If you don't want the LibDems to make a deal with the Conservatives ...

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So they should make a deal with Brown instead? Brown has lost all standing as a PM. If he hangs on now there will be another election very soon, which Labour will lose outright. If the LDs are conected with Labour, Labour will take the LDs down with them.

No need for Clegg to get into bed with Cam, but certainly make a deal with him and gain a stronger voice in Parliament.

Yes Clegg should make a deal with Brown. Is there a facebook for this let me know and i will join.
In my opinion the Conservatives have only scraped more seats because of the totally unfair backing of Cameron by very rich powerful people trying to brainwash ordinary people. Wish i lived in Scotland !

They should only listen to the view of paid up lib dems as otherwise this site will be infiltrated by labour/tories who do not have the lib dems best interests at heart. I say this as some one who voted lib dem but is not a member.

kerstina - but the way I understand it is that better for non Conservative voters to hope Cameron and Lib Dems do a deal .
Let Conservatives take the bitter chalice ,make a mess of it and let Labour back in with a landslide in 2 years time .
Tho I actually would sleep more easily with GB steering us out of this finacial mess.

Agree with violetqueen. They will mess up and will blame it on labour regardless. But at least we'll all see that they couldn't do any better, and probably do a lot worse!

I too would rather we kept GB, but I fear he will feel he has to go as leader if Con/LibDem do make a deal. I hope his overwhelming vote of support from his constintuancy might make him think twice on that one though.

Nope, sorry. I think the deal's a good idea.

"very rich powerful people trying to brainwash ordinary people. "

OFFS Kerstina! Conspiracy theories? How damning and insulting you are being of 'ordinary' people!

'Ordinary' people can't listenf for themselves and make up their own minds? 'Rich powerful people' stopped you from using common sense! It's that sort of blinkered thinking that makes people vote for parties because of their name and some sortof emotive memory of what once happened, rather than for their competence or existing policies.

I am not talking about conspiracy theories i am talking about Murdoch and the likes. Television has to be unbiased in their reporting as soon as an election is announced (thats what Matthew Wright said anyway) but its a shame the press can spout what it likes.
I am an ordinary person and like yourself take an interest in politics thats why i am on this thread but unfortunately a lot of people do not take much interest and believe what they read in the papers.

What nonsense, the Liberals have not had any power for over 100 years!, this is to good an
opportunity for them to miss.

I think a lib dem/tory coalition is unfortunately the best way foward at the moment. the lib dems need to tread very carefully though. The cons could screw them over. I just hate the dithering atm. I am no Tory but I don't like limbo.

It is nonsense, isn't it. This is clearly a thread for Labour supporters.

Nope PC - I am not a Labour supporter or voter but would rather see the LibDems do a deal with Labour than the Conservatives.

I am not liking the fact that we are in limbo at the moment but do not want to see the LibDems rush into a coalition with the Tories without ensuring they compromise on some key issues. If they manage that then I would support a coalition. As it is I think they are poles apart and will be very disappointed in Nick Clegg if he doesn't really push for some changes given this opportunity.

GB has said he will talk to NC and the LibDems if they cannot come to an agreement with the Tories - I actually think they have closer ties on many issues.

I think it is important to understand the options.

• We could have a formal pack between the Tories and the LibDems (307+57).
• We could have a formal pack between the Tories and Labour (307+258).
• We could have a Conservative minority government which either or both of the other two parties support by not bringing in a vote of no confidence (forcing another election) and voting on each proposal as they are proposed (this is how things have been done in Canada for a while, it's not great but it is workable)
• Labour could get together with the LibDems, plus enough other small parties to have a majority (258+57+perhaps the Scottish (6) and Welsh nationalists (3) and the Green (1)
• The Tories could do this too - but I think

they would struggle more for the numbers

Possibly the Irish parties might come into play too - the DUP (8) for the right and the SDLP (3) for the left as there are already links - that's a bit worrying as it might impact on the Peace Process.

Of the options the LibDem - Tory coalition of some sort would probably be the best for the country, only two agendas to work through and less likelihood of being held ransom to regional issues. But I think the LibDems have to get a solid agreement on PR as this might be their only real chance, and without change to FPTP I don't see them ever having any real chance to be in government.

If the libdems are only to side with labour, what exactly is the point of voting lib dem - surely you might as well just vote labour and have a pure 2 party system?

I haven't ever voted anything other than lib dem, but wouldn't vote for them if it effectively means I'm voting labour. I also find it slightly weird that this is the lib dems first chance of having real influence on politics since 1974 and they're being encouraged to throw it all away by siding with labour which still wouldn't really give a majority in the House of Commons.

DUP have already indicated I think that they will support the tories, so actually the balance of power on any vote will be held by plaid cymru and the SNP. Not a very healthy situation.

prettycandles, you can't really deny that most of the papers have been giving the Lib Dems a massive kicking ever since the first Tv debate, when it became clear that when people got to hear of their policies, they actually liked them.

I'm not totally averse to a LD-Con pact (am LD member), if it meant we could run a stable gov't, but keep their worst excesses under control.
But I fear Cameron won't make any concession on PR, he knows that ~60% of the country voted for parties to his left and the Tories would be screwed under a fair and representative voting system.

OTOH, going in with Labour, which is where my heart lies, makes us look rather bad.
And even if we get a referendum on PR, I'm not actually sure we could win it? All the Tory and Murdoch press will be hugely opposed and running scare stories, I'm not sure you can win a referendum under that kind of relentless pressure.

And if we go in with the Cons, we'd be betraying Labour supporters who voted tactically for us (although plenty of our supporters voted tactically for them, I suppose)

But if we go with Labour, we're letting down the people who we told 'vote for us - get rid of Gordon Brown'. I think if we went into a coalition with Labour, Gordon Brown couldn't be its leader. Which would actually be a bit of a shame, he hasn't done that badly all in all.

It's just not easy, is it. Be careful what you wish for, and all that...