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Oh hell no- what NC said about WW2

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atlantis · 22/04/2010 00:33

Yes, it's true i'm a conservative voter at this election.

Yes, it's true I've done a little NC bashing because I don't believe in some of his parties policies and his holier than thou image he's trying to convey.

But hell NO , if this article is true this man had better not come to my local area because if I see him on the street I'll do more than egg him..

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267921/GENERAL-ELECTION-2010-Nick-Clegg-Nazi-slur-Britain.html

"Nick Clegg has claimed that the British people have ?a more insidious cross to bear? than Germany over the Second World War.
In an astonishing attack on our national pride, the Liberal Democrat leader said we suffered from ?delusions of grandeur? and a ?misplaced sense of superiority? over having defeated the horrors of Nazism.
He said we found it hard to accept that Germany had become a ?vastly more prosperous nation? and that ?we need to be put back in our place?.
His views, outlined in a newspaper article when he was a member of the European Parliament...

The passionately pro-Europe Mr Clegg revealed his views in an article for the Guardian newspaper in 2002.

?Watching Germany rise from its knees after the war and become a vastly more prosperous nation has not been easy on the febrile British psyche,? Mr Clegg wrote, before attacking Britain?s approach to the war.

?All nations have a cross to bear, and none more so than Germany with its memories of Nazism. But the British cross is more insidious still.
?A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off. We need to be put back in our place.?

I wholeheartedly agree with this;

"Tory MP Nicholas Soames, grandson of wartime leader Sir Winston Churchill, said: ?These views will disgust people the length and breadth of the country. They show that Nick Clegg is unfit to lead his party, let alone the country.
?They are an insult to the memory of Britain?s war dead and to a time when the British public all pulled together for the common good.

'They prove that Mr Clegg shares the European view of Britain rather than the British view.?

I am disgusted. This isn't a case of NC bashing, his views are clear, it's revolting.

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TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 22/04/2010 17:38

No, swc, but it did continue to support fascists until we were actually at war with them.

From conservapedia (good enough source for you? )

In the 1930s, the Daily Mail was politically sympathetic to fascism, and Lord Rothermere wrote articles praising the British Union of Fascists and their leader Oswald Mosley in particular for showing ?sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine?. One headline notoriously read "Hurrah for the Blackshirts". However, he toned down his support after the Fascist party was involved in street violence.

The Mail?s political stance was also influenced by Rothermere?s personal friendship with both Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party ? the only newspaper to support them both consistently.

Rothermere sent Hitler a telegram of congratulations after Germany invaded the Sudetenland in 1938.

The paper also published The Protocols of The Elders of Zion in serial form, and ran inflammatory articles about Jewish immigrants.[4]

atlantis · 22/04/2010 17:47

"atlantis, when you say you'll do more than egg him, pray, what do you mean? "

I have my gran's old pee pot somewhere... if not there's always the odd dog poop lying around.

"I'm fairly thick actually. No way I'd speaking esperanto by 2012.

And I've been to mainland Europe. Not a mad call for esperanto ime. "

Obviously not as thick as I am as I don't even know what it is and am now too tired to google it.

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atlantis · 22/04/2010 17:52

Well I do read the DM, obviously, and yes, they are OTT with their stories etc but oh well... a great majority like it, I also read the Times, the Express and the independent ( when I can't sleep, works wonders) the papers I wont read are the Scum ( hillsborough ) the mirror (labour) and the guardian (labour).

Whichever paper you read it's always subjective so I like to take them all with a pinch of.. hence why I said if the quotes were true.

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smallwhitecat · 22/04/2010 17:54

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Ponders · 22/04/2010 18:02

lincstash, "NC showed his true disdain for the english today"???

He wrote that piece about Germany when he was an MEP, in 2002

StewieGriffinsMom · 22/04/2010 18:16

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TheFallenMadonna · 22/04/2010 18:20

The more I read, the more I like. Bizarrely, even if that is in the Daily Mail, under the headline "Nazi slur on the UK". Even more when taken in context.

And in comparison, the people braying on here and in the media about it being an "insult to the war dead" just sound, well, rather panicky. Grasping at straws.

ShadeofViolet · 22/04/2010 18:29

The whole thing has made me even more determined not to vote Conservative. Its such a desperate attempt of a slur.

I am a bit to not have known who Nicolas Soames was so I looked on his website, whcih tells me everything I need to know and another reason not to vote Conservative!

atlantis · 22/04/2010 18:59

"The whole thing has made me even more determined not to vote Conservative. Its such a desperate attempt of a slur."

If it were a slur, then who says it's the conservatives who pointed the paper in that direction, it's a guardian story and meddlesome was quick to point the finger at the tories today, dare I say it's another of meddlesomes plants again? Kill two birds with one stone, NC and point the finger at the tories.

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Heathcliffscathy · 22/04/2010 19:04

atlantis, if you're aware that the guardian and the mirror are left leaning, surely you are also aware that the daily mail is about as right leaning as a mainstream paper gets.

and the times is murdochs. therefore it is uberconvservative atm as he has nailed his colours to cameron's (flagging) mast.

yours

sophabletroll

TheFallenMadonna · 22/04/2010 19:05

This is a Daily Mail story. Nick Clegg wrote his article for the Guardian. Eight years ago.

DuelingFanjo · 22/04/2010 19:09

So - now you have read the real Nick Clegg article, what do you think atlantis. Makes more sense now? You see what he means now?

choosyfloosy · 22/04/2010 19:17

Isn't it amazing that in the exact same week that a Liberal Democrat poll surge threatens a Conservative election victory, NC does all these 'newsworthy' things at once?

Well, over the same decade, anyway, what's the difference, eh.

Batteryhuman · 22/04/2010 19:18

Nicholas Soames, See this from his wiki entry

"Soames has been named as the 'most sexist' MP, with several female MPs stating that he has made vulgar comments. One says they retaliated by shouting "click" at him ? a reference to a claim that having sex with him was "like having a wardrobe fall on you with the key still in it". It has frequently been alleged that Soames makes repeated cupping gestures with his hands, suggestive of female breasts, when women are trying to speak in parliament, to sexually harass and distract them from performing politically."

Nice man.....

ShadeofViolet · 22/04/2010 19:38

I read that as the Sexiest MP and thought - Who the fuck votes or these things

Clarissimo · 22/04/2010 19:43

Even scarier shades

WTF would votes Soames as sexiest?

Clarissimo · 22/04/2010 19:45

Ah Sophable pmsl that you were called a troll

(reread post and realised thats whatshades emant LOL, I thought she emant who votes in elections based on these polls)

Though we all know anyone who votes LD will be accused of such vagaries.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 22/04/2010 21:31

Oh, he was the 'wardrobe with the key in' guy! I remember that

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