Do the left hate the right more than the right hate the left?

[Eve]

Comment I came across..on twitter I think somewhere.

I thought there was a large element of truth in it?

Views?

claig, we had this conversation before, and we discovered that New Scientist had run the Mail's "swine flu scoop" two weeks before and in a less scaremongering way, didn't we?

And when we had that conversation, the Climategate guys had not been exonerated as they have now - but I suspect it would take a good deal more than that to derail your conspiracy theory train, wouldn't it.

no belle I'm talking about the leaked memo that warned about Guillem-Barre syndrome etc. It was a huge story and they broke it. They are often sceptical, but they also follow the line that the others do.

Heathen, not the leaked memo, the New Scientist didn't have that. Of course they exonerated the Climategate guy, they are hardly likely to tell you that he was telling lies otherwise it would undermine the whole thing.

It was only a huge story if you don't already know vaccines can cause G-B syndrome. Which is not a secret, it's online and in the medical textbooks etc.

Anyhow, this ain't strictly relevant to the thread...

Winky lets not forget the 40% who didn't vote at all.

Hetahen , most ordinary people wouldn't have known that. They are not scientists like you. That's why the Mail did them a service. The thread took an aside when Humphrey said that the Mail was crap

The mail does not help people who aren't scientists, heathen. It's a cessspool of bad science, bad stats, scaremongering crap. If it gets a science story right it's the exception, rather than the rule, and helps exacerbate the public misunderstanding of science.

And let's not forget that actually, no-one got G-B syndrome in the end; the small matter of the truth, but quite important.

Eve - I read just the other day that the "problem" lies in Tories just being too damned polite to run around ranting the entire time - unlike the great unwashed.

"I'm reasonably informed and I think the Daily Mail is great"

snort.
lol.

love, even cameron thinks the mail is a pile of wank. secretly true tories like him are embarrased that they have to rely on narrow minded mail readers to get into power, sorry, to get near to power.

Claig - tell us again how global warming is a massive conspiracy to cover up a different ecological disaster that requires exactly the same measures to correct it, put in place by the people who really run the world for no apparent reason.

why, didn't you understand it the first time?

the right hate the poor.

gays.

the blacks.

left wing jews (after all we did for them!)

collective action.

unbiased news.

anything to the left of them even if those people are also right wing. Eg: Labour...

but they lurrrrrrv themselves, piety infects them. like their compadres the Mullahs in Iran, the Saudi royal family, the Bush klan..."when you realise you are ordained by God there is nothing you can't do," George Bush snr.

Claig - No, I just enjoy fairy stories ;)

well carry on reading the Guardian then, you'll get your fill there

Coolfonz - You are lumping together a lot of unpleasent qualities that some people on the right have some of which are shared by some people on the left.

Homophobia and racism are shared amongst supporters of all parties. Unbiased news is in the eye of the beholder. Right wing does not mean religous fundamentalist.

Lets criticise people for views they actually hold rather than views that some people they agree with on some things hold.

Claig - I'm just looking forward to when you finish yours off with the pesky motive ;)

Well said oojimaflip.

Now where did I put my old & infirm? I was assured they'd be collected today.

I don't know generally about the level of hatred re. right/left. However, I do know that I have had vile things said about me on MN because I am a Tory, and I wouldn't dream of saying the same to Labourites. I don't think I'd think it, either. I'd think they were misguided, but no more than that.

When it comes to lefty politicians, though, I do feel like spouting bile. But as a Tory I am of course generally too polite to do so.

CoolFonz - you're taking the piss right? Because if you're serious your views on a vast swathe of the population are far more bigoted than anyone on the right, with the possible exception of Nick Griffiths.

at the thought of the Daily (Hate) Maiol as being the arbiter of truth.

The reason I don't read the DM (apart from it's scaremongering woman hating stance) is that it is written for a reading age of 7. As an slightly more educated person, I prefer my media to be slightly better written, not insult it's reader's intelligence and to present more than one side of an argument. Granted, that means going to more than one source but hey, not having to move my lips when I read makes it a lot faster.

I'm glad that Labour is out, when GB was Chancellor he overspent and now look at the mess that the Tories/Libdems are going to have to pick up. I am not sure about the coalition but we've got it so let us see

For those who are moaning, Tax credits are paid from borrowing money, its like having a credit card, you can't keep spending and spending, you have to pay it back sometime.

The EMA - that definately needs to go, I have a 17 year old not eligible because her Dad earns 'just over the limit' yet he is paying 40% tax. It causes a lot of ill-feeling with the ones who do and ones who don't get it. I feel it is a bribe to get the numbers down.

The child trust fund - again not everyone gets that, my youngest was born in March 2002 so he does not qualify, as do many others.

To keep harping on about Cameron being a 'toff' is getting boring, what about Tony Blair and quite a few others in the Labour party who pay for their child to be privately educated? What is so wrong with wanting the best for your child anyway? I'm sure many people would like a decent education for their children but haven't had one due to a certain Ed Balls(-up). Youngsters are leaving school to go to senior school not being able to read or write. Not everyone has parents who help them with homework etc.

Good luck to the present Government - you are going to need it!

The DM is the most hateful I can think of (and especially the reader comments section) and they are not exactly on the left.

There's equal blind hate and tribalism on both sides. Some of the comments from my very tribalist Facebook friends today are wearisome. They claim to be objecting to the idea of coalition, but they are secretly just pissed-off that the Lib Dems went the "wrong" way.

FGS, you've had 13 years. And before that, the other lot had 18 years. As I was saying to them in 1997.

Sometimes, the government changes. That's democracy. What do people want - one party staying in power in perpetuity? Er, well, you can have that, although I think you'll find that's called dictatorship.

"or the left express it more loudly perhaps"

I just heard some commentator on radio suggesting that when we get to the next election Labour will claim the Lib Dems are Conservatives in disguise.

We will just have to wait to see how 'diluted' some Conservative policies will be, and whether the Lib Dems have real influence and do force compromises.

No doubt there will be plenty who are unhappy, but at this stage I'm going to just disappear off the Politics section, and let the dust settle as there's got to be a few weeks before we can really judge how well / badly this result is.