It's no good. I am trying to pretend it's find and I don't care.

[OrmRenewed]

But the truth is I am devestated. I don't want to be governed by tories.

I feel sad, betrayed and scared.

BeenBeta, a government does NOT have to have "moral authority". If it had, we would have had no government after any general election of the last couple of generations at least, because no government has been elected by FPTP with anything other than a minority of the vote. They might not even have had the greatest number of votes, in some cases. This is why FPTP should be abolished and replaced with PR of some kind.

GB is still in Downing St now because someone has to be and, until someone can make a legitimate claim to be able to form a government, that's the way it will stay.

And by the way, Scotland has had to put up with a government that it comprehensively voted against in the past. You could draw a line in various places in the UK and say "well, we didn't vote for this government here". I don't see the North of England rising up to secede from the union, though.

it's valid to feel devastated, but we need to do something sustained over the coming years now. i feel like i've had a nice long time off of the drain of activism from having to be more politically involved, except that effort to stop the oil war in iraq.

...oh lord, i'm too busy to be more cogent ...

i'm taking a long look at it and listening now to what i hear about how they all conduct themselves during this process. i'm sick of all the focus on the men's behaviour, i wish there was more info coming out already about the party stresses and positions.

on paper though, i think for the dear libbies in the middle there's no point going for the tories, they are a party which can only rule, for the ruling classes. they don't have the skills need for coalition, consensus and negotiating. Their grass roots wouldn't allow much of it anyway. i don't think dc's initial known offer to them was of any true subtance, pupil premium and a talkshop on electoral reform.

wind forward time someone please, looking forward to having hindsight

beenbeta,
I am wondering if that old lady is glad that she wasn't expected to have £8k at her disposal upon retirement?

I am hoping that she dosn't have an illness that will go undetected becasue the tories want to get rid of the free health checks for the elderly.

I am wondering how she feels about the tories rejecting Labours equality policies [including equality of the elderly and women]?

I am wondering if she is fortunate enough to be able to heat her own home?

'Most people would agree that it is fine and sensible to stay on for a few days while power is handed over - but no longer than that.'

Isn't that what he's doing? He's hardly gone on air with a statement that he's to be referred to as emperor.

'Cameron won,'

No, he didn't. His party did, and he is the leader of that party. Same as, Labour won in 2002, and now GB is leader of that party and so is PM.

That's how it works.

'People in England do not believe it morally right. '

You know the private thoughts of all of them then? And can speak for all of them? Funny, that, I thought that's what they elected representatives from their own region to do for them. And, well, the north of England was looking rather red than blue.

'I am no suporter of a disolution of the union or a 'making Scotland independent' idea but it may come to that if tsi carries on much longer.'

Oh, spare us! There wasn't a riot when GB took over after Blair stood down - when he could have handed power to someone else in the party or call a general election - why on Earth would there be one now.

And Scotland, well, again, puhleeze.

They'd riot if you doubled the duty on Tennant's lager perhaps, but over GB staying in office until a coalition is formed?

Give me a break.

It's in London, fgs.

/i don't want to be governed by either of the main parties.

i'm devastated too.

basically, we had 18 years of the Tories screwing the country up- privatising all the public utilities and robbing the poor to pay the rich.
then we've had 13 years of Labour screwing the country over - not improving on what Tories messed up but digging us deeper into a hole. going into a war noone wanted part of, upping tax on things till we're paying more for tax than the goods, messing up education, bailing out the banks and making us even more broke as a country.

i don't believe that it's a "oh we must vote Tory because look what labour has done" or "labour is the right way to go because they're the only ones to get the country back on its feet" how can we possibly be expected to vote in and TRUST either party when they've proved that they can't do the job we're employing them for?

why not give a breath of fresh air a chance? but no! the electorate in this country are too scared of voting with their hearts and beliefs just in case they're the only ones and it won't make a difference.

the country is SCREWED and it's basically a sinking ship.
but there's no way to escape it. do or drown.

I felt the same way about Labour when they got in, I was very scared and based on their past performance in government I was worried they would borrow, borrow, borrow and leave us in debt.

That's exactly what they did.

Up to the Tories to sort it all out.

Again.

'Up to the Tories to sort it all out.

Again.'

So glad to see you're so happy to stump up the money for it, too, Dolly, whilst fat cats and non doms who played a large part in getting us into that hole swan off into the sunset - anyone know which Caribbean island Fred Goodwin is hiding on just now with his £32m of public monies?

Even living abroad, because he just left, he maintained the right to vote.

we're all going to have to stump up the money Expat to pay for Labour's mistakes, whoever eventually gets the majority, there's no escaping it.

I don't trust Labour to get that right, especially considering the strange bedfellows they will have to cosy up to to get the majority to govern.

"anyone know which Caribbean island Fred Goodwin is hiding on just now with his £32m of public monies?"

Er, that happened on Labour's watch not the Tories. Labour love rich people just as much as the Tories - the big difference is the Tories are honest about it. Whilst Labour pretend they care about the little people - they don't.
Labour also had 13yrs to change disgrace that the non-dom situation is. They actively chose not to.

"up to the Tories to sort it all out" ?????????????????

i don't think you realise what a complete and utter HASH of the country the Tories made last time! we have no infrastructure because of what they did!

how can all the tory voters not see this??

heads up arses.

ps, not saying labour is blameless. (see previous post - both parties are shambolic and blame the others for their problems: it doesn't matter how long they've been in power, it's still inherited problems, apparently )

we should have a system like in America where you can only have 2 terms in office.

I would like to see the 2 terms in office thing and also fixed election dates.

expat - ".... whilst fat cats and non doms who played a large part in getting us into that hole swan off into the sunset ....."

Don't you realise this is exactly what happened under Labour? Look at the massive bonuses being paid out by nationalised banks we now own.

Why blame the Tories for that?

They were NOT in charge when it happened but Labour got a lot of donations from private equity and PFI financiers who benefitted most.

At least the Tories have pledged to sort out the banking system if the LibDems will support them.

I'm sick at the thought of a Tory government. Sick at the thought of Clegg selling out and joining the bastards, too.

'Tories have pledged to sort out the banking system'...yeh, right.

The naivety among Tory voters is also majorly depressing.

I still don't understand what heppened really. Noone I know voted tory. All ds's friends at secondary were saying their parents were lid dem supporters....and yet, we have a new tory council as well

ellie - are you Con/LD constituency though?

If you're Con/Lab then LD would need a helluva lot more votes to get in than if you were Con/LD.

'Look at America where you have some people pro fee healthcare and others who say "sod those who can't pay their way - let them die"literally.'

so because it's worse in America that makes all Tory values defensible?

nicklebabe have you had a look recently at what Labour have done?

Did anyone who voted Labour actually notice people in the City making millons for the last decade while driving the UK into financial oblivion while society became more and more divided.

Hear me you people - yes this really did happen under the LABOUR Government you repeatedly voted in.

The Tory party had no part in that.

i'm looking at the stats and i only see national debt percentage of gdp rising sharply as bail out of banks took off. and at least we stand a chance of getting that back.

i think it is capitalism that makes for social divsions, and through eurostat it looks like ours aren't as bad as, no scratch that i don't know enough about politocal leanings of comparitive countries. so it isn't easy enough yet to see if labour tempered the storm recently. i know it feels like it a lot fo people in the cities, as services are so much better in the last 7 or so years.

Unless you are born and bred there or have lived there a long while, you know FA about America.

But go ahead and rip the piss out of them. They've had the last laugh for a long time and I doubt that will end any time soon with the system you've got here.

It looks like the big fat joke it is to teh rest of the world, and most of them think people here are mugs. They'd never have put up with half of what you have and will.

"i'm sick of all the focus on the men's behaviour, i wish there was more info coming out already about the party stresses and positions.
"

Yes. Couldn't give a toss about what Davey boy wears or how he plays with the chattering classes, or what a 'bully' GB is. It DOESN'T MATTER.

What matters is what they will do.

Oh and Ha bloody ha! at the Tories sorting it out again. Most of our manufacturing industry entered it's death throes under the tories. Not sure how that was 'sorting it out' now that all the call centres and service industries are buggering off somewhere cheaper.