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Xenia · 06/05/2010 07:51

Parents ensure the budget balances. You don't spend what you don't have. You care for your family. You put the interests of your children above your own. You are responsible and sensible. You want rights but with responsibilities. The Conservatives have always been the party of freedom and will abolish a raft of pointless laws early on and give families the right to thrive without state interference.

The Times says much that needs to be said today:-

"General election day is a celebration of democracy. And on one of those rare election days ? there have been only two in the past thirty years ? when a change of government seems possible, it can feel like a day of liberation. Today, however, feels very different. The mood is sombre. And we will all exercise our democratic right with an unusual weight of responsibility.

Britain is in trouble. This election comes at a time when the quiet assumptions of our nation and its politics are in question. It is no longer clear that Britain will be able to remain a great power, or a harmonious society, or one prosperous enough to be able to guarantee its citizens liberty and justice.

In 2005 Tony Blair sought re-election under the slogan ?Forward, not back?. It appeared a bland campaign motto, but was rather clever. It was an attempt to appropriate to Labour the inevitable proceeds of growth and the credit for progress that the country always sees. So it is striking that it would be a risky proposition to run on such a slogan now. We can no longer take it for granted that Britain will go forward, not back.

This country could well become less than it was ? less prosperous, less cohesive, less significant in the world: a country where employment among 16 to 17-year-olds is at a record low is one in which business is no longer providing enough jobs for young people. We have increased state spending by 54 per cent in the past 13 years but cannot boast world-class public services. The State has become more intrusive as it has become larger, threatening civil liberties. We are not going forward. We may go back.

Election day 2010 is the moment when this country will have to stop running away from its debts. For the past two years, as we tried to fend off recession, we have been shoving the bills into a drawer without opening the envelopes. This has to end today. The price of our borrowing will have to be paid.

Across Europe you can see the social breakdown that is the inevitable consequence of government and people living beyond their means. Murder, arson and riots may be a Greek tragedy today. But this tragedy awaits any European nation that does not begin to reduce its public borrowing. Britain is fortunate that it did not heed the advice of those who wanted us to enter the euro. But if we do not reduce our borrowing in line with our earnings, then a Greek tragedy awaits us too.

In 1997, as a nation, we decided that we needed to find more and more money for public services. But the policy we then embarked upon was not sustainable. We overspent badly. Increasing public spending faster than the rate of economic growth was bound, at some point, to collide with reality. And now it has. The alternative now is to reshape the State so that it does not require an ever increasing proportion of national income to fund it properly. This will require some bold decisions and some very hard ones. During the campaign it proved possible to avoid some of them. No longer.

This election is unlike other watershed moments. In 1979, the case for sorting out the economy scarcely needed to be articulated. When rubbish lies uncollected in the streets and the electricity does not work, you know it is time for a change. Today?s economic crisis, in contrast, is more remote. But it is no less real or significant.

The Times has already cast its vote. It is not, of course, for us to tell you how to vote, only how we think. We believe that the Conservative Party is best placed to tackle the vast economic challenges ahead. It is now the turn of the electorate to decide. How the next government handles the economy will prove decisive for the future of this country. At every election, party leaders solicitous of your vote, and media commentators hopeful of your attention, will tell you that the stakes are high, that this time it matters. So often the significance is inflated. Not this time. This election will define Britain for the next generation. "

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7117547.ece

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SixtyFootDoll · 06/05/2010 07:56

Powerful stuff there for The Times.

Lulumaam · 06/05/2010 08:03

that's very very powerful. everyone should read that.

snowlady · 06/05/2010 08:04

Xenia - I agree with everything you say in your first paragraph but am voting lib dem .

You can afford not to worry about the tory education policy as your chidren are at private schools. You have a very high salary so it is not in your personal interest to vote anything but tory.

I am voting for smaller state school class sizes amongst other things. I also agree with the lib dem policy to scrap targets for the number of children going to university.

One of the reasons university education is becoming more expensive is that too many people go to university. This last bit is just my opinion not any party policy.

Haliborange · 06/05/2010 08:11

I find myself agreeing with Xinia for the first time ever.

The spending Labour undertook during its government was with borrowed money and gave us a false sense of how well we were doing, thus encouraging us all to spend too. It's a crap way to run an economy and something must be changed now. If it isn't where will the money for even basic public services come from in the future?

Incidentally I can't say I worry particularly about Tory education policy since the Labour version has let my child down badly (Labour government and Labour council, a double-whammy). For us it can't get much worse from that perspective.

Haliborange · 06/05/2010 08:11

Sorry, Xenia, not Xinia. Knew something looked wrong.

snowlady · 06/05/2010 08:15

Xenia - the tories give the impression that they are the party for hard working people who do the right thing. However there is little financial incentive to vote for them unless you earn over 110k or live in a house worth 2 million.

As for their other policies they haven't said how their 6 billion of cuts will be made and I'm not making a blind leap of faith in voting for a party that hasn't given any detailed information on policy. Cameron has not come across well in the TV debates. You would have to be a die hard tory to think he did.

Beachcomber · 06/05/2010 08:38

Well I guess who the best party is is a matter of opinion. Hardly surprising that the Times are backing the Tories.

It is all very well to scaremonger over the deficit and Greece but we all know things are not so black and white. The UK is not at all in a similar position to Greece with regards to capacity to expand our economy, our relatively low current account deficit and our international credit rating. Are people really falling for this Greece Today Britain Tomorrow doommongering?

Anyway if the Times wants to go on about the deficit it would have been a little more honest to mention the cost of the Iraq war (which the Tories backed) and the bailing out of the banks (that the Tories would have had to have done if they had been in power) rather than try to make out that all the money has been wasted on the great undeserving unwashed.

CwtchyBlueMama · 06/05/2010 08:46

Excuse my ignorance here please,but i thought that the Tories only backed the Iraq war because they believed the lies that Tony Blair told us all?

Forgive me if i am wrong.

noddyholder · 06/05/2010 08:51

I think just how much our situation is like Greece will come to light in the next few weeks.

Beachcomber · 06/05/2010 08:53

They also fail to point out that we are in a global recession that the Labour government have so far being doing a fine job of dealing with. (whilst scaremongering about Greece!)

longfingernailspaintedblue · 06/05/2010 08:57

Beachcomber

Please explain why Gordon Brown was running a deficit from 2002-2007 ( before the credit crunch).

If we had paid down some of our debt in the boom years we would have more of a cushion for the bust.

Beachcomber · 06/05/2010 08:58

If the lies about Iraq were so convincing how come the LibDems voted against the war?

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 06/05/2010 09:00

noddyholder - I think you are right, we are closer to the brink than a lot of people realise.

Xenia thanks for posting that, it's a very powerful article.

snowlady - it's interesting isn't it? I see only good things in the Tory education policy which is why I'll be voting for them. We are in a relatively prosperous urban area in the SE but the schools are shocking, absolutely shocking. There is only one outstanding primary with a tiny catchment area in a part of town we can't afford a house in.
All these wonderful schools and choice that people talk about on MN is a world away from my experience so in the interests of my DS who will be starting school in a couple of years, I will be voting Tory.

scaryteacher · 06/05/2010 09:15

We don't earn over £110k or have an expensive house, but will be voting Tory as they are the only party to offer a joined up foreign and defence policy; acknowledge the concerns of the rural communities; will keep Devonport Dockyard open; and who can sort out the economy.

Alibabaandthe40tories · 06/05/2010 09:22

snowlady - there is more to chosing a government than personal financial gain though, surely?

ninna · 06/05/2010 09:32

Thanks Xenia, I agree with the article and with the sentiments expressed. The economic situation is so very complex and I worry for our country and it's citizens, including my grown-up children. I have read lots and lots of opinions expressed by mumsnetters which have made me very disheartened. We just have to hope.

Beachcomber · 06/05/2010 09:40

Well the argument is that the Labour government "inherited extremely high levels of poverty, inequality and social exclusion" longfingernailspaintedblue.

Which is perhaps an argument for PR (although I'm not a LibDem supporter in this election).

If the current system means we swing from Labour overspend to Tory underspend every ten years or so then perhaps we really need to look at constitutional reform to provide us with a more stable modern relevant way of doing things? We won't get it from the blues though.

I heard that their money saving measure of reducing MPs by 10% will work very much to their advantage in future elections. Haven't read anything on this so if anyone has some info or a link I would be very interested. Cheers.

ilovemydogandMrBrown · 06/05/2010 09:44

"The Times has already cast its vote" -- great thing about a democracy is one person, one vote.

sarah293 · 06/05/2010 09:50

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herbietea · 06/05/2010 09:57

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missedith01 · 06/05/2010 09:58

Personally I never touch anything that Rupert Murdoch has had his fingers on, which pretty much rules the Tories out. They are still the party of privilege and polo, as their goings on in Hammersmith and Fulham amply demonstrate.

www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-welcome-to -cameron-land-1962318.html

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Litchick · 06/05/2010 10:03

Xenia - I agree with you regarding the economy. I do think GB has borrowed and will continue to borrow too much which will be very difficult for our children to pay back.

However, I just don't know if I can vote tory. I'm utterly squeamish about it.
So much shit in the eighties. My Dad was a miner. Then there was Clause 28. Then the poll tax.Ols stuff I know, but deeply embedded in my psyche.

And whichever way you cut it, DC is a political and intellectual light weight. Sigh.

EdgarAllenPoll · 06/05/2010 10:12

i heard someone on the radio estimate the national debt at £30k per household, plus £30k in unfunded private sector pensions...and forecast that this will increase in total to 90k after another 4 yars if it goes on as it is now.

Litchick · 06/05/2010 10:19

That must be the figure I heard too. Thanks.

It's just so high. Sigh.

I've asked and asked my Labour candidate what will happen if we increase it so much that our credit rating is down graded, but get no cogent reply. It's as if the Labour party are refusing to even contemplate it.

It's fien for GB and AD to stick to Keynsian theory (sp) but it was rwitten before the globalisation of the monetary markets and before the adven of the international credit ratings. Sigh.