It's no good. I am trying to pretend it's find and I don't care.

[OrmRenewed]

But the truth is I am devestated. I don't want to be governed by tories.

I feel sad, betrayed and scared.

It's fine! Trying to pretend it's fine....

But you won't be in any meaningful sense. The Tories don't have a majority so any proposal or bill will have to face endless compromise.

And there will be another election VERY soon, I wager...

ANother election isn't going to help though is it?

feel like that too op :-(

You are not alone OrmRenewed-ditto.

Everyone I spoke to today has been gutted.

I couldn't even say the usual stuff to console them with, things like;

"it's ok, at least..."

or "look on the bright side..."

there is nothing that I can think of to complete those two sentences [in direct relation to the tories]. Absolutely nothing.

Yup, feel it too.

If it's any consolation, Mervyn King reckons that whoever is in power over the next parliament will be so unpopular because of all the cuts that they'll then be out of the running for decades.

Me too. Am even taking a sabbatical from facebook to avoid the crowing tories on there

Why not? Labour party are tweeting massive increase in membership; lots of disaffected libdems may defect if NC allies with Tories. No real majority for Tories and they'd have to perform SPECTACULARLY well to pull it round in current economic climate.

Bigger likelihood is they take minority or coalition govt; can do nothing, but manage to fuck everything up in the process. Over on the Anxious Tory thread, they're beginning to realise power now is a poisoned chalice...

Oh grow up, labour won votes, spent wasted money, lied about lots of things eg// war, immigration, crime and now some people want some respite from them. Personally if the tories decide to give nick clegg the no tax on the first £10000 of earnings I will be estatic and I will be the first to ring tax credits and say fuck off tax credits I don't need you any more.

labour did alot of good and i dont think its unreasonable to be fearful of what the tories might/will destroy

I'm feeling pretty scared.

It is honestly getting too expensive for us to live in the UK anymore and be debt free.

Wow Poohbah, let me guess - you only get £10 per week tax credits? How do you think those of us who live off tax credits feel about a £13.56 per week 'tax break'? £210 per week short of tax credits each and every week for us.

How many people will get thrown on the scaphea this time do you think, don't trust Clegg to keep them in check, especially if they dangle a place in cabinet at him.

Thanks for your measured response poobah

Some people beleive in principles not just their pocket.

I share your terror.

'the figures sees a gap. A big gap. It can only be filled by taxes and cuts. '

It's not only caused by public spending.

A significant gap was caused by the greed and corruption of what is effectively a city-state.

And now we're being told we all have to pay for it, for decades, on essentials we can't do without, like heat for our homes (because there is VAT on that).

All whilst those responsible for that big hole were allowed to become nameless, faceless ghosts, not at all accountable for their actions, still collecting big bonuses.

And there is a choice. They can stop letting people be non-doms and close loopholes so those best able to afford to be fair get out of doing so.

But they won't.

And that is what frightens and angers so many people.

Hear Hear Expat.
I am fed up with the Tories saying we all have to create a "big society" ie. everyman for himself whilst the bankers and fat cats carry on as usual.

My DW met an old lady in a shop yesterday and she told my wife she was devastated too. She was not the typical Tory twinset and pearls I'm doing all right, my house is worth £1m sort either. Just an ordinary pensioner in a provincial town that just chucked out the old Labour MP.

She was disgusted by what Labour had done to her country and just could not believe Gordon Brown was still sitting in Downing St. That is a factor that Cameron can play on. Gordon Brown lost an election, yet stayed on. People will pretty soon instinctively feel that is wrong and who knows another election may happen immediately and Labour thrown out of office good and proper. The Lib Dems have to be careful not to get tarred with the same brush harping on about PR and turning down reasonable offers of electoral reform from Cameron will not do them any favours.

I too suspect a split in the Lib Dem party.

'People will pretty soon instinctively feel that is wrong'

That is the law. That is why he is there now. He is the party leader and as there is a hung parliament then he is still PM because in this country you elect a party, not a particular individual.

If you don't like how the law deals with hung parliaments and the voting system then work to change that.

Cameron has less than 24 hours to persuade Clegg and then it is not in his hands anymore.

That's what you get in a place with no written constitution and a voting system like this.

expat - I know it is the law but also a Govt has to have moral authority, not just legal authority and the moral authority of GB leading the country when he has never actually won an election is very questionable.

Most people would agree that it is fine and sensible to stay on for a few days while power is handed over - but no longer than that.

Cameron won, Clegg says he will negotiate with Cameron. If Clegg turns round and says he inteneds to prop up a minority Labour Govt along with a rag tag of minority parties from Scotland, Wales, NI then I predict a riot. English voters will not stand for it. It could tear the union apart.

There has been a lot of wild talk on a lot of political forums over yesterday about making Scotland independent for this very reason. In effect Scottish/Welsh Labour Seats are keeping Gordon Brown in power over England which delivered a crushing Tory majority.

People in England do not believe it morally right. I am no suporter of a disolution of the union or a 'making Scotland independent' idea but it may come to that if tsi carries on much longer.

BeenBeta, there could be a riot if Clegg goes for the tories.

Nah. There won't be a riot.

I think a second election may favour labour