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What do with think will be in Labour’s budget?

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tenpairsofshoes · 12/10/2026 19:04

They don’t seem to be giving much away but any indication that they might help kickstart the economy or are we just going to get £2 bus fares, £45 off our elec bill a year and petrol prices on google map? None of Labour polices seem to help anyone that is really struggling but isn’t in receipt of UC! I’m speaking as a single mother who is trying to sell a property to move on with my life but can’t. Yes I know I’ve very fortunate to have bricks and mortar but that doesn’t mean I’m loaded (because the property isn’t worth much)! I feel like everyone is expecting the chancellor pull a rabbit out of a hat but I think we’ll all be very disappointed/pissed off!

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NorthXNorthWest · 26/10/2026 17:03

Papyrophile · 26/10/2026 09:52

I was listening to the Times Radio's first look at the headlines last night, and one of the political editors was expressing her opinion that AB is planning to call a snap winter GE before RR's tax increases already in the pipeline for next year take effect.

Healey's first Budget was, in her opinion, likely to be fairly anodyne while they wait for the Milburn and McFadden reports and this might be Labour's best chance for an updated mandate and for AB to consolidate his position.

Here's hoping for a hung parliament.

Badbadbunny · 26/10/2026 17:05

NorthXNorthWest · 26/10/2026 17:03

Here's hoping for a hung parliament.

Hell no. Look at the foul up last time when we suffered a Tory/LibDem coalition for a term. Loads of horse-trading without any coherent strategy.

NorthXNorthWest · 26/10/2026 17:07

Badbadbunny · 26/10/2026 17:05

Hell no. Look at the foul up last time when we suffered a Tory/LibDem coalition for a term. Loads of horse-trading without any coherent strategy.

You would rather a decade of tax and spend? The erosion of private property, and a well fed but shackled working class?

EasternStandard · 26/10/2026 17:33

Badbadbunny · 26/10/2026 13:27

Who said anything about tax cuts to the wealthiest?

But if it keeps the wealthiest in the UK and draws the wealthiest into the UK from abroad, and thus increases our tax take and grows the economy, what's not to like?

Edited

Not everyone likes this, but I agree I don’t get why driving out tax payers is a good idea.

EEexpat · 26/10/2026 18:32

@EasternStandard

Not everyone likes this, but I agree I don’t get why driving out tax payers is a good idea.

Particularly high taxpayers. Chris Rokos was paying £330 million per year before he decided to leave the UK. So, there’s £27 million per month the government loses in tax take plus whatever he could have spent from his large disposable income.

Add that to Labour’s NIC increase which cost between 200,000 and 276,000 jobs. There’s approximately £1.4 billion lost in tax take. Add job seekers allowance claimed adds another £1.2 billion the government has to pay out.

If taxes increase on Wednesday 28 October 2026, oh dear.

Ruskins · 26/10/2026 19:49

British businesses are now financing a government that has completely lost control of its spending, while being lectured about the need to contribute more.

The latest figures are staggering. The government borrowed another £24.5 billion in September alone, with £10.9 billion payable in interest on existing debt. That is the highest September interest bill on record.

National debt has now exceeded £3 trillion. Consider what this means for the millions of company directors struggling to keep their businesses profitable.

They pay Corporation Tax on their profits, employers' National Insurance on their payroll, business rates on their premises and countless other taxes and regulatory costs before they can even contemplate rewarding themselves for the risks they take.

Their employees are taxed on their earnings, their customers are taxed on their purchases, and virtually every commercial transaction generates another opportunity for the Treasury to collect revenue.

Yet despite this enormous contribution, the government still cannot balance its books.

In September, tax receipts actually increased by £3.5 billion compared with the previous year. Corporation Tax receipts alone increased by almost 10%. The reward for generating all that additional revenue? Another Budget threatening further punishment for the businesses producing it.

Labour is incapable of understanding a fundamental principle of economics. You cannot continually increase the cost of employing people, discourage investment, penalise profitability and then express surprise when economic growth disappears.

The £100,000 income tax trap is another excellent example of a system designed to punish financial success. Work harder, earn more, employ more people and the Treasury will find another way to take a larger share.

Meanwhile, the interest on yesterday's government spending is consuming billions that could otherwise support infrastructure, public services and economic development.

For company directors, the message is becoming impossible to ignore. Their businesses are expected to generate the wealth, create the employment, shoulder the commercial risks and finance an increasingly expensive state that shows precious little understanding of how wealth is actually created.

There is a limit to how much punishment the productive economy will tolerate before investment, capital and business activity move elsewhere.

Labour would do well to remember that businesses are not an inexhaustible source of revenue. Without profitable businesses and the people prepared to run them, there is no tax base to exploit.

Britain doesn't have a shortage of taxpayers. It has a government with a spending problem, and another Budget is approaching in which those responsible for generating the country's wealth will once again be expected to pay for it.

RowsOfFlowers · 27/10/2026 07:50

Ruskins · 26/10/2026 19:49

British businesses are now financing a government that has completely lost control of its spending, while being lectured about the need to contribute more.

The latest figures are staggering. The government borrowed another £24.5 billion in September alone, with £10.9 billion payable in interest on existing debt. That is the highest September interest bill on record.

National debt has now exceeded £3 trillion. Consider what this means for the millions of company directors struggling to keep their businesses profitable.

They pay Corporation Tax on their profits, employers' National Insurance on their payroll, business rates on their premises and countless other taxes and regulatory costs before they can even contemplate rewarding themselves for the risks they take.

Their employees are taxed on their earnings, their customers are taxed on their purchases, and virtually every commercial transaction generates another opportunity for the Treasury to collect revenue.

Yet despite this enormous contribution, the government still cannot balance its books.

In September, tax receipts actually increased by £3.5 billion compared with the previous year. Corporation Tax receipts alone increased by almost 10%. The reward for generating all that additional revenue? Another Budget threatening further punishment for the businesses producing it.

Labour is incapable of understanding a fundamental principle of economics. You cannot continually increase the cost of employing people, discourage investment, penalise profitability and then express surprise when economic growth disappears.

The £100,000 income tax trap is another excellent example of a system designed to punish financial success. Work harder, earn more, employ more people and the Treasury will find another way to take a larger share.

Meanwhile, the interest on yesterday's government spending is consuming billions that could otherwise support infrastructure, public services and economic development.

For company directors, the message is becoming impossible to ignore. Their businesses are expected to generate the wealth, create the employment, shoulder the commercial risks and finance an increasingly expensive state that shows precious little understanding of how wealth is actually created.

There is a limit to how much punishment the productive economy will tolerate before investment, capital and business activity move elsewhere.

Labour would do well to remember that businesses are not an inexhaustible source of revenue. Without profitable businesses and the people prepared to run them, there is no tax base to exploit.

Britain doesn't have a shortage of taxpayers. It has a government with a spending problem, and another Budget is approaching in which those responsible for generating the country's wealth will once again be expected to pay for it.

Britain doesn't have a shortage of taxpayers. It has a government with a spending problem, and another Budget is approaching in which those responsible for generating the country's wealth will once again be expected to pay for it.

I agree with this. It’s the same with the NHS - mismanagement of money.

Badbadbunny · 27/10/2026 09:16

RowsOfFlowers · 27/10/2026 07:50

Britain doesn't have a shortage of taxpayers. It has a government with a spending problem, and another Budget is approaching in which those responsible for generating the country's wealth will once again be expected to pay for it.

I agree with this. It’s the same with the NHS - mismanagement of money.

Yup, nail on the head. Too many "leaky buckets" whether it's the NHS, the benefits bill, vastly overpaying consultants, vastly overpaying PFI contracts, awarding huge contracts to "friends", huge numbers of PS workers not actually working (on sick leave, garden leave, suspension etc) for years, etc.

Electra10E · 27/10/2026 09:26

BIossomtoes · 26/10/2026 13:23

Offering unaffordable tax cuts to the wealthiest is hardly fiscally literate.

And yet the economics of ‘the wealthiest’ emigrating, mitigating, retiring etc. is hardly sensible, either.

Electra10E · 27/10/2026 09:27

NorthXNorthWest · 26/10/2026 17:03

Here's hoping for a hung parliament.

Agree, as it would place an immediate pause on Labour committing any more acts of economic vandalism.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2026 09:28

Ruskins · 26/10/2026 19:49

British businesses are now financing a government that has completely lost control of its spending, while being lectured about the need to contribute more.

The latest figures are staggering. The government borrowed another £24.5 billion in September alone, with £10.9 billion payable in interest on existing debt. That is the highest September interest bill on record.

National debt has now exceeded £3 trillion. Consider what this means for the millions of company directors struggling to keep their businesses profitable.

They pay Corporation Tax on their profits, employers' National Insurance on their payroll, business rates on their premises and countless other taxes and regulatory costs before they can even contemplate rewarding themselves for the risks they take.

Their employees are taxed on their earnings, their customers are taxed on their purchases, and virtually every commercial transaction generates another opportunity for the Treasury to collect revenue.

Yet despite this enormous contribution, the government still cannot balance its books.

In September, tax receipts actually increased by £3.5 billion compared with the previous year. Corporation Tax receipts alone increased by almost 10%. The reward for generating all that additional revenue? Another Budget threatening further punishment for the businesses producing it.

Labour is incapable of understanding a fundamental principle of economics. You cannot continually increase the cost of employing people, discourage investment, penalise profitability and then express surprise when economic growth disappears.

The £100,000 income tax trap is another excellent example of a system designed to punish financial success. Work harder, earn more, employ more people and the Treasury will find another way to take a larger share.

Meanwhile, the interest on yesterday's government spending is consuming billions that could otherwise support infrastructure, public services and economic development.

For company directors, the message is becoming impossible to ignore. Their businesses are expected to generate the wealth, create the employment, shoulder the commercial risks and finance an increasingly expensive state that shows precious little understanding of how wealth is actually created.

There is a limit to how much punishment the productive economy will tolerate before investment, capital and business activity move elsewhere.

Labour would do well to remember that businesses are not an inexhaustible source of revenue. Without profitable businesses and the people prepared to run them, there is no tax base to exploit.

Britain doesn't have a shortage of taxpayers. It has a government with a spending problem, and another Budget is approaching in which those responsible for generating the country's wealth will once again be expected to pay for it.

Good post @Ruskinswell put.

iamnotalemon · 27/10/2026 09:45

Badbadbunny · 27/10/2026 09:16

Yup, nail on the head. Too many "leaky buckets" whether it's the NHS, the benefits bill, vastly overpaying consultants, vastly overpaying PFI contracts, awarding huge contracts to "friends", huge numbers of PS workers not actually working (on sick leave, garden leave, suspension etc) for years, etc.

Wish we could get Martin Lewis on it. He would sort it out.

Ruskins · 27/10/2026 10:28

Badbadbunny · 26/10/2026 13:27

Who said anything about tax cuts to the wealthiest?

But if it keeps the wealthiest in the UK and draws the wealthiest into the UK from abroad, and thus increases our tax take and grows the economy, what's not to like?

Edited

Some people seem to feel entitled to the wealth of the wealthy but without actually putting in the hard work, learning the skills, offering value to others, making sacrifices, or taking the risks to earn that wealth.

Okay so there are some exceptions like the landed gentry and trust fund kids etc, but all the wealthy people I know are self-made, worked incredibly hard, and started with very little. So it mostly it just feels like the politics of envy, resentment and entitlement.

Badbadbunny · 27/10/2026 11:05

Ruskins · 27/10/2026 10:28

Some people seem to feel entitled to the wealth of the wealthy but without actually putting in the hard work, learning the skills, offering value to others, making sacrifices, or taking the risks to earn that wealth.

Okay so there are some exceptions like the landed gentry and trust fund kids etc, but all the wealthy people I know are self-made, worked incredibly hard, and started with very little. So it mostly it just feels like the politics of envy, resentment and entitlement.

Edited

Nail on the head. All the "wealthy" people I know are self made through hard work, whether that "hard work" was studying at school or setting up their own business, or working/studying to get promotions or additional professional qualifications. I know no one who came from landed gentry, trust funds or lottery wins! So yes, it's down to hard work, risk taking, sacrifices, etc. Yet people are envious - the people who didn't bother at school, havn't studied for additional qualifications as an adult, haven't worked evenings and weekends setting up a business, etc.

mumumental · 27/10/2026 14:38

I have no idea why the government are removing tariffs on sweets and jam, rather than fruit, vegetables and meat. At least ensure your policy links with your stated aims elsewhere, eg reducing obesity and improving health.

mumumental · 27/10/2026 14:40

And we need to stop pretending that people are only wealthy because they work harder than others; it’s utter bullshit. Self serving, presumably.

Electra10E · 27/10/2026 15:52

mumumental · 27/10/2026 14:40

And we need to stop pretending that people are only wealthy because they work harder than others; it’s utter bullshit. Self serving, presumably.

Define ‘hard’ work, please?

Perhaps you mean they studied harder and longer. Perhaps they studied subjects which they could monetise. Perhaps they made personal sacrifices, pulled longer hours, and worked overseas. Perhaps they took risks with their careers, and their own capital? Perhaps they invested wisely. Perhaps they were prudent with their money.

Is that what you mean?

EEexpat · 27/10/2026 16:00

@mumumental

Some people will have been lucky and acquired wealth due to,

born into a wealthy family,
inheritance,
won the lottery

However, I would say there are more who created it from their own efforts.

Badbadbunny · 27/10/2026 16:02

mumumental · 27/10/2026 14:38

I have no idea why the government are removing tariffs on sweets and jam, rather than fruit, vegetables and meat. At least ensure your policy links with your stated aims elsewhere, eg reducing obesity and improving health.

Yes, very strange, and irrelevant to lots of people.

mumumental · 27/10/2026 16:08

Electra10E · 27/10/2026 15:52

Define ‘hard’ work, please?

Perhaps you mean they studied harder and longer. Perhaps they studied subjects which they could monetise. Perhaps they made personal sacrifices, pulled longer hours, and worked overseas. Perhaps they took risks with their careers, and their own capital? Perhaps they invested wisely. Perhaps they were prudent with their money.

Is that what you mean?

I mean that academic study is not the only form of hard work, probably the least. (and I have a PhD myself).

Electra10E · 27/10/2026 16:20

mumumental · 27/10/2026 16:08

I mean that academic study is not the only form of hard work, probably the least. (and I have a PhD myself).

Speaking personally, I obtained my MSc simply because I needed it for the career I had chosen - it was one step of the ‘hard work’ on top of all the others.

Some would elect not to complete all or some of those steps. ‘Hard work’ is simply one element of the required mix.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2026 16:33

mumumental · 27/10/2026 14:38

I have no idea why the government are removing tariffs on sweets and jam, rather than fruit, vegetables and meat. At least ensure your policy links with your stated aims elsewhere, eg reducing obesity and improving health.

Agree on that.

MushMonster · 27/10/2026 17:27

Anyone has a good link to the full 100 family favourites?
My phine just keeps sending me to the same Independant article, which only lists a few.

MushMonster · 27/10/2026 17:28

Anyone has a good link to the full 100 family favourites?
My phone just keeps sending me to the same Independant article, which only lists a few.

MushMonster · 27/10/2026 17:31

I think they will reduce import taxes, so not reducing it at this stage for meat and veggies or some fruits may not be convenient to support UK farmers? Just an idea, I have not realky checked it.
It would be great if fruit not produced in UK could have this reduction, indeed!