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Brown's last act of spite

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longfingernailspaintedblue · 11/05/2010 19:46

Why did he resign before the Tory-Lib Dem was final, despite being asked by both of them, in the interests of the country, to wait?

He will go down in history as one of our very worst Prime Ministers.

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smallwhitecat · 12/05/2010 20:10

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Beachcomber · 12/05/2010 20:37

In addition if Brown and Darling hadn't made the decisions they had then British banks would have gone under and any money in them would have gone up in a puff of smoke. British people would have seen their savings disappear and their current accounts would have been inaccessible and worthless. Quite how the actions of Brown's government can be misconstrued by the ungrateful British public as making things worse I don't quite know.

If Brown had not taken the swift and decisive action he had Britain would be in a depression right now.

But hey let's ignore boring old reality so that we can engage in the national sport of Brown bashing (soon to be replaced by fox hunting).

VicToryA · 12/05/2010 20:49

Why don't (some) CMs like the EYFS? Because instead of looking after children in the way that they would look after their own (i.e. as mothers), they are faced with a mountain of bureaucracy. Instead of enjoying playing in the garden with their mindees, they are having to wonder: how does this fit into the EYFS? Which boxes do I have to tick to say that Child A has seen a butterfly? Because a 'phase' isn't just a 'phase', but a 'schemata'. Because you can't have a door in your house without a sticker on it saying "door". No wonder so many CMs have given up.

Lego, that's one way to see it. But another way to see it is that parents are the best people to care for their own children, in their own homes. Under-threes arguably shouldn't be in any form of organised childcare, yet the Brown goverment has seemed to want every child in the country to be in formal childcare as soon as humanly possible.

As for "every child matters": well, every child does matter in Brownspeak - so long as they're not reasonably well off and 'middle class'. 'Middle class' families have mattered only as a funding source for yet another faddy initiative.

Janos · 12/05/2010 21:06

I agree wholeheartedly with someone about something.

Only women who have had the foresight and intelligence to be born into the middle or upper class and have a husband who earns enough for them to stay at home (without having to rely on those awful tax credits) should be allowed to have children.

None of these dreadful things would have happened if common people knew their place and stopped expecting to be treated like proper human beings, for goodness sake!

Chrysanthamum · 12/05/2010 21:16

I thought his departure was dignified actually. Didn't think he cut a good pm but uggh David Cameron!

legoStuckinmyHoover · 12/05/2010 21:16

Thanks for clarifying.

However, my understanding was/is that as children are in childcare-it ought to be safe and of quality and a worthwhile thing and I still beleive this. It is not a push for more children to go into it. I cannot see why writing a few notes at the end of the day for children in their care is such a burden when thier responsibility is so great.

As for Every child matters, it is a good thing for all families and all children and was set up for a very good reason too, as I am sure you know really.

I have to say IMO, that I really disagree that Brown didnt care for middle class families. I think he cared for all families and, children more than anything, regardless of thier parents bank accounts.

gypsymummy · 12/05/2010 21:26

we will see in a couple of years maybe even months' time what DC and or NC are really made of and what sort of "damage" they will do..rest assured the media will be panting after their every move and soon GB will be a ghost from the past..actually we may eve here some farctions of the media start to comapre their policies as if God forbid to allude to the possibility that GB did get some things right at the time . The media love a good gossip and love exposure, so ladies sit back and enjoy the next 5 years if you care. Only if they are lucky will some things get any "better"..

edam · 12/05/2010 21:27

smallwhitecat - did you have much experience of the NHS under the Tories? Honest question - it's just that I did (personally and through work) and seriously, the difference is massive. The NHS is not perfect of course, and there are still things that need sorting out. But there is a staggering difference between the punch-drunk, desperate, on-it's-last-knees NHS of the Tories and the NHS today.

Life-saving surgery is not rationed today as it was under the Tories. Back in those days, I remember listening to a heart surgeon who was despairing. The waiting list for one procedure was two years (could be balloon angioplasty, can't recall exactly). Yet the procedure was only of benefit if you did it within six months. Many patients were dying before they got to the end of the waiting list, and those that survived were too poorly and too far gone for the procedure to be any use at all. The surgeon pointed out it'd have been fairer and more bloody use if they'd just been honest and said, we won't pay for everyone to be treated, we are just going to treat anyone whose initial is between A and M. At least then SOME lives would have been saved.

The NHS is nothing like that today. Although I agree, PCTs are already bringing in bloody stupid cuts that are dictated by management consultants from McKinsey's rather than clinical judgement - like saying no-one can have varicose veins removed, even though there are plenty of patients where that is necessary.

Blu · 12/05/2010 21:39

SmallWhiteCat - my child's ability to walk has been dependent on weeks and weeks of intensive treatment by the NHS, a wide range of dedicated, inventive, imaginative professionals and many well co-ordinated services contributing. I recognise nothing in what you say - and have watched our local Trust hospital improve month-by-month throughout the Labour gvt. It was a semi-derelict permanent waiting list under the Tories.

Of course some treatments are rationed or we are struggling to keep pace - look at the (expensive) drugs and treatments that have become newly available or commonplace or expected during the last 13 years. Tamoxifen-type drugs have been released for use, IVF has become widely available....but the options now on offer bear no relation to the NHS of 13 years ago. No chance of a birth pool then!

101damnations · 12/05/2010 21:50

VicToryA,I could have written your post.Well said.

mumutd · 12/05/2010 21:53

Janos, well said

VicToryA · 13/05/2010 09:01

Lego, looking after children (in a day nursery or as a CM) really, really, really isn't a case of 'writing a few notes at the end of the day'. If only it were that easy!

Cammelia · 13/05/2010 09:12

There was a birthing pool at the NHS maternity hospital that my dd was born at Blu, I know because I laboured in it !

(Dd was born 4 months before the 1997 election)

ilovemydogandMrBrown · 13/05/2010 09:15

Oh please. SMC. Do you really think that the Tories are going to put more resources into the NHS? Under Labor, there have been 89,000 more nurses and 44,000 more doctors and investment in the NHS has more than doubled.

Under the Tories, DP was on a waiting list and in agony for months. Under Labor, he was able to be treated in a few weeks.

I wouldn't wish anyone to be in that amount of pain.

OrmRenewed · 13/05/2010 09:19

"Only women who have had the foresight and intelligence to be born into the middle or upper class and have a husband who earns enough for them to stay at home (without having to rely on those awful tax credits) should be allowed to have children.
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Oh Janos . You are so right! I have known that to be the case in my heart of hearts for many years. But I have been in denial. I will give my children up to adoption by wealthy worthy parents at once! Or failing that, to work as housemaids and garden boys which is probably better than born into a poor household.

Mea culpa!

ilovemydogandMrBrown · 13/05/2010 09:23

Survival of the fittest orm

OrmRenewed · 13/05/2010 09:25

Well done you ilove!

I am still hobbling too much to run far. I've got some new running shoes (£75 ) and has some physio and feet are much better but not perfect as yet.

Might try a short run tonight just to see whether my lungs explode.

Dad2Cariad · 13/05/2010 18:25

Maybe he found a good place to rent and just had to take it? :-P

I think he understood the Lib Dems wouldn't roll over and when he started hearing the phrase
"Coalition of losers" he knew it was all over.
He had to have heard that, even him being semi deaf.
Doubt he has left politics though. He's still a MP and will sit on the other side.
He'll probably start all the backstabbing and name calling of the old Parliament again.
It's what the labour party is all about! :-D
Or was that just Bliar.

Brown wants to be seen as a person with a conscience, and as the saviour of the World.. err credit crisis. But wants us to forget he is the person that set free and unchained the w bankers of hell.
Blaming the banks after the proverbial has hit the fan isn't an excuse.

I bought my house for 41k in 97. Blair and Brown started the property boom in the UK.
Just look at where Blair is and just watch and see if Brown isn't given a highly paid job in the IMF or other bank related position.

Politics is bollocktics..
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The sex pistols were right,
"Never mind the bollocks!"

maggiethecat · 13/05/2010 23:44

We've been seeing the behind the scene pics of Brown and Co before he announced his resignation and do you know what? He looks relaxed and relieved - I do wish him the best.
I think the op is a bit bitter that he went with dignity rather than being chucked out kicking and screaming.

BettyBizzghetti · 14/05/2010 20:50

Lol at Bliar!

missorinoco · 14/05/2010 20:56

Riven, I bet he (Gideon) could on a boat though.

pocketmonster · 14/05/2010 21:51

Dad2cariad wtf has his hearing got to do with anything? What a crass post.

Anyway, whatever, once we've had the Con-Dems for 5 years, you'll be begging GB to come back.

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