scotland (and for the record, when I moved back, my "posh" accent meant that many people assumed I was English)

BTW - I wasn't born Scottish, I am "naturalised" Scottish - so both my parents and I understand what it is like to be an incomer in Scotland - and we have only ever experienced friendliness.

Hiya Gomez

You have said much more succinctly the point I was trying to make

Highlander - Glencoe was one Scottish clan against another - Campbells against MacDonalds. As for Culloden - many Lowland clans were fighting on the Government side. It was not Scotland against England.

So much of the Scottish resentment of the English is caused by a woefully poor grasp of history. And before anyone says, I know this isn't unique in Scotland. But it is certainly exploited by the nationalists.

RibenaBerry - It may well be that some remote parts of Scotland have constituencies with low numbers of voters, but you only have to look at the constituency map to see those areas are geographically huge! My own constituency, which is about average in terms of voters I think, takes in three former regional council areas and includes a whole city. I don't think these areas are the problem - they didn't vote Labour for a start (mine is Lib Dem). Compare with the multitude of urban constituencies in the Central Belt.